Why I've decided not everyone should own a gun


May 4, 2003, 03:44 PM
I took the clan to the range last week, and a good time was had by all. But on the way out I noticed that you couldn't find a stop sign, yield sign, or zodiac sign that hadn't been riddled by bullets. Several shots were in the direction of I-40 which was only about 1/2 mile away. One sign I stopped to look at to give a lesson to the offspring. When you looked thru the bullet holes you could see the house and barn in the field beyond. Anyone care to guess which side those folks would vote on gun control? It's all too easy to see how the other side makes it's point. They don't need some loser in camo, shooting up a school yard. All they need is some knuckle draggers with deer rifles shooting everything in sight.

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May 4, 2003, 03:46 PM
Agreed. We're our own, worst enemy.


El Tejon
May 4, 2003, 03:57 PM
Okie, you are not alone. But it is our fault.

Gun culture--police your own! If you see unsafe behaviour point it out. Remember that guy on TFL who actually posted a photo of himself violating Rules #2, 3 and 4? He was shocked that people were pointing out his horrific conduct.

If you see trash on the range, pick it up; don't trash other people's property; shave; put on a clean shirt; behave yourself in general.

Every get a buddy, check him and he checks you.:)

May 4, 2003, 04:11 PM
...please remember that "should not" and "may not" are not synonymous. ;)

(I think there are folks out there that probably shouldn't own cars, dogs, children or burnt-out matches, too... :D )

May 4, 2003, 04:29 PM
hey Tejon , have of the guys I shoot with have hair as long as my Ex wifes ( and it was like crystal gails ) and they all wear rock or harley t-shirts , ( I guess I was the only one who was taught how to button a shirt ) But all these gy=uys except for one have excellent gun handling skillsand would want them on my side , I have seen White collars ( no offense to some of our own ) do so called redneck shooting , so just policing your own should do . no offense taking just sometimes you can't judge a book by it's cover .

El Tejon
May 4, 2003, 04:31 PM
Coonan, very true! Ride a scooter myself. I bet their rides are clean.:D

May 4, 2003, 04:37 PM
one is a cop , and yes there scoots are clean and I have to chase them down when they break . (ahh the next thing to the sound of a 357 magnum is the sound of drag pipes on a big twin harley at speed . ) :D

May 4, 2003, 05:46 PM
Tamara, the difference is that everytime some goofball screws up in a car no one tries to take away yours or mine.

May 4, 2003, 06:00 PM
coonan357: I agree. You can't judge a persons level of competency with weapons (or anything else for that matter) by their personal appearance alone. Personal appearance has nothing to do with whats going on inside the brain housing unit.

Folks need to realize that there are people in this world who choose to be themselves rather than to conform to the trends that society shoves down their throats. In other words, individuality is alot more important than vanity. Being diverse irritates those who are superficial and vain. Besides, only shallow people will judge others based on personal appearance. You need to get to know someone before you can judge them. But even then, opinions will vary. So its best not to judge anyone at all.

May 4, 2003, 06:22 PM
When it became legal to apply for a carry permit, I got to the examining station a little early, having things to do that day, and just as I walked up to the door, a ratty rattly pick-up squealed into the lot and a disreputable replica of Bubba Lee Goodbuddy piled out and came puffing up to the door where I was waiting and began to wail, "I wanted to be first to get my permit in this county!!! You got ahead of me and it ain't fair!! I should have been first!!" etc etc. I became concerned, and offered him my place in line, and he beamed and preened, and commented, "Boy, wait till them dang (racial epithet) hear I'm packing! Boy, we'el take care of them (see above) won't we ?" Until the examining station opened I had to endure a constant stream of such from this congenital defect. I pray to God he didn't get a permit. They are out there -- too many of them.

May 4, 2003, 06:58 PM
Okiecruffler - Don't automatically assume it was one of "us" that shot up the road signs. A couple of years ago, one of the ARF* organizations had an anti-hunting campaign theme something along the lines of "Help Stamp Out Hunting - Shoot A Sign."

winwun - I can't say I had a CHL experience as bad as yours (Thank the Almighty!) but when I took my class, it was thanks to an idiot I didn't get a perfect "250" on the shooting test.

