Shot a revolver the other day. Did not like much.


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JesseJames
July 31, 2006, 01:30 PM
It was a double action .22lr revolver.
It felt unbalanced in my hand and the action itself felt cumbersome. Seemed to take forever for the hammer to cock and the cylinder to rotate and the gun to go off. This can only contribute to detrimental accuracy. Which was the result when I shot it compared to a semi-auto that I also shot.
I was surprised. I thought that I would favor the revolver but no. I shot very well with the semi-auto. Even during rapid fire. It felt right in my hand. As the weight was more, in my palm.
Maybe I should try shooting in single-action for the revolver.
Funny thing is I shoot better when I shoot fast. When I take my time to aim I shoot worse. The NRA rangemaster was a little irked that I seemed to just rapid fire the trigger. Probably thinking "He's totally ignoring follow-through! Damn him! That target's going to look like buckshot.". Then he saw my target when I was checking it and looked puzzled.

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Majic
July 31, 2006, 10:14 PM
You have Jesse James for a name and can't shoot a revolver. :p

MCgunner
July 31, 2006, 10:24 PM
With DA, it's all about trigger control. You don't learn over night.

GUNKWAZY
July 31, 2006, 10:24 PM
Nice one Majic :D

By the way, you didn't specify the type of wheel you were pokin' holes with ?
Could you give us that info ?

Jeff (GUNKWAZY)

JesseJames
August 1, 2006, 10:11 AM
:D Hey, my handle is in honor of Jesses James of the Monster Garage. Not the outlaw!

I don't know the brand of the wheelgun but it was a .22lr with like 10 round cylinder. The ejector rod was a pain in the arse. Seemed like it got stuck everytime.

GUNKWAZY
August 1, 2006, 10:55 AM
Sounds like a crappy gun from the get go.
Maybe you need to step up to a real Wheel ?
Don't judge the entire wheelgun family by one bad spoke.
Try another one, if you still don't like it, go back to beeing a bottom feeder.;)

Jeff (GUNKWAZY)

MCgunner
August 1, 2006, 11:00 AM
H&R I'm betting

miko
August 1, 2006, 11:14 AM
22 revolvers are harder to shoot than, say, 38 or 357 revolvers.
I have a 7-shot 686 and 10-shot 617 which look like twins and 22 is harder in several respects.
Same was with a friend's 8-rd J-frame snub in 22 compared to the one in 5-rd 357.

It takes more power for a hammer to reliably set off a rim-fire than a center-fire primer. Also, more rounds in a cylinder mens same action should be accomplished in a shorter pull. Some people who got used to 6-rd 686 hate the feel of 7-rd model.

Still, what seems to take forever and cumbersome the first try may become unnoticeable after even a limited amount of practice.
Heavier/longer trigger pull are not that good for target shooting but they make the revolvers more suitable for real-life SD applications in the hands of someone who is not an expert.

I suggest a lot of dry-fire practice - 5-10 minutes a day for a few weeks, before you shoot real ammo, even 22, again. Get your motor memory tuned up so you could concentrate on your target rather than trigger control.

miko

Deanimator
August 1, 2006, 11:35 AM
With DA, it's all about trigger control. You don't learn over night.
It's a skill acquired with considerable difficulty, but well worth the effort.

Deanimator
August 1, 2006, 11:36 AM
The ejector rod was a pain in the arse. Seemed like it got stuck everytime.

That's often an ammunition issue.

What brand and type of ammunition were you shooting?

JesseJames
August 1, 2006, 11:46 AM
I'm not concerned guys. It wasn't my gun and I don't plan on shooting it anytime again.
I want to check out the Ruger Bisley .45 Colt though. I might even buy one. Ruger is tops in my book.
Oh yeah, the semi-auto was a Ruger Mark III and I loved it.

Dain Bramage
August 1, 2006, 12:44 PM
Recently at the rental range I was comparing .22 revolvers, a Taurus M94 and a Smith & Wesson 617. The Taurus was adequate as a kit gun, and the Smith was reasonably accurate, but the action was not up to their usual standards, and I kept having misfires.

