[bg]

New laws aimed at back door banishment..How bout the
90 day wait per gun purchase ! >
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/438648p-369565c.html

So how many crimes do you think this nonsense will stop ?

How bout this one..>

The gun registry, which is similar to those for sex offenders, will require anyone convicted of criminal possession of a firearm in the second or third degree to register with the NYPD and report in every six months.

[shooting time]

"ban paint that makes a real gun look like a toy one" I never heard of such a thing .I guess they ain't going to sell any kind of paint there. I guess everyone in NYC has a real gun with a big bright orange barrel.

[Turkey Creek]

It's NYC.- so this surprises anyone?- never been there and never going there so I don't care!

[saltydog]

NYC = POO POO hole. Mass ignorance. Stupidity run rampid. :barf:

[buzz_knox]

"ban paint that makes a real gun look like a toy one" I never heard of such a thing .

I think they are talking about the race guns and custom finishes that tend to make firearms look more like toys in the eyes of some.

[mete]

In NYC and other cities they have found that some paint toy guns to look like real ones and some paint real guns to look like toys !! ..Of course these new laws will have the same effect on crime as all the existing ones -- that is nothing !!

[buzz_knox]

Has the "this is a toy gun" scenario actually occurred? I'd heard it was being made up out of whole cloth just to get more guns banned.

[ChestyP]

about New York City's requirement to make toy guns look like toys with bright orange muzzles and such, but we're seeing an increasing number of incidents nationwide with teens with airsoft guns (most with orange muzzles, frequently painted or taped over) having run-ins with cops.

Neighbors see kids running around with what looks like real guns, make a 9-1-1 "man with a gun" call, and life gets real interesting, especially if it occurs at dusk or after dark. I don't recall reading if anyone has been killed, but I believe there have been some shootings.

[ABTOMAT]

I've read about a couple cases where orange-painted guns were recovered from the homes/cars of crooks. I don't think they'd been used in a crime.

When I was a little kid I'd run around the neighborhood with my freinds shooting toy guns at each other. "Target" lies down for one minute after getting "shot", etc. Very realistic guns, too, in most cases. The toy stores used to have full-scale, wood and metal, cap-firing long guns in the shape of bolt and lever rifles, SxS shotguns, whatever. If I tried that these days I'd probably end up being hauled off by a SWAT team.

[sparx]

but we're seeing an increasing number of incidents nationwide with teens with airsoft guns (most with orange muzzles, frequently painted or taped over) having run-ins with cops.
I've always felt that if someone was stupid enough to commit a crime with a fake gun in an attempt to fool others into believing it was a real gun, then they should get what's really coming to them (punishment or retribution just like if it was a real gun). Goes along with the old saying "Can't do the time, don't do the crime!" wouldn't you say?

But, some people are just way too stupid for even that. No, they think every criminal is just a poor misguided individual that should blame anything and everything on anything and everyone else but themselves, be it drugs or alcohol, poverty, abuse, neighbors, schools and school teachers, counselors, preachers and priests, or heaven forbid, those evil toy guns!

There was this, published in the Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/062606dnmettoyguns.16e6001.html) that made me sick last month...
Mr. Rasansky and other Dallas officials believe banning the sale and display of the fake weapons would help protect children and police. Members of the southern Dallas community group Weed & Seed say the toys have been sold by ice cream truck vendors, at popular bazaars, and in general merchandise dollar stores.

Last week, about a dozen members of the Black Panthers, the Brown Berets and Weed & Seed demonstrated in front of Soul Bazaar on Hatcher Street.

Protesters said owners of the business had removed realistic-looking toy guns from the store's shelves – including some with laser sights – but were now selling to children from under the counter.

Darrin X, chairman of the Dallas Panthers, confronted co-owner Miyun Kang and her 10-year-old son inside the store.

"I warned you about this didn't I?" he said. "We're going to come back today and every day until you stop selling this [expletive] in our neighborhoods."

Ms. Kang said she removed all the offensive toys from her shelves two weeks ago, the first time the Panthers expressed concern about the fake weapons.

"I don't care about them outside my store," she said later. "But when they come inside my store, in my face, in my son's face, I don't want. They need to slow down."

The Rev. Peter Johnson, a member of Weed & Seed, said his group sympathizes with small-business owners, and an anonymous donor has agreed to purchase the inventory from all the small stores in Dallas. Once collected, he said, the toys would be destroyed.

"We don't want to hurt these businesses," he said. "We just want them to stop selling these dangerous guns to our children."

Similar concerns prompted managers of Southwest Center Mall to ask one of its stores, Mr. Defense, to relocate this week. Jack Anderson, a leasing agent for the mall on Camp Wisdom Road, said several patrons were alarmed by the realistic-looking air guns being sold in the small shop.

"What would happen if some kid pulled one of those things on a cop?" he said. "They'd get shot."

A clerk, who said her family runs the store, declined to comment.

Air guns would not be banned under the ordinance being considered in Dallas. Still, City Council member Steve Salazar, chair of the Public Safety Committee, said he and his colleagues "want to send a strong, clear message ... that the council has a concern about this. If this becomes the law, we'll expect people to abide by the law."

But Mike McDaniel, a former 17-year police officer and firearms safety instructor, said politicians should not pass ordinances to make statements or send messages. Laws should be passed only if police plan to vigorously enforce them.

"Do we really want our police going after people for this?" he said. "Pass a resolution if you want to send a message. Don't pass legislation that will be impossible to enforce."

Critics of toy gun restrictions say the laws are usually vague and do little to keep children safe.

"If we really want to protect children, we should keep them away from swimming pools and make them wear bicycle helmets," Mr. McDaniel added. "This is way, way down the list of things that actually put children at risk."
So there's this crowd of "citizens" (judging by their tactics, you can see there are some really quality-grown jerks right here in Dallas, too) that are attempting to force small family-owned shops along with Wal-Mart and other retailers to stop selling these toys, using threats that if they don't stop it voluntarily, they will continue to harass these shop owners, cuss in their faces, use thug-like intimidation and "press for legislation" to do so. Just what we need, another silly law that won't do a dang thing to stop criminals from committing crime, just kids from having some lawful fun playing with their toys.

When I was five I really enjoyed playing with my chrome-plated plastic faux staghorn gripped six shooter cap guns. They were modeled just like the ones in the Westerns I also enjoyed watching. What went wrong?

[gunsmith]

it really is.
We need a great win in scotus so we can visit...:fire:
I am from there and I refuse to visit.

[Standing Wolf]

I used to enjoy New York vacations.

That was quite awhile ago.

[G36-UK]

What really worries me is that my sister and mother are planning a five day holiday there later in the year.

I respect their choices, and I won't argue against them going, but what can they do to stay safe?

[whm1974]

Quote:
"ban paint that makes a real gun look like a toy one" I never heard of such a thing .

I think they are talking about the race guns and custom finishes that tend to make firearms look more like toys in the eyes of some.

They may be talking about DuraCoat. Supposely since people are used to selling "Black" and "Silver" guns, having nonstandered finishes makes guns, even rifles look like something else from a distance.

-Bill