[dtippie1]

If one were to be in the market for a 9mm autoloader for CCW for say 10% of the time and use at the range for the other 90%. What would be your choice? The Classic Browning Hi-power, CZ, Beretta, Ruger, Sig, Others? Price Range $500 to $800.

[bountyhunter]

I personally like my CZ-85 Combat, especially since it sold new for $425. It's deadly accurate and fun to shoot. The HP is a good concealment weapon because it's small and narrow for the mag capacity it holds. Hate the trigger on it. I really like my Ber 92, and I think a 92D is one of the best service (defense) weapons around. Holds 17 + 1 rounds with standard magazines. Sigs are good guns, kind of expensive I think. My favorite 9mm is a 1911: STI Trojan, but Springfield also makes the 1911 in 9mm. Low recoil, very accurate.

[Snaps]

I like the Smith & Wesson SW99 for around $500. I've only shot one a couple times but I liked it. Only thing is I like to have hammers on them.

[MikeJ]

Hello,
First choice would be the Sig 239 at about $550. It is great for concealed carry and is a great shooter as well, although some people find the grip too small for their hand. I also like the CZ compact, about $400. The Hi Power is great if you like SA type actions, around $600. I have a Beretta 92D Centurion that I love but it is too big for concealed carry in my opinion. Mike

[Devonai]

I love my Beretta 92G Centurion, but it is a bit too large for concealed carry during the summer months. I used to have a Sig 239 9mm for that, but I switched to the 239 .40. Now I can't hit worth beans with the Sig, I'm starting to think I should have stayed with the 9mm. I have a lot of practice in front of me :uhoh:

If you buy a Beretta, I imagine you'll carry it a lot more than 10% of the time!

[Handy]

If I was planning on carrying very little, I would focus more on craftsmanship and accuracy. Weight, finish, capacity and carry mode would take more of a backseat.

A metal full sized gun with a great reputation for the above would be my first choice. BHP, blued CZ, Sig (see other Sig 220 thread), maybe something a little more rare or different. But if you want something primarily for the pleasure of shooting, accuracy, sights, trigger are your big items.

My favorite range/carry pistols are some older HKs; a P7 and a P9S. They cost me $700 and $650, respectively. Absurdly accurate. Along those lines, browse the "most accurate service 9mm" thread for ideas.

[cratz2]

A $700 P7 would be an excellent choice... if you find one.

I carry a Kahr P9 Covert. Compact... lightweight. Accurate and reliable so far.

I'd also consider looking for something like a Colt Commander or Combat Commander in 9mm for $500 and have a smith work his magic to make sure it runs right.

[cool45auto]

dtippie1: First welcome to THR!:D

Now go get yourself a Beretta and stop this foolishness!:D
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[Jiml3]

My choice would be new: CZ- PCR compact. About $420. new.
Also excellent choices in the used market would be S&W 3913, very compact holds 8 + 1, or the 6906 which holds 12 + 1.
Lots of them around at under $500. and find one not abused and it's a keeper. All three are traditional double action.

[10-Ring]

I would recommend a HK USPc 9.

[David S]

Walther P99...........hands down.............thats the best in 9mm................now if you want the best CCW, get a PPk or a PP

[benEzra]

Smith & Wesson 3913 or 3913LS.

[makarov]

Another vote for the CZ-85 Combat. Mine is blue. Accurate enough that the adjustable sights are actually useful. Hi-Caps are cheap for it too!

[Berg01]

Sig P225 or P228 would both be good combo CCW and range guns, and I would also agree with previous comments on the CZ 85 Combat, although because of the fact that the CZ 85 Combat has adjustable sights and ambi slide stops & safeties, which might not carry so well, the 75BD would be a good alternative. The 75BD has a decocker lever instead of a manual safety, which I personally prefer for a CCW gun.

[caz223]

I'd get a sig (Whichever feels best to you, 239, 2009, or one of many others) or a H&K USP compact.
All have different manual of arms.
All of the above can double as bullseye pistols.
The CZ 75/85 are a little big to carry.
The compact models from CZ might fill the bill.
It might take a little shooting to work the bugs out of a CZ, but they are of excellent design, and are of adequate accuracy.
The S&W chief special is worth a try, too.
I shot a CS9 at the range, and came away impressed.
Any number of nines currently on the market are worth a look.
Basically, I'd get a SIG, H&K, or S&W CS9.
All are about $600 at the toy stores that I go to.
I'd steer clear of taurus, S&W (Other than the chief's special series) and glock. Glocks are kind of a bad first gun.
The beretta L series 92 might be worth a look, too.

[MJRW]

caz,

While your point is valid and I agree that glock's are not necessarily good for a new shooter, he didn't say he was a new shooter.

If you're not a new shooter, I shall be the first to chime in with GLOCK. Specifically the Glock 19. Oh yeah. Just a few ounces in weight, but tons of fun to shoot.

[doublebarrel]

I used to think the same, that new shooter should steer clear of Glocks. But after some time now, I kinda think it might be the best choice for a newbie. Well, the problem with Glocks is that, they don't have any safety at all (I don't call that funky trigger thing a safety, and firing pin block is not a safety in my book, though it's very very important and useful). A safety is, I think, something prevent you from firing the gun, when trigger is pulled.