On a lark, I tried their Ruger MkII as a counterpoint to the revolvers. Being more of a wheelgun guy, I didn't expect to like it.

It's been a while since I shot a 'Mark'. It's bigger than you expect a .22 auto to be. Despite some odd bits (like the heel mag release) and the Star Wars blaster styling, I really loved it! The grip angle was good and the trigger was great. Right off, on this rental queen, I shot my best 25 yard group ever.

Next time, at another nearby range, I'm going to compare a MkIII and a Buckmark. They have a couple of 617s I'll use as a counterpoint, to see if the first time was a fluke.

In my opinion, there are no currently made .22 DA revolvers worth buying.

Sunray
August 1, 2006, 02:32 PM
"...felt unbalanced in my hand..." That says it all. That revolver doesn't fit your hand.
"...the action was not up to their usual standards, and I kept having misfires..." More likely the ammo. Mind you, all new firearms need a trigger job and few, if any, rental ranges will go to the expense.

timothy75
August 1, 2006, 02:55 PM
DA shooting is more physical than SA but once you get it down it acctually FEELS good to practice and is a lot of fun once you get the rythem down. You'll also shoot better when you go back to semi's. Its good to be proficient with either platform and you'll be rewarded with a sense of pride once mastered. Shop around for a used S&W 38spl to learn on, those guns come guaranteed with the smoothest DA triggers you've ever felt. Good luck

Lonestar
August 1, 2006, 03:04 PM
.22 rental guns always stink. They are usually the most dirty and abused out of the whole lot.

EddieCoyle
August 1, 2006, 03:52 PM
Oh yeah, the semi-auto was a Ruger Mark III and I loved it.

Yup. I got one and I love it too - right up until I have to clean it.

I also have an old S&W Model 17. If you're going to be up my way (western edge of Middlesex County) PM me - we can go to my range. I'll bring the Model 17 and you'll find out how good a .22 revolver can be. If you want to try a .38, I'll bring a Model 14 - guaranteed to be one of the most accurate handguns you'll ever use.

KIDGLOCK
August 1, 2006, 04:26 PM
Rule #1: Always check the chamber before and after handling a firearm.
Rule #2: NEVER point your gun in anger.
Rule #3: Absolutely no horseplay with firearms.


#1 why ?? see rule #1 below
#2 some one tries to rob me I will be angery and theY will get a gun pointed at them .
#3 Are you talking to a 2 year old ??


The 4 below are the right rules .

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET


If you cant shoot a revolver , you should learn .

Dain Bramage
August 1, 2006, 06:13 PM
"...the action was not up to their usual standards, and I kept having misfires..." More likely the ammo

Maybe. The CCI Minimags in 36g HP didn't choke the Taurus or Ruger.

A dirty gun is probably a good guess. I enjoyed shooting the 617 enough to rent one again.

I'm just not in the market for a 10-shot, L-frame, DA .22. Something like the old model 17s would be nice, though.

Eightball
August 1, 2006, 09:08 PM
Get a good Smith, and you'll be hooked. Revolvers are like beer, women, and just about anything with differing quality levels--try a good one, you'll be hooked. My S&W 620 4" balances perfectly, has a crisp trigger, feels amazing....shooting it for the first time in 2 days. I'm pumped.

Just try a decent one, you won't be sorry.

foghornl
August 2, 2006, 02:53 PM
I have several .22's, and they are ALWAYS way up on the "Fun Gun" list...plus, they are cheap to shoot. :D :D :D :D :D

Got a MK II, and a Convertible Single Six, and a couple of .22 rifles, too. Looks like Ruger has discontinued the SP-101 in .22...Oh, Nubbins. Always meant to get one of those... :(

Nhsport
August 2, 2006, 08:20 PM
The 617s generally need to have the chambers brushed out every 4 or 5 cylinder full of ammo to stay slick.Some dirty type ammo will be worse than others.
A double action revolver will take some time shooting to "learn" the trigger. You will never shoot some strange gun as well as one that you have shot a bunch,every trigger is a little different.
When I was shooting my revolver a bunch when I was shooting 3 or so plate shoots a month (pluss practise)I could shoot much beter groups double action than single action

ScottsGT
August 3, 2006, 01:36 PM
The 4 below are the right rules .

