[Deadman]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32383


Judge Dredd would be proud. :p

[El Tejon]

134 pound 12 year old!!!:eek: Sorry, deputy, you shouldn't stop her but encourage her walking.

That's a lot of lard on a 12 year old. Too much fried alligator?

[FPrice]

Unfortunately I have seen WAY too many out-of-control teen-agers to include females to have much sympathy for her. Even if you don't think jay-walking is much of an offense.

[Mark Tyson]

I find it disturbing that officers these days seem to be very willing to reach for the pepper spray as if it's some kind of knock out phaser. Pepper spray doesn't always work, even if you spray paint the guy with it.

[mussi]

I'm not really skinny, but then I only weigh a mere 5 pounds more than this lady. In other words, my BMI is at 21, while this girl's BMI is probably more towards 31, or translated again - if she would land in a frying pan, it wouldn't hurt her for a certain moment.

And anti-jaywalking legislation isn't enforced here - if a car drivers hits such a person, the car driver doesn't have a lot of legal problems. However, we don't give them a medal yet for freeing the gene pool of unworthy specimens.

[Hkmp5sd]

The really alarming thing about this is the 12 year old girl's attitude toward a police officer. When I was 12, I would have been petrified to be stopped by a LEO, even though I grew up with the children of several local cops and knew many of them.

This girl had no respect for the LEO or obeying laws and lawful orders. This isn't something a 12 year old does automatically. It is a learned attitude. Looks like she could use some real friends and/or parents.

[Coronach]

Welcome to my world.

Based upon that rather sparse report, sounds like he did exactly what he should have done. I've seen young teenage girls punch cops, and one kicked out an officer's tooth in a wrestling match. Officers are leery to run up the use of force continuum quick enough, because they're young, and they're girls. That attitude will get you in a pretty funny altercation very quickly.

Funny- to your coworkers, and afterwards. ;)

Mike

[TarpleyG]

My wife started teaching at an "A" rated (what a joke) middle school here in Broward a few months ago so the stories have been filing in since.

These little brats really need some sort of supervision at home. It's sad that the world has gotten the way it has. I blame only the blantant negligence of parents not being parents but instead opting to be thier kid's friend. The parents of these children are so quick to blame someone/something else. These kids are HAVING SEX already for crying out loud!!!! Hell, I was just starting to be able to even look at girls in sixth and seventh grade. I never considered touching them.

I grew up with such mixed emotions about my parents as I am sure a lot of you here have. I hated them one day and wanted them dead and loved them the next and cringed at the tought of them suddenly being gone.

They were strict. Not controlling or mean. Just strict. I had to do my homework and no Ds or Fs were allowed. If I got an F on my report card, I was grounded until the next report card with no going outside the fence, no TV, no radio, no video games or computers, and no phone calls. I could read all the books I wanted. If I smarted off, I got popped by my Dad or got the belt when he got home. Guess what? I learned real quick that making Fs and smarting off weren't in my best interest.

Anyway, I guess I went OT a little but this just burns my butt. My parents taught me that you don't mess with the police, that they should be respected, especially by children.

The little chickie got what she deserved IMO.

GT

[Justin]

http://www.dqfad.com/images/cartman0.gif What evah! What evah! I do what I want!

[dustind]

but Oprah always says "its not the parents fault, its society." I think it was Oprah, i dont watch the show.:banghead:

[Sergeant Bob]

I don't think he should have pepper sprayed the little cretin. He should have slapped her stupid, but I guess someone had already beat him to it!;)

[Azrael256]

At first I thought he overreacted, but after reading the whole report, I would have done the same. It sounds a lot worse than it really is.

[pittspilot]

They were strict. Not controlling or mean. Just strict. I had to do my homework and no Ds or Fs were allowed. If I got an F on my report card, I was grounded until the next report card with no going outside the fence, no TV, no radio, no video games or computers, and no phone calls. I could read all the books I wanted. If I smarted off, I got popped by my Dad or got the belt when he got home. Guess what? I learned real quick that making Fs and smarting off weren't in my best interest.

It is amazing what kids will say nowadays.

My Daughter is part of a T-Ball team, and some of the things these young kids will say to adults is amazing. They will be incredibly disrespectful.

My father loved me, but he had zero tolerance for disrespect. To backtalk one of his friends, my teachers, relatives or my mother was to invite draconian counter measures. What is curious is that those counter measures rarely occurred. It only took once for me to recognize that this was a line in the sand not worth crossing. From then on, it was apparent that I was to express myself courteously to adults when I was a child.

Now days dealing with your children strictly is liable to incur the wrath of child protective services.

[coonan357]

did anyones parents threaten to knock your head off and make you carry it like a football???? mine did ... and also the Bill cosby joke of I brought you into this world I'll Take you out and MIght replace you ...:D :rolleyes:

[Hkmp5sd]

did anyones parents threaten to knock your head off

Yep. Not only that, my parents practiced double jeopardy. If we got into trouble at school, friends house or some other location (back when schools/neighbors/relatives used paddles/switches/belts), we would get another dose once we got home.

[Tim Burke]

There's no doubt that the brat was wrong. Be that as it may, I'm not convinced it's appropriate to OC a 12 year old girl who is trying to walk away from a jaywalking ticket. Middle schoolers don't usually carry photo ID. If she had just given him a false name that would have been the end of it. If they want to put officers out there in a pointless exercise, I don't care, but, if the exercise is pointless, then they probably don't need to be using force to complete it.

[matis]

I just finished posting to another thread (SILENCE IS GOLDEN) that I didn't trust the police exactly the same as in the days of officer friendly -- and along comes this.