For a new person, if he/she learns it the right way from very begining, not to rely on manual safeties, and keep his/her finger out of the trigger hole at all time till they want to fire, wouldn't that be a good thing?:)

[caz223]

Glocks aren't bad guns, never said they were.
I wouldn't trade my G20 for anything.
Maybe I didn't say what I meant correctly.
How about this?
There are better guns for new shooters.
Sounds like he definately knows what class of gun he wants, strangely, a glock wasn't in his original list.
A glaring omission? Hardly.
If a Glock was what he wanted, he wouldn't have asked what he should get.
Glocks are almost a category to themselves, a DAO, yet with the short pull of a single action, no mechanical safety, no decocker, no hammer, a fairly unique manual of arms.
Sounds like (to me, anyway.) that he has decided that glocks are better left to others, unless they were an amazing write-in vote, which I notice they are not.
Nothing wrong with that.
Glocks are good guns, if a Glock is what you want, buy it.
If Glocks are what you want, you kinda know it, maybe a Zen thing. Maybe it's in the water.
But once you have a Glock, other guns will feel strange to you, and if you like more conventional guns, then Glocks will feel strange to you.
I wouldn't have written a book, but it seems I must project my views better than the protracted paragraph that I wrote earlier.

[355sigfan]

Glocks are great for new shooters. They have a very simple manual of arms. And all shooters no matter what the gun shoudl keep their finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
PAT

[Arub]

A Ruger P95 should come in around $330 to $360, roughly half of you maximum dollar limit. They currently offer a $40 rebate on the Pseries pistols until Sept 30. With the rebate, you could buy a Ruger 9mm and a .40 or .45 and still have money left to buy ammo for the $700.

Rugers are rugged, as accurate as any other service type pistol out there and highly reliable.

Glocks are also an excellent choice. More concealable than the Rugers (G19/G26). They are also highly reliable, rugged and accurate. Cost $500 to $550 NIB.

[mattk]

Of the guns you mentioned I'd go with a BHP

[modifiedbrowning]

Walther P99. If you go a little higher perhaps a P88 or P88 Compact.

[GlocksRock]

Glock 19

[Penforhire]

I bought the P99 and am happy. But... I would consider the Glock just because it also gets you entry into Glock-only shoots, if range competitions are at all in your future.

[DonGlock26]

G-19 or Sig P228/P225

[Covey Rise]

I want inexpensive high capacity mags, and a decent trigger, and inherent accuracy, so forget the Glock and the Walther, 1911 nope, let's see that leaves Beretta, Sig, and Browning HP.

[355sigfan]

Covey Rise
Glock mags for the 17 are the same overall cost as the Sig 226 and Beretta 92 if you know where to look. Its as accurate as the Beretta not quite as much as the sig. It has a good trigger that is the same from first shot to the last. So it makes the requirments layed out. But the Sig, Beretta and BHP are nice weapons as well. Personally I own an example of each and the Glock is my second faviorate behind the 1911.
PAT

[Covey Rise]

Glock drop free hi caps $80

Sig High Cap After Markets Mags $15

Beretta High Cap After Markets Mags $14

These mag prices are right from cdnn, not only that but the triggers on Sigs and Beretta's are much better.

If you like the feel of the GLock good, I don't care for it, the Agrip does make it better, but customizable grip choices on the other guns can really get a good custom fit to your hand.

Thanks,

[BHP9]

Among the vey few Connoisseur's of 9mm owners the question is an easy one to answer. There are only two. Those two being the Original forged frame Browning/FN Highpower and the immortal elite of all 9mm's the Sig Neuhauser P210.

The original Classic High Power was made before circa 1988, after that came horrid abortional changes like passive firing pin safeties and cheap cast frames and internal parts.

Alas even the elite of all 9mm's the Sig-Nuehausen P210 is now being made with junk cast parts.

The real Connoisseur accepts no weapon made of plastic, castings or sheet metal. They have not and never will be synonymous with a quality constructed weapon. Sub-standard parts are not only without aesthetic appeal but have proven down through history to be no where near as rugged as the original hand built forged made weapons.

Its a tough choice between the Original High Power and the Original Sig-Neuhausen with price usually being the only determining factor to the man who accepts nothing less than perfection. These two are the only two that can not only claim perfection in accuracy and workmanship but also in quality of materiels used in construction. Something all the rest are completely lacking in.

[355sigfan]

Glock drop free hi caps $80

Sig High Cap After Markets Mags $15

Beretta High Cap After Markets Mags $14
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Hate to tell you this but the only after market mags worth a darn are Meggars. Most 92 mags go for 45 to 65 bucks. Sig 226 mags are about the same. Non Drop free Glock 17 mags can be had to as low as 50 bucks. SO its about even. Ni matter what gun you get don't buy the $14 mags you will not be happy. Get oem mags
PAT

[Tacblack]

Beretta 92 G Elite

[emann]

Sig P239.

[jacketch]

New or old it would still be a P35 High Power!