[SNEAKS]

I am having a hard time on choosing between the glock23 and the springfieldxd 40. I have shot both and have done well with both of them. I have heard from a few people that the spingfield is finicky with ammo and the glock would be more reliable. Any comments or suggestion on either would be helpful.

[Kor]

As the owner of a Glock 23 and an XD9 Tactical, I don't see where they get this thing about the Springfield being finicky - unless they thought you were referring to one of the Springfield 1911-design pistols, and didn't know any better. My XD9 Tac has run perfectly so far(bought used, approx. 400 rds fired by me).

However, based upon objective standards, I'd give the nod to the G23 IF you're bent on having the gun in .40S&W:

- Both guns are the same length in the slide, but the XD Service Model is about 1/2" longer in the butt, while...
- The XD only holds 12rds in full-capacity mags, versus 13rds for the G23.

If you're willing to get the gun in 9mm, the XD achieves parity in magazine capacity(15rds for each gun), and actually gains 1rd with the newest-generation magazines.

And anyways, you may find the balance being tipped by more subjective considerations towards the XD(i.e. grip size/angle, ambi-mag release, trigger-pull, etc.) or towards the Glock(track record, superior metal treatment[Tenifer], easier detail-stripping and parts replacement, etc.) - but that will depend upon yourself as the shooter, rather than any sort of objective standard of measure.

[ugaarguy]

Here's my quick comparison.

Finish: Glock (except for the XD 45 with the new finish)
Trigger: XD, except that it can heat up on extended range sessions.
Ergos: XD.
Parts: Glock, Springfield won't sell even basic spares to the public.
Track Record: Glock.
Price: New - XD, but its losing ground; Used - Glock, tons of used ones almost always available at low prices

[10-Ring]

Go Glock!

[cyanide]

I like Glocks but they don't "feel" good in my hand.

So ................ Springfield.

[hpg]

GLOCK-nuff said. hpg

[Captain America]

Glock. Tough, no frills, great engineering and a lot of people hate perfection. ;)

[MTMilitiaman]

Glock--simple, durable, reliable.

The Glock has a shorter trigger reset and a lower bore axis, which makes controlling the pistol and getting off 2 or 3 round strings easier. People will say it doesn't make much of a difference, but I can keep up with my brother and his 1911 .45 with my Glock 20. That means I am shooting full power 10mm as fast as he can shoot standard ball in a .45. I am pretty sure is the way the Glock sits slightly lower in the hand, the grip angle, and the width of the grip distributing recoil over a larger part of the hand. Little things like that which make the Glock, to me at least, easier and more comfortable to shoot. The .40 has a reputation for being snappy, esp in compact pistols, so you may appreciate these advantages as well.

The Glock currently has the better metal treatment, and its finish isn't bad either. If a part breaks in a Glock, you can buy a replacement factory part or possibly a better aftermarket peice, detail the pistol, and install it yourself. Glocks are really the only pistol comparible to the 1911 in this respect, and like Browning's famous creation, the Glock has achieved a level of popularity and has been street proven enough that if something goes wrong with it, there is probably someone within rock throwing distance that knows how to fix it.

And finally, the Glock is the same price or a little less around here.

[Ala Dan]

XD for all the right reasons~!:cool:

1) Steel Sights
2) Loaded Chamber Indicator
3) Cocking Indicator
4) Ambi Magazine Release
5) Grip Safety
6) Stainless Steel Magazines
7) Steel Guide Rod
8) 1911 Grip Angle
9) Better Price
10) Excellent Customer Service

Do I need to show more reasons~?:D

[MTMilitiaman]

XD for all the right reasons~!

1) Steel Sights

If metal is so important to you, why are you getting a polymer framed pistol to begin with?

2) Loaded Chamber Indicator

Dude you moron...the Glock has a loaded chamber indicator.

