SW M&P 9mm versus Beretta PX4 9mm


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foxmoor
July 26, 2006, 05:31 PM
I'm interested in a new 9mm handgun and was interested in both these models. Does anyone have both or shot both and can compare them? The M&P appears to have a longer barrel but is only marginally longer overall, but the PX4 has the rotating barrel. I'm interested in both accuracy and recoil, as this will largely be a range and home defense gun. Thanks.

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gudel
July 26, 2006, 06:50 PM
are these guns comparable to the sig pro 2022?

otomik
July 26, 2006, 08:16 PM
M&P
barrel: 4.25''
sight radius: 6.4'' (striker designs like glock tend to have good sight radius)
recoil factors: lower barrel axis

PX4
barrel: 4''
sight radius: 5.75''
recoil factors: rotating barrel action

capacities and weights are the same, really I'd say it comes down to the trigger, and that's a striker versus hammer or Striker DAO versus TDA thing. Berettas have smooth triggers in general but with long DA pulls. kind of a personal thing, I think you need to do some hands on. Personally I'd get a 90-TWO and a 9mm CX4 carbine to go with it, I'm prejudiced toward Beretta.

zao
July 26, 2006, 09:10 PM
if you're going to get a handgun for home defence, get a larger round than a 9mm. get the S&W MP 40.

Srigs
July 27, 2006, 12:06 AM
My choice between the two is the Smith M&P40. :cool: The 3 grips sizes makes it easy to get it to be right for you.

Sgt Stevo
July 27, 2006, 02:33 AM
I bought a PX-40, I own sig, Glock, detonics, Browning, etc. And like it enough for it to be in my lock box with M_6 light on it. I use it for home defense. It also has manual safety if That is a consideration.

swingset
July 27, 2006, 02:40 AM
I faced that same choice and went with the M&P 9mm.

Felt better, had a better trigger, lower bore axis, nicer sights, grip inserts, etc.

I liked the Beretta, just not more than the M&P.

otomik
July 27, 2006, 07:23 AM
The 3 grips sizes makes it easy to get it to be right for you.
grip inserts
both the PX4 and the M&P have 3 grip interchangable sizes as inserts, so it's not a factor either way.

OH25shooter
July 27, 2006, 10:08 AM
Not being a fan of S&W products, I'd at least look at the Beretta. But, I'd probably buy a Sig.

Shipwreck
July 27, 2006, 10:42 AM
I've shot the PX4 three times now - I don't really care for it - it is "okay," but not something I'd buy.

I prefer the P99 myself. But, betwene those 2, I'd get a M&P.

And, lets not start the caliber wars again - 9mm is fine.

swingset
July 27, 2006, 08:51 PM
Not being a fan of S&W products, I'd at least look at the Beretta. But, I'd probably buy a Sig.

So, between the two, of which you seem to have no experience or knowledge of, you'd opt for a Sig.

Superb contribution to the thread.

So, between Ginger and Marianne, you'd take whom? Mrs. Howell?

MachIVshooter
July 28, 2006, 02:20 AM
I am a big fan of both S&W and Beretta, but for this one I'm gonna have to go with M&P. Better look, better feel. The PX4 feels a little chincy to me; the M&P is solid. Kind of a Camry/Accord vs Intrepid/Bonneville thing; the big domestics just feel more substantial. Same thing with the PX/M&P.

And for those who will turn my analogy into an automotive war, you can't argue that the big domestic sedans just plain drive nicer. And FYI from an auto technician, Jap cars are not better than domestics in any way.
I work in an area where domestics are 4 or 5 to every import, and the shop's work load would suggest that the ratio is much closer.

You can't even compare trucks, since the Asian automakers don't produce real pick-up's.

gudel
July 28, 2006, 02:23 AM
for a second I thought I'm caught in cross fire between the infidels chevy vs nonbelievers ford.
if i have to choose, i think i'd go with the px4.

medmo
July 28, 2006, 03:39 AM
I was dissappointed with my PX4. The DA is long and heavy and it seemed like a Cougar in a plastic framed gun with a new and improved look. I sold it after running a few hundred rounds through it. I own a few 92/96 variants, enjoy them and plan to keep them. I have owned the M&P in 40S&W for a few months, enjoy it and plan on hanging on to it.