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET, AND WHAT IS BEHIND IT


Modified slightly for any new shooters that might be reading.

peteinct
August 3, 2006, 06:24 PM
And I live in ct. You rev. may have been a poor specimen. My model 66 has a sweet trigger and my new 587 is ok. PM me if you want to meet up sometime. Search on my name and you can find some info about my club.
pete

BluesBear
August 4, 2006, 07:00 AM
If it was an eight shot is could be from a variety of companies.
If it was a nine shot it was more than likely a Harrington & Richardson.
If it was a ten shot it was preobably a Smith & Wesson.

I have a 1979 H&R 999 that I'll put up against anyones revolver when shot single action. In double action it's still pretty dang accurate. The only misfires it ever had is with the .22 rounds I scavage from the range's dud-bucket that already had one firing pin strike on them. (most of those still fire just fine.)

I have found that most .22 duds are a gun problem.

Hammerdown
August 4, 2006, 09:17 AM
It was a double action .22lr revolver.
It felt unbalanced in my hand and the action itself felt cumbersome. Seemed to take forever for the hammer to cock and the cylinder to rotate and the gun to go off. This can only contribute to detrimental accuracy. Which was the result when I shot it compared to a semi-auto that I also shot.

Hello Jesse James
I take it, this was your first attempt at revolver shooting? Unfortunately The caliber you had is known for lead build up and filthy Powder residue, which I am sure you are well aware of. I also see where another responder said that the Rental K-22 he fired had cycling issues, and I have seen but Not fired rental revolver's at local ranges where I live, and ALL have looked horrid and very neglected as far as cleaning and up keep. This will make any revolver suffer if the cleaning gets ignored no matter what brand it is. Another thing is, Most that fire this . 22 ammo also buy in quantity, or grab the Local Walmart specials in Bulk pack that are often Lead bullets as well, and I have found that cheaper ammo, and lead bullets add up to quick leading and cycling problem's along with sticky extraction in the K-22's along with other revolver's. Having a half dozen S&W K-22's I can say that they are without a doubt one of the best built durable revolvers Bar None. 30 Years ago, I started out with my first revolver being a H&R 922. This was a double action . 22 Revolver, and back then I hadn't learned to appreciate top quality, and was buying on a budget that limited my Purchase power to this functional but Cheap made revolver. I had it for a couple of years, until I got the opportunity to fire a friends K-22 Smith & Wesson. That was the turning point in my selection of quality from there forward as well. I swapped out that H&R for a Smith & Wesson K-22, and never looked back. I also found the Old Adage often said, "You get What You Pay For" to ring very true once I stepped up, and Paid the price to own a revolver of this quality and durability, and when I swapped off that H&R quickly learned it was a Low resale revolver, that I Lost money on. Smith & Wesson put many years of research and development into their K-22 Line, to make certain their revolver was one of the best out there. I Slipped once, from the Smith & Wesson line, and Bought a Colt Official Police in a . 22 as well, Although This is a collectible often sought after revolver, I found myself again to only return back to the K-22 as they seem to be temperamental on ammo selection, at least the one I had was, and timing was an issue on some of the early Official Police revolvers so I swapped it off Before I had any issues with it, that could prove costly. Again a purchase of a high demand quality revolver like that Colt netted me the funds to add replacement K-22 to my collection without having to pay any more out of pocket. I have never had a K-22 that did not shoot well, Either in double or single action. The Key to any revolver shooting . 22 Ammo, is owners responsibility of making sure it is cleaned and cleaned good after all shooting. 22 Ammo is perhaps the worse ammo for lead build up and powder residue that I know of. It does not take long to have sticky chambers or cycling problems even with a well built K-22 if Maintenance is neglected and lead starts to build up. This is the reason I shoot Only CCI Brand Mini mags in all my K-22's as well. This Ammo is a little more expensive, but burns as clean as the early Winchester yellow box ammo that is collector status today, hard to find and pricey when found. I shoot only copper plated bullets as well, as this cuts way back on the lead build up in the cylinder, forcing cone, Top strap, and face of the cylinder. I always clean all my K-22's after shooting them, and have no problems with extraction or cycling because of this, much required effort, that often gets over looked. I hope that first attempt with a revolver will not set the pace for you in the future and I would suggest that you shoot a K-22 in place of the one you fired and encountered problems with. If you ask any K-22 owner out there I have not heard any complain, and I believe Smith & Wesson named their revolver the appropriate name as the K-22 Masterpiece. I own a multitude of years in the K-22 line as well, Since the first issue was 1931 and there are plenty of them out there used, and have to say without a doubt they seem to have the smoothest action, fit and function, but the Winner of overall quality would have to go to the Original First edition K-22 fondly named the Outdoorsman. This revolver I have is a Prewar, and they hand fitted the parts back in this era, which makes the world of difference in quality. Today's revolver's all have drop in parts, and although I have the Modern versions of the K-22, None of which are new enough to have M. I. M. part's Yet, they are not as smooth as the Early Prewar editions that were the Start of later K-22 Masterpiece series to follow. I would defiantly shoot a K-22 before making a purchase, as I too was intrigued by Price one time to buy a Ruger Single Six and later replaced that with an SP-101. The Single Six, was a great trail companion, but did not hold a candle to the K-22 revolver on target shooting. The SP-101 was a heavy built revolver, and the action had a lot of creep and was not at all as smooth as any K-22 I have owned. Both Ruger revolver's functioned fine, but did not have the Target appeal or smooth actions of the K-22 Smith & Wesson's I replaced them with. Sadly, I also took a beating on resale of both Ruger's when I swapped them off and this was a learning experience as well. If fit, function, durability eye appeal, and smooth actions are of importance to you, then a K-22 will live up to it's expectations, and Grow in resale value as well. If you Think You Paid Too Much for a used K-22, a few years will Prove they are going up at an alarming rate due to consumer demands.Below are some of my K-22s for your viewing pleasure, that I have kept and updated to over the years, along with the Only Colt revolver I had for a short time. Best regards, Hammerdown