3) Cocking Indicator

Yep :rolleyes:

4) Ambi Magazine Release

The Glock's magazine release is nearly identical to the 1911's, which has satisfied a good many southpaws. I had a USP with an ambi mag release but it never made me faster because the fastest way to get the mag out of the pistol is and remains to pull the shooting hand index finger off the trigger and push the button. It doesn't matter if there is a button on the other side because it probably isn't going to get used very much. Brag all you want but that is the truth.

5) Grip Safety

The grip safety is retarded. John Moses Browning himself didn't even want the grip safety on the 1911. So again, whatever :rolleyes:

6) Stainless Steel Magazines
7) Steel Guide Rod

Again, if metal is so important to you, why do you have a polymer framed pistol? Besides which, Glock mags have a stainless steel liner, and around here, you can buy a stainless steel aftermarket guide rod for your Glock and still not spend more than the XD.

8) 1911 Grip Angle

There is nothing wrong with the Glock grip angle. More Americans just grew up with the 1911 and feel it is more natural. Many shooters who don't have such handicaps actually feel the Glock grip angle is superior. I shot a good deal of pistols with the grip angle of the 1911 and still found the Glock pointed more instinctively for me. So again, this is pretty subjective.

9) Better Price

Not around here. XDs are running about $50 more than Glocks here.

10) Excellent Customer Service

How do you know this? I can't comment cause I have never had to use Glock's customer service ;)

Do I need to show more reasons~?

Yep. Looks like you're fresh out of reasons...

[Ala Dan]

Greeting's All-

Yup, I owned several Glocks over the years; lets see, a G-17, G-23,
and a G-27. You're right, some people just LUV them Glock's. But, if
one were to bump the front sight of his/her Glock against a very hard
surface; chances are the front sight would break off. I've seen this
many times over, DUDE~! I haven't seen a XD with a broken front
sight, yet.

As to the loaded chamber indicator, yes you can look into the breach
and visually inspect to make sure a round is in the chamber; but why
not look (or feel) the piece of metal that protrudes ever so slightly
from the top of an XD slide?

Now to the best part, cocking indicator~! You must have the only
Glock I've ever heard of with a cocking indicator (ha:D ha:D ha:D )
At least, the XD's cocking indicator is visible too the naked eye.:cool:

Ambi-mag release: Like you said, this is a feature I really don't need;
unless of course, I'm practicing the "wounded shooter technique" that
you probably don't know anything about. And, stainless steel magazines
"drop free" EVERYTIME~!

Price- here in the southeastern part of GOD's country, a basic XD in
9m/m or .40 S&W black with all the GEAR accessory's runs $459.88;
bi-tone $489.88. With .45 ACP's, all black and GEAR at $489.88, bi-
tone and black tactical at $519.88. Bi-tone tactical is $539.88. As
compared to a basic, black Glock in 9m/m and .40S&W $499.88; and
a G-21 runs $519.88. With the Glocks, you get a NIB gun, extra mag,
mag loader, cable lock, plastic case, and paperwork. Mighty little
for the price they command.:(

Grip angle: "XD's shoot where you point" - NATURALLY:D 'nuff said.

As to why I own a polymer pistol: I felt that the Springfield XD series
of polymer pistols offer a combination of the best polymer technology
in the business. The Croatians took the best of H&K, SIG, and Glock
and combined those qualities into a "service type pistol". And YES,
the 4" Springfield XD .45 ACP is the only polymer pistol that
I own.

As to Springfield's warranty: I have NEVER needed it on my personal
firearms; but I talk too Debbie in customer service every week about
any potential problems with Springfield Firearms. And you know what?
There are NO problems being reported from the XD line~!:D

[MTMilitiaman]

I've had my Glock go clattering down the railroad tracks. Finish and sights are still in tact. I've seen a video of a guy dragging his Glock 21 behind his truck on the pavement. Guess what--sights were still in tact.

