cobra arms derringer any good?


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megatronrules
August 3, 2006, 07:08 PM
I was thinking about getting one of these in .38 special as a back up gun or just something to mess around with,anyone here know anything about these as far as quality goes? How do they compare to say american derringer quality wise? Thanks for any input on this guys.

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orangeninja
August 3, 2006, 07:37 PM
Bond Arms makes the best......I don't know squat about Cobra but am interested in what others have to say.

Ron James
August 3, 2006, 11:02 PM
I've owned a couple of Davis derringers ( same gun under Cobra ), They are not bad little guns but you get what you pay for. I have never shot mine enought to wear one out but they are cheap metal guns. They have a good warrenty and parts are easy to get from Cobra. The little 38 makes a dandy snake gun loaded with snake shot. However acurate they are not. Across a card table you can hit a man sized target, but don't expect to hit him between the eyes. They are really " belly guns".

hoppinglark
September 4, 2006, 12:32 AM
I have a Cobra Derringer in .32 ACP but I have not fired it yet, because I believe it would blow up in my hand.
I plan to either sell it to a pawn shop (possible guilt factor)
or fill it with J.B. Weld and use it as a paper weight.

RyanM
September 4, 2006, 01:35 AM
For a backup, you'd be better served by a small auto or a snubnose revolver. Better ergonomics, safer to carry, more shots.

weregunner
September 4, 2006, 02:58 AM
32,9mm. ,38 and larger calibers in revolvers and semi autos are a much better pick.Safety as well as possibly needing more shots are good reasons to rethink your choice.Recoil in a derringer of that weight is also a factor.Try out many examples of both types and see what best meets your needs.There are good points for both revolver and semi autos.Revolver use has less details for right then and there use.Autos bring are a little more training intensive,but anyone can learn easily.Revolvers have a double action trigger for most shooting for most circumstances.Autos have a different trigger type.I'll let others go into more detail.Good luck.

Dienekes
September 4, 2006, 05:26 PM
They had a display at the NRA convention in Milwaukee in May. My wife is interested in these things so we looked them over. I thought they were junk, and presumably they brought their good stuff.

As a kid I had a .22LR that wasn't too bad--at least it always went bang and was still working when I traded it off. I later got a Hy Hunter one in .357 that was miserable with full loads and at least bearable (but not fun) with .38 Specials. However it kept breaking lockwork parts and I finally put it into a shadow box about 25 years ago where it still resides. IMHO that is the proper place for it and others of its kind. The only derringer I would have around would be one of the old High Standard ones and they are appreciating fast. Derringers are toys and most of them are not very good toys at that.

Any decent police trade-in gun of any kind would be a far better investment and more useful, anyway you look at it.

usmccpl
September 4, 2006, 08:32 PM
Hoppinglark I got one just like yours and the only problem I got with it is that my wife steals it about twice a day.If you want to sell yours let me know I figure with two I should be able to keep one for myself.






one shot one kill

Javelin Man
September 5, 2006, 09:54 PM
I have a Cobra .38 derringer. It's a handful to shoot, especially with the hard trigger which is a safety feature. It takes me two hands just to pull the darn trigger and hold it steady as it shoots.

The novelty wears off quickly and it goes to the safe where it's replaced by my P32 which is thinner, easier to shoot and I have 8 rounds at my disposal.

The derringer does shoot and does not blow up in my hands, but I have a choice of other more efficient weaponry that I can carry.

A .32 derringer is much smaller, easier to conceal and probably much more fun to shoot, though the grip is down to only one finger to hold onto the gun.

Lou22
September 5, 2006, 10:34 PM
You want a very small, light, highly concealable gun, get a Kel-Tec P3AT. I have 2 of them. One was reliable out of the box, the other needed a "Fluff and Buff" (about an hour of your time and a little #400 sandpaper). I got my latest one at Bud's Gun Shop new for $207 plus shipping. A bargain however you look at it.

They aren't accurate at much more than 21 feet, but I bet they'll beat any derringer out there. Plus you get 7 rounds, not 2, of .380.