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asknight
August 4, 2006, 04:34 PM
Hammerdown: FYI, my medical insurance doesn't cover mental health care... :neener:

You're causing me a lot of anxiety and lustful desires after looking at those pics.

Excellent photography of exceptional subjects. My hat is off to you, sir!

Cosmoline
August 4, 2006, 04:44 PM
In my experience it can be difficult to get good with double action revolvers in DA mode. But once you do, there's nothing like it. The most difficult of all short guns to work with is the double action short barrel revolver, which is why it's strange to hear it suggested as the best firearm for a beginner.

Hammerdown
August 4, 2006, 04:48 PM
[QUOTE][You're causing me a lot of anxiety and lustful desires after looking at those pics.Excellent photography of exceptional subjects. My hat is off to you, sir!/QUOTE]

Hello asknight
Thanks for the Kind words. It took me 25 Years of swapping and updating to get the ones shown. Anyone can do it, it just takes time and patients.I simply adore the K-22's S&W has made no matter what Vintage they are, and made this recent purchase of a seldom seen Bull Barrel 4" model as well. From what I understand, they made this model 2 Years, and I had not seen one before this, and then changed to the full underlugs that are more common, and one of those will be my next purchase. Hammerdown
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/hammerdown-7/DSCF6771.jpg

MCgunner
August 4, 2006, 04:55 PM
I have found that most .22 duds are a gun problem.

True, sort of. I have a revolver that almost NEVER duds. I have an auto that doesn't fire about 1/4 of the Fed lightening I try to shoot in it. The reason is partly the gun, partly the ammo. CCI fires 100 percent in that gun, but the gun has a very narrow firing pin. Fed lightening is not as consistently primed and that narrow firing pin will dud on it where the fat, round firing pin in my revolver will cap it fine.

So, if you have a gun that gets a dud now and then with cheap ammo, try some higher quality stuff in it. That might cure it.