In TX, the 50 round shooting test requires scoring 180 (IIRC) out of a perfect 250 with firing at 3, 5, and 15 yards on a full size silhouette. The test isn't hard, and if you can keep most of your hits in a dinner-plate sized area at 3 and 5 yards, you've already passed. I had one small ragged hole after the 3 & 5 yard shooting . . . when I reeled in the target, I still had one ragged hole, now about the size of my palm, but there was an errant shot in the area of the target's navel. :confused:

So I was scored as a "249." But I found out the woman in the next shooting lane missed her target ENTIRELY about 8 or 9 times. Guess where one of her shots ended up?

She was the same woman whose husband sent her to class - she showed up with a loaded 9mm in her purse, and didn't even know enough about the pistol's operation to clear it!

She still passed with a 188 . . . :uhoh:

* - ARF=Animal Rights Fanatic

Standing Wolf
May 4, 2003, 09:11 PM
I've never shot a sign in my life. I'm sure I never will. If I saw someone shoot a sign, I'd report a crime to the local police.

May 4, 2003, 09:20 PM
Okiecruffler: I know exactly what you mean. I posted not too long ago about some bad experiences I'd had at an outdoor range. Well, at this same range some idiots had blasted the sign with the range rules on it and the windows in the little outhouse style building beside the range. Man, they build a range for people to enjoy and people just shoot everything but the range itself. :banghead:

May 4, 2003, 09:23 PM
You can't justly single out one right and make it contingent, whether that right is the right to vote or the right to keep and bear arms. I sometimes find myself agreeing with Heinlein that citizenship (NOT the RKBA, but the whole ball of wax) should be earned and not given. This isn't so crazy as it sounds. The founding fathers agreed in principle with the idea that not everyone deserved the rights and privilages of citizenship. Here is article IV of the Articles of Confederation:

The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different States in this Union, the free inhabitants of each of these States, paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States; and the people of each State shall free ingress and regress to and from any other State, and shall enjoy therein all the privileges of trade and commerce, subject to the same duties, impositions, and restrictions as the inhabitants thereof respectively, provided that such restrictions shall not extend so far as to prevent the removal of property imported into any State, to any other State, of which the owner is an inhabitant; provided also that no imposition, duties or restriction shall be laid by any State, on the property of the United States, or either of them. (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/artconf.htm)

...paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted...and a short list of selected others?

May 4, 2003, 10:00 PM
We should take it easy, my friends. Other reactive targets are expensive after all :D

Innocent until proven guilty, I say. You get to own firearms until you prove yourself unfit to do so. I detest racial bigots but we still have a first amendment that's just as important as the second. That magnanimous fool mentioned before has every right to say (racial epithet) whenever he pleases AND own firearms. This is America when all is said and done, but I hope if said mentioned fool ever goes after some (racial epithets), they shoot him dead with their own legally owned firearms.

If he wants to alienate himself from other American citizens and prove himself to be a fool at the same time, that is his right. I will never take away his right to bear arms unless he proves he shouldn't have it. Seems like the right attitude to me.

May 5, 2003, 01:23 AM
I have to admit I have shot a STOP sign. I did it one night with a light rain on the edge of a local city. I had THREE city officers present when I did it. They TRIED to shoot the sign as well. (OK so they hit it once)
It was with a paintball gun and rain washed it off. :)

May 5, 2003, 01:28 AM
Remember that guy on TFL who actually posted a photo of himself violating Rules #2, 3 and 4?

What are rules #2, 3, & 4? :confused:

Let me guess, the chamber was loaded, the hammer was cocked back with his finger on the trigger and the gun was pointed at his head :D

May 5, 2003, 08:40 AM
Triggertime, RIGHT ON !!!! YOU 'da MAN!! You are preaching to the choir.

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