On my Glock, the extractor protrudes from the slide when a round is loaded, providing a visual/tactile reference that the pistol is loaded. I never said mine had a cocking indicator. If the pistol is loaded, I know it is cocked. Regardless, I pull the slide back 1/2 an inch or so to visually confirm the pistol is loaded every time I pick up the pistol anyways, so I know the pistol is cocked. I don't rely on gizmos as a crutch or an excuse for poor or unsafe firearms handling. The cocking indicator is, then, of little or no use or practical utility. Hence the :rolleyes: If I needed levers and switches to tell me if my gun is safe, loaded, or cocked, I'd get a XD. I don't, so I have a Glock.

If I was practicing wounded shooter technique, I'd manipulate the mag release with my weak side thumb, just like nearly every right handed shooter has done with the 1911 for nearly a century. Strong side, shooting index finger. Weak side, shooting thumb. Not difficult. Any beef you have with the mag release on the Glock you share with the 1911 and several other proven designs, which people have been shooting in either hand for decades without complaints. Sorry, you lose again.

I've never seen a Glock mag fail to drop free, loaded or unloaded, unless it was designed to do so. The vast majority of the magazines on the American market are FML, and thus designed to drop free, and they do so, the first time, every time, without exception, ever. It's called gravity.

XD runs about $550 here, with Gen III Glocks running about $500.

Glocks point more instinctively for me than the XD. This is subjective. Neither pistol has a better grip angle than the other except on individual case-by-case basis as determined by the specific shooter.

And finally--like a customer service rep is going to divulge to a satisfied customer why other customers aren't satisfied :rolleyes:

[Ala Dan]

Or how 'bout GLOCK'S unsupported chamber resulting in many .40 caliber KA-BOOMS read about right here on The High Road.:eek: :neener:

Sorry, YOU loose again~!:banghead:

[MTMilitiaman]

"I loose [sic] again?" DOH!

Unsupported chambers. Kbs. HAHAHA...now you're reaching. Of the thousands of .40s in service, a fraction of a percent have ever had Kbs, and the largest portion of those have been proven to be reloads or resulting from weak case head of earlier Federal brass.

When in doubt, just grasp at exagerated internet rumors...gotcha :banghead:

Anyways, I don't doubt the XD is a good pistol. But any of the advantages it holds over the Glock are likely to be relative, whereas the Glock's advantages are engineered and as such more definite. For example, some may prefer the grip of either the Glock or the XD, and it will be very difficult to record which is actually better, whereas the reduced muzzle flip of the Glock can be scientifically documented and confirmed. An XD will never be as simple as the Glock, and thus though it may be well built, probability dictates that with more parts, it has more parts to break. How good a trigger pull is tends to vary in the opinions of those who use it, but the shorter trigger reset of the Glock can again be shown and confirmed. By all means, if XDs make your wheels go round, shoot XDs. But don't for one second think they render the Glock obsolete or even offer an concrete advantages over it.

[Ala Dan]

Hey pal, I NEVER said I didn't like Glock's. As I did say, I've owned three
and I can't recall ever having a bad experience with either. However, I
did find the sub-compact G-27 much too my liking; as I could shoot it
really well. Times, and money woe's dictated that I sell it to relieve a
burden of stress. Now, times are much better; and too be honest I've
just not taken the time to replace the little G-27. Someday soon that
may occur; at least I hope so~!:) In the meantime, enjoy your Glocks,
and I will enjoy (among other's); my Springer XD .45ACP.:D

[dhoomonyou]

GLOCK.

[Nail Shooter]

Quote:
8) 1911 Grip Angle

There is nothing wrong with the Glock grip angle.......


You mean pointing too high is not a problem?¿:rolleyes: That being said, I shoot Glocks fairly well--just have to concentrate more because of that particular design screw up.