S&W10mm
August 4, 2006, 05:17 PM
I have NEVER owned or wanted some of the CHEAP 22's MOST are Pure Junk! I come from the days when HR's sold for $29.99 at hardware stores and RG's were $19.99 and you got what you paid For! Most of the HR's I've shot were HORRIBLE and Loose Barrels, Loose Cyl's ECT. And People can pick up scrap ammo off the ground or out of the DUD bucket and say they shoot good? I use real Ammo! Not Found Scrap!

Hammer! WOW! Thats some Beautiful Collection Of S&W 22's! You've added a few since we last shot together. The ones I shot of yours, would Drive Nails at the Indoor Range At Gun City USA! Nothing BETTER than a REAL 22 such as A S&W 17 like mine or my Colt 22 Officers Revolver from the 40's!

And LOVED the looks on peoples faces when you brought them out of your range bag. Even the Ladies were impressed! Like that young HOT one that was talking to your DAD about Guns! She Was REAL Impressed with your Guns!

NOW Thats SOME GUNS!

! Wouldn't trade ONE of my S&W's for ALL HR's or RG's on EARTH!!!

BluesBear
August 5, 2006, 12:49 AM
I can't even force myself to mention Harrington & Richardson and...

BluesBear
August 5, 2006, 12:51 AM
...Rohm (RG) in the same sentence.

They are nowhere even close in the quality chart.

Anyone who's been around revolvers for any length of time would know that.
Tell anyone in the H&R Collectors Associction (no I'm not a member) that all of their guns are junk and they'll laugh you out of the building.

H&R is to revolvers what Lee is to reloading. A less expensive but valuable alternative.
But there are those snobs who believe that the more you spend the smarter you are.


Rohms belong in the recycle furnace with the Clerke Technicorp crap. :barf:

S&W10mm
August 5, 2006, 10:49 PM
Is this why these Great Guns and Company are NO MORE! They went Bankrupt for a reason. They tried to save the Company with The .32 HR Mag. and that put them even futher under. And was Bought out by I Believe, New England Firearms/Marlin in the late 90's maybe 2000?

I don't use or carry CHEAP Guns! I DON'T have To! I have Ivory Grips on My 1st Gen. SAA.'s that are worth more than any Three HR's. I don't carry my Lunch nor will I buy or carry a $75 HR when a Python or A Snubbie N Frame S&W can be bought! And I see all Kinds of HR's at Local Gun Shows Selling for $65-100! I have S&W Pres. Boxes worth more than most HR's.

If you want to talk Quality, lets talk HK's Or Old Colt 1911's Or Berretta's. But NOT HR's, or Ravens or the like!

And I would LAUGH at anyone that told me they Belong to the HR Collector Assc. or the Raven Collectors Assc! NOW THATS FUNNY!:barf: But I guess its true, some people have WAY too much time on thier hands!

But to each thier own. I bet there is a Yugo or Kia Collectors Assc. as well.

Not Me, I'm a Lifetime Member Of The National Corvette Museum And Corvette Collector Assc.!

I've worked Way Too Hard In My Life, NOT To Go For Quality!

asknight
August 6, 2006, 12:07 AM
S&W10mm, I may be a grammar snob, But YOUR Post IS VerY hArd tO READ! What happened to quality education?

S&W10mm
August 6, 2006, 12:20 AM
When I start Grading Threads On A Gun Forum! Boy, I Must Be BORED!

By The Way! 4 Years A UT Knoxville TN. How About Yourself?

Could I Have Typed Slower For The Forum Impared?

Glad You Need To KNOW!

THANKS FOR ASKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ugaarguy
August 6, 2006, 12:24 AM
Is this why these Great Guns and Company are NO MORE! They went Bankrupt for a reason. They tried to save the Company with The .32 HR Mag. and that put them even futher under. And was Bought out by I Believe, New England Firearms/Marlin in the late 90's maybe 2000?

Well lets see, Colt has gone bankrupt several times and been thru several owners over the last couple decades. This same Colt, the original maker of 1911s has become a virtual non player in the market because Kimber and Springfield offered a higher quality product at a better price. The same can be said for Colt AR type rifles as opposed to Bushmaster, DPMS, Armalite, and others. Winchester, in case you didn't know, is no longer in business either. Expensive doesn't always equate to quality. I'm glad you have nice things, but you don't need to flaunt it here; thats just plain rude.