OH25shooter
July 28, 2006, 08:52 AM
So, between the two, of which you seem to have no experience or knowledge of, you'd opt for a Sig.

Superb contribution to the thread.

O.K. wise guy. You no nothing about my firearms background, so I'll disregard your stupid crack. To the original poster, I've handled/fired the S&W, Beretta, Glock, Sig and more. My answer stands, I'd buy a Sig.

swingset
July 28, 2006, 01:50 PM
O.K. wise guy. You no nothing about my firearms background

Of course I don't, because a: I don't have god-like powers of introspection and b: all I could possibly know about you is what you post....which happened not to be your stunning resume but instead a worthless outcry about your disdain for everything but Sig.

The question wasn't "which gun other than these two do you prefer?", it was between two specific models and implied that someone would have experience handling or shooting both.

If you would like to contribute to the knowledge of this forum, then by all means.....impress us with your knowledge of these two weapons.

Sgt Stevo
July 28, 2006, 02:17 PM
The Px4 trigger is long and nasty. But, it is supposed to break in after awhile. I think, they are so comparable. It is a hard call. And I like smiths. I only own one, a 686 my Uncle Johnny took and keeps at his place. But the quality is great on ther guns. I think you should shoot them side by side and the one you hit best with is the winner. Or buy a glock 34 and be done with it.
I hate the way mine looke. But over 7,000 rounds no failures, and I can hit with it. And I am a fair shot at best.

Be well. Stevo.......

OH25shooter
July 28, 2006, 03:10 PM
Not being a fan of S&W products, I'd at least look at the Beretta. But, I'd probably buy a Sig.
swingset,

Are you a S&W employee? Yikes! Watch your blood pressure. Above is my original answer. Help me out here. How did you come to the conclusion: "a worthless outcry about your disdain for everything but Sig."? I simply stated I'm not a fan of S&W products. I never said they were junk, unreliable, etc. I own a fine, well made, accurate M686 revolver. As you know, (I hope) they have been one of the leading American makers of firearms since the 1852. I carried one on the PD for decades. Qualified expert everytime. My brother was in the market for a new auto to add to his Glock and Springfield. I told him to check Sig, Beretta and even the new S&W model. He ordered the M&P9, but couldn't wait and bought the M&P40 instead. He likes it very much. You're reading something into my post that doesn't exsist. Besides, most of the comments on this forum are not from "gun experts". Myself included. They are opinions. Big difference. It's the internet! You got an email account. You can join. No other requirments necessary. I'll bet some members don't even own a firearm. Others may shoot a couple boxes a year. Hopefully, the person who submitted this post can intelligently decipher the information and make the proper gun purchase. Take the weekend off and enjoy life.

Coronach
July 28, 2006, 03:26 PM
Guys, chill.

On topic:

FWIW, I love S&W revos. I hate S&W autos. However, the M&P is a very atypical autopistol from Smith. If you allow your past experience with the ergonomics of S&W autopistols to prejudice you against the M&P, you're really missing out. Try it and see. It might still not be to your liking, but you would have to admit that it is radically different in hand-feel and ergos than anything they've produced before, and therefor at least worth a look.

I have no experience with the Beretta product.

Mike

atblis
July 28, 2006, 06:37 PM
they're both interesting.

I think I'd try the Beretta just because it has the rotating barrel. This is rather unique. There's a Slovakian pistol coming out that has a rotating barrel that looks neat.

Rotating barrel pistols
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg123-e.htm
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg149-e.htm
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg64-e.htm

There's absolutely nothing wrong with 9mm for HD.

pablo45
July 29, 2006, 07:14 PM
these are both really cool gun's. I plan on getting the px4. The px4 has that cool rotating barrel and come's with nite sight's. Also it is a bit less expensive. Around 500 in my kneck of the wood's. I also have the Sig pro 2022 in 9mm which is a great gun if anyone is interested in getting one i would recomend it.

MachIVshooter
July 30, 2006, 01:47 AM
The px4 has that cool rotating barrel

I think I'd try the Beretta just because it has the rotating barrel

but the PX4 has the rotating barre

recoil factors: rotating barrel action

Good lord, if everyone had been this enthusiastic about the rotating barrels before, we might not have lost hte excellent Cougar series.