As to the original question--NEITHER. Go either 9mm or 45acp. That would make it a G19, or perhaps a G30. :D

NS

[zao]

get the smith and wesson M&P .40

[SNEAKS]

So I went to the local gun store and bought a XD45 4''. I was thinking of a 40 but changed my mind at the last second. Over the last few days I have talked to several people who own both GLOCKS and SPRINGFIELDS and they had good things to say about both but when I shot the XD45 I fell in love with it and had to get one. Thanks for all the input and advice. I am now the proud owner of a XD45 , GP100 , and a S&W37 square butt.:)

[ugaarguy]

when I shot the XD45 I fell in love with it and had to get one.

And that is all that matters, that YOU are happy with YOUR gun. Congrats on the new piece.

[MTMilitiaman]

Thanks for all the input and advice. I am now the proud owner of a XD45 , GP100 , and a S&W37 square butt.

Congrats. More Glocks for me, I guess.

Speaking of which, why is a square butt a bad thing on a Glock but a good thing on a S&W :confused:

[SNEAKS]

From what I understand the S&W 37 J-Frame with the square butt is more rare or harder to find.The round butts are very common.

[Busta Prima]

Congrats on your new XD-45, Sneaks. I bought one a month ago and fell in love instantly and that's without even getting to shoot it first!

The net can be a source of good info, provided it comes from a lot of people AND a lot of sources. The positive feedback on the XD-45 was overwhelming and I went with it and they were all dead on about how good it is!

Anyway, I'm just a little curious as to how you started out considering a G23 and ended up with an XD-45. To me those are apples and deck screws. I'm not a big fan of the G23 (I had a 2nd generation and sold it) but the one thing I did love about it was the size. What a perfect sized gun. It's a full size below a "service" sized pistol (like that XD-45 and the XD-40). You probably should have been considering a G22 or G21 because THAT compares with the XD-40 and XD-45 a lot closer.

So my point is you should still be looking at the G23!!! I tried to replace it but still have not. The only thing that comes close in size and firepower is the HK USP Compact. The sub-compact XD's are ungainly (okay . . . BUTT UGLY), IMO. IMI makes a nice size compact 40 but you have to pinch the slide with tweezers . . . As much as I didn't like my G23 for other reasons, it doesn't have much competition . . .except maybe for the G19, which I'm now considering! I'm also considering going back to the G23 because of the generation 3 improvements but I'm torn between that and the HK USP Compact . . . so I'm waiting for the SW MP40 Compact!!!

THAT'S THE SOLUTION! BUY THEM ALL!!

:neener:

[venerable yorgi]

Glad you like the XD45.
Myself, I find that Glocks annoy the heck out of me. Ugly guns, thick slides, lousy grip angle that makes me shoot high unless I concentrate.
however..... I carry on a daily basis, and what I carry is a Glock 23. The finish is just about unrustable, reliability is about as close to 100% as I have seen. (the gun has never jammed but there is always a first time), and the accuracy of my particular Glock is phenomenal. I have hit bowling pins at 100yards with this gun. Its not as clunky as the XD, has lots of holsters made for it, and is one of the few guns that I trust completely if something bad happens. 1911 and Glock, everything else is a clone or derivative.

[Ala Dan]

Congrat's on your purchase of the Springer XD~!:cool:

You're gonna LOVE that gun~!:D

[fastbolt]

Congrats.

Personal preference is important. So is personal confidence based upon your comfort and abilities with any particular platform & caliber ... as long as it's a well-founded confidence, of course.;)

As far as my preferences when it comes to the earlier mentioned G23 & XD40?

Well, after shooting examples of each long enough to form an opinion of how they perform ... and, more importantly, feel ... in my hands, I still prefer my 4013TSW. I knew I liked the 4013TSW when I bought one a few years ago, albeit while looking for an earlier 4013, and I like my issued 4013TSW. Night sights and Hogue wrap-around finger groove grips make it handle and shoot almost as well as my previously favored 6906. Just a bit more snap. ;)

Enjoy your new pistol safely and responsibly. :D