S&W10mm
August 6, 2006, 12:36 AM
What Was I Thinking? Is COLT still making Guns? Is HR?

ugaarguy
August 6, 2006, 12:44 AM
Alright, ENOUGH! My comments in my last post weren't High Road, and neither have any of the comments in the last few posts been High Road. We all need to stop bashing whatever we don't like for whatever reason. We can moderate ourselves and act like adults, or we can let this turn into flame war, have the mods lock the thread, and stop the flow of good advice to the OP.

SNEAKS
August 6, 2006, 04:04 AM
Nice pics Hammerdown.

Hammerdown
August 6, 2006, 10:29 AM
30 Years ago, I started out with my first revolver being a H&R 922. This was a double action . 22 Revolver, and back then I hadn't learned to appreciate top quality, and was buying on a budget that limited my Purchase power to this functional but Cheap made revolver. I had it for a couple of years, until I got the opportunity to fire a friends K-22 Smith & Wesson. That was the turning point in my selection of quality from there forward as well. I swapped out that H&R for a Smith & Wesson K-22, and never looked back. I also found the Old Adage often said, "You get What You Pay For" to ring very true once I stepped up, and Paid the price to own a revolver of this quality and durability, and when I swapped off that H&R quickly learned it was a Low resale revolver, that I Lost money on.