I was still waiting for the Inox/wood .45 to come out when they announced that the line would be dropped completely!:cuss: :cuss:

SAG0282
July 30, 2006, 02:05 AM
are these guns comparable to the sig pro 2022?

Yes, and I think the SIG Pro is the best of that triad. I don't have a lot of experience with the M&P outside of a brief range "borrow", but it's a very solid gun. Of the three, it has the best trigger to me. I own both the SIG Pro and Beretta PX4, in 9mm.

The Beretta is still new to me, so I can't really comment on it's trigger yet as it's far from being broken in. At this stage though, the DA pull is nasty. Imprecise, long, and the half-cock stop in between sucks. The SIG Pro has the smoothest OEM DA trigger I've ever experienced.....but alas it's just not as slick as the S&Ws. All of them are amazing pistols, and though the SIG Pro doesn't clearly stand out in any category, to me it's sum of parts is the best. Mine has been in service almost 3 years with +/- 5k through it and it's been absolutely flawless. The thing is robust to a fault and it's been an excellent ownership experience.

If you do end up getting the PX4, I'd get the "G" variant (decocker, no safety) with stealth controls. I plan on doing the conversion ASAP.

otomik
July 30, 2006, 02:46 AM
I was still waiting for the Inox/wood .45 to come out when they announced that the line would be dropped completely! yeah, especially once when they released the CX4 Storm in .45 that takes the same magazines. Magazine compatability with a pistol they just discontinued, good timing on that one.

reminds me of the Eric Cartman school of marketing, "you can't have it! haha!"

Autolycus
July 31, 2006, 08:43 AM
SAGO282

What are stealth controls?

Smurfslayer
July 31, 2006, 01:46 PM
S&W - pretty nice trigger, probably a little better than the PX4 (which I own). Ergos are very comparable with one exception; controls.

The controls are somewhat dictated by the type of pistol we're talking about.

The Beretta is a traditional double action (DA/SA) with either a manual safety or with the low profile controls, decocker only. Mine has been flawless in about 2400-2500 rounds.

The S&W has low profile controls stock, including an ambi slide stop or slide release depending on who you talk to - and I do not comment on it here, other than to make the distinction. It's a striker fired gun whereas the PX4 is a hammer fired model.

The mechanical safety or decock lever of the Beretta is located on the slide, easily reached with average sized hands. The slide release or stop is in the usual place, not ambidextrous.

I have only dry fired the M&P, but would estimate trigger pull at around 6 pounds, ok reset, nothing to brag about, and take up no better or worse than competitors.

I have fired the PX4 quite a bit, and it is very accurate, however the trigger is something to consider. I would estimate the double action on the PX4 to be on the order of 10-11 pounds, very smooth. Single action I would estimate about 4.5 pounds, but, there is a lot of takeup. Even so, I find it easy to make follow up shots.

If you consider the thing on the frame which locks the slide back a slide release, the Beretta has the advantage. If you consider it a slide lock, neither does, but the M&P has low profile controls which could "keep them out of your way" - some shooters have inadvertently 'gripped' the lever in question suppressing the 'last shot hold open' of various semi auto pistols.

One thing the M&P has that the Beretta does not - a magazine safety. Whether you consider this a feature or a bug, it is what it is.

Price wise they are both comparable, with deals to be found on each.

HTH

Blacklabman
July 31, 2006, 06:34 PM
I have shot the PX4 several times. I will echo the opinions, of several here. The DA pull is long and heavy. It also has, a cheap feel to it.

I have never been a fan of S&W autos, until the M&P.

I shot both the 9mm and the .40, before deciding to go with the .40. To be honest, I never have been a fan 9mm for anything except gun games.
The M&P .40 I bought, does not have an IL , nor does it has a magazine disconnect.

I have put 800 rounds though it of various makes of ball and HP. It has been nothing but flawless.
Trigger pull is excellent, grip feels natural(1911'ish), the backstraps are nice, and the Novak sites are great.
Could not be happier with the M&P
I actually like the M&P better, than my P226 and P229

Just wish S&W, would hurry up and make a compact M&P.

SAG0282
July 31, 2006, 11:54 PM
What are stealth controls?

Stealth controls replace the stock decocking/safety levers with ones that fit flush and don't stick out like the OEM parts.

Glockensig
August 1, 2006, 12:58 AM
They Beretta isn't made in .357 so that makes the decision easy for me...

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