Given the facts as I read them, I'm completely supportive of the cop involved!

This issue is NOT the jaywalking. The issue is her attitude and especially her attitude toward a police officer.

She got what (probably less than) she deserved.

Of course, now her parents will file charges against the officer and here we go again.

That's what I meant in the previous post when I said the job was thankless.

Matis

[Sir Galahad]

Kids these days think they run society. And why is this? Look at every inane law passed "for the children." Kids smoke? Well, it must be the tobacco companies' fault! We better pass a $5 per pack sales tax and punish the ADULTS making ADULT decisions to use tobacco for the actions of kids already breaking the law (it was ALREADY illegal to sell cigarettes to minors and for minors to possess cigarettes.) We have to ban guns, yep, for the children. Some little brats got a hold of an ILLEGAL firearm (as in stolen firearm), so we have to punish all the law-abiding adults instead of holding these kids' feet to the fire and saying if they're ready to do adult crimes, they're ready to face adult punishments instead of getting "counseling" and other assorted state-run hand-holdings masquerading as "justice". You cannot even TALK about teaching firearms safety in school, but you can pass out condoms and let them play sexual Russian roulette. "Well, they're going to do it anyway!" Yeah, especially when parents let their 12 year old daughters dress like prostitutes and listen to music that would make a sailor blush. But, they're going to do it anyway, right? Now there is concern about kids drinking too much soda. So, let's pass a sales tax on soda. Kids are getting "obese" on junk food, so let's regulate fast food. Pass more laws.

Society needs to get back to differentiating between children and adults. That means, kids who try to do adult things they shouldn't get punished accordingly. Counseling? I got your counseling. It's called a paddle. Sexual counseling? Yeah, I got that, too. It's called, you get pregnant, you go to work and support thatchild yourself, even if that means you have to work at Denny's for the rest of your life because you couldn't finish high school. Don't expect the taxpayers to foot the bill for your little pre-adult adventures in ribaldry. You want to smoke? Fine. Don't get caught. And don't hand us this stupid story about how the tobacco companies owe you a million dollars because you decided to start smoking at 12. You want to shoot your classmates? Then don't pull this "I'm just a kid" nonsense when the rest of us want to see you get the death penalty.

:fire:

[Drjones]

Thread over on GT: http://glocktalk.gunserver.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154022&perpage=40&pagenumber=1


That little ______ only got a fraction of what she deserves.

She needs a few good whacks from her parents, some chores, a job, and some time in boot camp.

Kids these days... :rolleyes:

[TheeBadOne]

I can't even imagine what would have happened if the police had brought me home and told my parents I had swore at them, much less cocked my fist and threatened them with violence. I suspect I would have looked pretty funny at lunch time the rest the school year.....eating corn on the cob with no fricking teeth!!!. :banghead:

[surfinUSA]

You should have seen the local news on tv. The parents are outraged. I guess times really have changed.

I hate to think about what would have happened to me or my brothers if :

1. we got in trouble with the police
2. we ended up on tv over it

The pepper spray would have been the best part of the day

[Don Gwinn]

By the time I turned thirteen, I was considerably larger than my father. But I did not disrespect him or anyone else, because in the time leading up to that age he had taught me that only the miserable jerks I didn't like anyway talked that way to adults. Also, as he told me more than once, "I don't care how big you get. There's a boat oar in the garage and you gotta sleep sometime."

But if you've spent a little time working with kids and adolescents recently, you know that's not the norm anymore in some places. In most places, it still is--but the numbers are changing. I work in a very good school, one with lots of funding (relatively) and lots of parental involvement (by today's standards.) But since early March I've been cussed out in two languages, threatened with shooting and stabbing, and Friday a little girl threw an apple at me. I hadn't even spoken to her, but she knew I was walking toward her to ask her to stop throwing it in the air and catching it, so she took the logical step of throwing it at me and running the other way. I didn't know it was an apple at the time, so when it hit the wall and bounced off I automatically stepped on it to stop it, thus spreading apple fragments all over the hallway. Don't think she saw that coming. She sure didn't like picking them up.

I didn't take her to the Principal because she was throwing an apple a few feet in the air and catching it; that would have been a giant overreaction. I took her to the Principal because she was insubordinate, disrespectful, and generally an ill-mannered and foul-mouthed little locker-monkey.

Now, stuff like this has always happened. But she told me, with great confidence, that when I got her to the Principal's office she'd just call her mother and she would no longer be in trouble. She was the second ill-mannered little girl to say that on Friday, by the way. That, to my mind, is the new wrinkle that might explain a difference between today's kids and yesterdays. Children are rude, selfish, manipulative thieves unless they are taught to be something better, and too many are not being taught. They are taught that their feelings are always wonderful, that their instincts are always right, and that they must be true to themselves because they're special and wonderful.

Did I mention that these kids are ten years old?

[BenW]

Now, stuff like this has always happened. But she told me, with great confidence, that when I got her to the Principal's office she'd just call her mother and she would no longer be in trouble.
Ahh how times change. When I was a little kid and was called to the Principal's office, the Principal would (or would make me) call my mom. And it wasn't so mom would take care of those nasty old teachers. And if you would have been there, you would have seen a kid go through every prayer he knew with random wishes of "Please don't pick up... Please don't pick up..." thrown in as the phone rang.

[Drjones]

"I don't care how big you get. There's a boat oar in the garage and you gotta sleep sometime."

She sure didn't like picking them up.

I took her to the Principal because she was insubordinate, disrespectful, and generally an ill-mannered and foul-mouthed little locker-monkey.


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