Hi
I am sorry if any Part of my response seemed to Bashing anyone in question here, But It was my intent to "Help" Educate The Thread starter with my years of good durable service from Smith & Wesson's, as it appeared he did not have a Good Positive first experience with the revolver he picked up, and this could set his mind to never own or shoot another, and this sure would be a shame with all the good selections out there, used or New. I Personally Like Smith & Wesson's for "FOUR" good reasons. Durability, availability, Past reputation, and stron resale. I Have Mostly revolver's that are shot often,Not Safe queens even the ones shown are shooter's and have been buying, selling and trying "all Brands" available for past 30 Years. I am Not a guy that goes off a Monthly gun report posted in New's Stand Magazines by a Journalist that is PAID to write it, or Enhance it's future sales, I am a shooter, and a Hand Loader Not a Journalist, and many times my Grammar has been the subject of Intimidation in Past Posts here and abroad that I have had, but that is all right to me, as I also know experience beats book smart in any arena, whether it be Gun's, work, future purchases or my every day walk in life. I can also say, I have had the opportunity to shoot, converse, and Personally get to Know High Road member "S&W 10MM", and this man is very successful Business man, That came from a Modest way of life Early on, and has made his life a success by experience of what he speaks, without being a Bragger of his past achievements or resorting to Punching a clock for the daily 9-5 Blue collar forced way of life most of us are chastised and Forced to do daily, and was helping Jesse James make an educated decision, as He has OWNED a Huge Gun shop, Bought, Sold, Swapped, and STILL own's more gun's than Most of us SEE in a Lifetime, along with had MANY personal phone conversations with Gun Manufactures, while being a gun shop owner of Dozen's of firearm's mentioned here that were NOT a positive result or experience for his customer's of which he valued, and Then actually ATE the price of a bad experience to only gain the trust of his customer's by replacing less than desireable gun's over POOR Quality to Please all involved, and HE Likes and Owns several S&W revolver's, so I Value his opinion Highly on the subject of revolver's or Semi-Auto's and have actually placed calls to him prior to purchasing one, to have him SAVE me from a bad experience, and believe his intent was to Educate the Original thread starter as well, since he appeared new to revolver shooting and had a terrible first experience, and if I was Him would be glad to hear other's Experienced opinion's on products that will not net the resale nor make the grade in durability or customer satisfaction. I Buy shoot and trade off the ones I spoke of, if they do not appeal to me. My response was from personal experiences, and I meant it to help Jesse James, the Original thread starter, select a revolver that would not discourage his future purchases of revolver's as well, as guide him into an educated buying experience of a revolver that will net back the hard earned money he spent for it, should he decide to swap it off later, it will also give back to the Purchaser rather than be a Loss. I wish I had someone with vast revolver Experience tell me what was worth the money, Back when I started buying revolver's and what wasn't through the years, as this would have saved me enough to add at Least dozen More Smith & Wesson's than I have now, that Would have been very collectible and expensive to Purchase today. Smith & Wesson is not a perfect revolver by any means, but they sure have been good to me, along with the company that makes them should I encounter a problem. They also are a sound company, and have been since 1850 should I have a problem, and have built a durable enough revolver to allow me to expand and enjoy the very early Prewar ones with worry of durability, or parts availability issues. I buy mostly Used as well, Not because I am looking to save the cost of new, As I have spent Far more to get a classic collectible S&W than what a new one would cost. Other's feel the very same way, or there would not be so many of them to pick and choose from, and I am sure glad of that when buying used. The new revolver's with all the space age materials do not interest me, and I have had the Air-Lite series, but swapped it off as well, due to not being able to keep the finish on them, and one of this series even had a barrel loosen, that would Not have happened to one of my Pinned old school Smith & Wesson revolver's, and as I stated Smith & Wesson is Not Perfect, but they stood behind that revolver, refinished it and repaired it FREE of charge, and it was a USED one as well which did not matter to a company that cares about their reputation. Some Like the H&R and more moderate priced revolver's, and if I offended any of them from MY Personal experience, I am sorry as my experience was not well with them and I can tell you that, Parts are a big problem to the ones out there, should you need them, and Yes, I have had issues with the moderate priced one's that forced me to part them out, and take a total loss because of this. I do not see myself as a SNOB because I own S&W revolver's, but rather view this as a Seasoned Educated Consumer purchase due to their resale, parts availability, and company repair support from Smith & Wesson is the best so far, and if I am a SNOB, I guess I will be Joined by Many Millions on the ownership of Smith & Wesson's. Paying a high price for a hand gun does not always assure quality or durability as I once bought a very expensive Walther TPH .22 Pocket Pistol. After a few years of constant firing, the trigger return spring broke. I contacted the Walther customer support center, and was disgusted when the service technician responded with "the reason this spring broke was because they were a CHEAP made Pistol". This turned me off, and I did have them send a new spring and they DID charge me $2.98 for it. I installed that spring as soon as it showed up, and someone else Now owns that cheap made Walther, that cost me in excess of $450.00 when I purchased it. It was replaced with a classic Smith & Wesson-J-frame chief, carried daily, with No Issues and if there was, I know Smith & Wesson would not only repair it FREE, but would pay the shipping to & From to do this. I also Hope that service Technician that responded in that manner is out Looking for work as well. That is why I Like Smith & Wesson, and own their products as they CARE about their customer's and repair many that were produced when Other's owned there company through the years without complaint, but still want the general public to Buy from them in the future so they go the distance to make things right, rather than slander the product or force customers to buy other revolvers. I Guess that is why they are STILL in Business since 1850 as they CARE about durable products, New or Used and I will continue to purchase them in the future. In closing, I Hope forum Member Jesse James at least looks at the durable K-22 Line, and better yet Fires one, as I know this will forever change his prior bad revolver experience as accurate as they are will Inspire a purchase and there is enough of these used K-22's out there he can make a purchase for around $300.00-$450.00 range which should not label him as a Snob as I would rather Label him as an educated consumer by what the majority owns and shoot's and I Hope my Past Experience will HELP him in his revolver purchase decision, as that is what forums should be for is to "HELP" member's asking advice or opinions from our past bad choices, or less than desirable purchases Rather than personal attacks and in my Initial response to him, I was speaking of "MY" less than desirable experience & Brief ownership of a H&R model "922" that I LOST money on the resale of it, and did not want to Launch any presonal attacks just share a factual experience on my part That in the end COST me dearly for a uneducated Purchase, of a lower priced and quality revolver. Another good idea Before spending his Hard Earned Money on any Revolver Purchase, would be to ask several other's that have a wide spectrum of revolver brand's currently made or discontinued and what they think of them and the company that made them for over all customer satisfaction of owner ship, as I have YET heard of any K-22 Owners being less than Very Pleased with the durability, fit, function, resale, and Parts availability of a revolver that has not changed all that much in it's 76 Year span, only to GROW In consumer demand and resale value from a Proven successful durable design started way back in 1930. ;) Hammerdown

Hammerdown
August 6, 2006, 10:39 AM
SNEAKS Nice pics Hammerdown. SNEAKS

Hello SNEAKS
Thank you. I started out with a much Lower Pixal Digital camera back about 7 Years ago, and Quickly learned the High the Pixal the clearer and more define the pictures come out. The Camera I use is a Fugica Fine Pix-700 which Now is very outdated, as they change designs often, but it does a good enough Job for me. I find that outside shot's seem to work best when taking pictures of guns, and over cast days will make the gun much sharper. Anyone can learn, and the digital's make it nice as the image is instant, and you can learn without it costing each and every picture, simply by erasing it and trying over again. Get Your Self one, and have a Ball, I really enjoy mine. ;) Hammerdown

Spotted Owl
August 9, 2006, 10:38 PM
Hammerdown,

I appreciate the length and quality of your posts, but they'd be FAR easier to read if you'd break them up into paragraphs with whitespace in between.

Marko Kloos
August 10, 2006, 09:03 AM
When I start Grading Threads On A Gun Forum! Boy, I Must Be BORED!

By The Way! 4 Years A UT Knoxville TN. How About Yourself?

Could I Have Typed Slower For The Forum Impared?

Glad You Need To KNOW!

THANKS FOR ASKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that your major at UT wasn't English.

Harley Quinn
August 13, 2006, 07:06 PM
People bad mouthed Hemmingway when he started writing, same with Jack London. You know he is busy hitting the shift key's :p

Now what about this S&W10mm;
What do you think about the 10mm?

Revolver's are different that is for sure, if you are a SA shooter. Some say the revolver kicks more, some say less.

I have a revolver in 45 with clips, old 1917. My 1911a1 in 45 acp is easier as far as kick.

S&W10mm how is the kick (recoil) with the 10mm? Any thought's on the Glock, mdl. 20 in 10mm?

HQ:)

S&W10mm
August 13, 2006, 08:49 PM
Harley Q:

I LOVE all 10mm's, but in saying that? They are not what they once were. When the 10mm was first introduced, the Norma 10mm round was Fun and Exciting. Kind'a like the S&W 500 Mag. or the S&W 460 of today.

No I'm not compairing them to the 10mm, except the 10mm was a HOT item when introduced and I feel way ahead of its time. But after complaints by the FBI and other LEO's, the 10mm was toned WAY down. I understand that the FBI had ordered a Bunch of 10mm's, but canceled the order after complaints from Female Officers and some Male officers that didn't like or want to deal with the recoil after testing.

Today its not much more than a Hot ,40. But I still enjoy a hard hitting round like a 10mm and a 45acp amoung others.

The GLOCK 20 is a real Favorite of mine, its Fun to shoot, but in a Heavier Gun such as a Colt Delta 1911 or S&W 1066 or 1006 they make for Great Target guns. Because the heft helps to control the Recoil. And I LOVE my S&W 610's because I can shoot 40's or 10mm's, also great choice for target shooting and even hunting if you wish. And the Cream of the Crop, a 3" 610 makes a GREAT Self Defence gun as well.

So if you ever get a chance to own a 10mm in what ever you pick, being a Auto or Revolver, JUMP ON IT! You'll be Glad You Did! They still pack a PUNCH!

I just wish MORE Manf's made 10mm's. We can only wish!

dragongoddess
August 13, 2006, 09:06 PM
Well my H&R does quite well. Its a 9 shot, top break in .22LR with adjustable sights. Another nice revolver is my Taurus in .45LC/.410 with a 6.5 inch barrel. Then of course there is my 1847 Walker.


Oh and BTW I'm quite sure I can shoot a tighter group with my .22 H&R Sportsman @ 25 yards then the rest of you can with your expensive 22's.

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