Lou

CZJedi
September 6, 2006, 11:44 PM
In a word: "crap"

I had one, and the trigger took two hands to squeeze. To make matters worse, after 5 shots the trigger just fell out. I sent it back and the trigger was manageable in terms of weight, but would still fall out at times. I ended up selling it to a gun shop as an "as is" project.

rugerman
September 7, 2006, 01:43 AM
Save your money, or carry a rock. I bought one of their 38's a couple of years ago because I'd always wanted one (bad misteak). The trigger pull was about 20 pounds, if a bad guy was farther away than 5 feet you'd be better off throwing it at him. After 5 shots it would only fire from the bottom barrell. I emailed the company and they told me that they would repair it if I would pay shipping both ways which would cost more than the gun was worth. So now its a paper weight and a reminder not to buy anymore of that company's crap. Better yet buy a cheap baseball bat, easy to use, no misfires. rugerman

nstyn8
May 13, 2008, 12:27 AM
I've used it it several times as just something to goof with. I've had no problems as of yet. Knock on wood. Trigger pull is heavy no accuracy at all as one of the posters said it is a belly gun. Just point and shot hope for the best I probabally won't get another from this company put for a cheap little thing it's fine if you don't mind not being able to hit a target center at 7 yards. But I have fun with it :)

mgregg85
May 13, 2008, 12:33 AM
I'd spend the same amount of money on an NAA mini revolver over one of those cobra derringers.

Five reliable shots of .22 magnum sounds better than maybe 2 shots of 9mm(I believe this is the biggest caliber they make) if it happens to work.

Alan Fud
December 11, 2008, 12:47 AM
Does anybody else make small derringers the size of Cobra but of a better quality? The ones from Bond are much bigger than the Cobra ones especially the .22 and .32 models.

doc2rn
December 11, 2008, 01:24 AM
three letters LCP

RyanM
December 11, 2008, 04:33 AM
Does anybody else make small derringers the size of Cobra but of a better quality? The ones from Bond are much bigger than the Cobra ones especially the .22 and .32 models.

American Derringer Co. derringers are much smaller than Bonds, though I dunno how they compare to Cobras. Problem is, their prices are very high, last I checked.

Scotticus
December 13, 2008, 06:13 PM
I used to have a Davis .38 sp derringer. Extremely heavy trigger pull, horrible accuracy, and very significant recoil. I would not recommend this type derringer in that large of a calliber. I also use to have an American Derringer in .45LC / 2 1/2" .410. MUCH better quality than the Davis. It, too, had significant recoil, but that is apple to oranges due to the caliber. I think an American Derringer in .38 would be fairly reasonable in the recoil department. I traded my AD .45lc/.410 for a Ruger LCP and am very happy with the increased accuracy and capacity.

krs
December 14, 2008, 11:47 AM
I have a .22 Cobra derringer that was given to me as a bonus when I bought my Lew Horton M27-8.

My dealer was giving them out to good customers instead of calendars or mints (his words).

I haven't fired it but it's loaded in my top desk drawer now for lack of knowing what else to do with it. Silly little thing.

jackstinson
December 16, 2008, 10:42 AM
Quite honestly, the Cobra/Davis .38 derringer is large compared to the Cobra/Davis .22/.22mag/.25/.32 derringer frame. For what they provide, the K-T P32 or P3AT are better options for carry (about the same size, lighter, easier to shoot, and carry more rounds).
I have the Davis D-22 and D-32 models. Both of those are on a smaller frame than the .38 "Big Bore" derringer. Both of mine have never given me any trouble...no failures, no parts falling off. The hammer-block safety is solid. Both are far easier to shoot than my NAA Mini-Revolver. Using a two-hand hold on the .32 derringer and thumbing the hammer with my left thumb, I can get off 2 aimed shots in less then 2 seconds and actually hit a plate at 5 yards. Although the lower barrel hits slightly right of the upper barrel. My NAA Mini-Revolver requires a hand repositioning after each shot due to it's minuscule grip. I do carry the Davis D-32 now and then as a backup.
Jack

ufonightowl
January 2, 2009, 03:31 AM
It's good for what I use it for ( NOT TARGET SHOOTING ) C/L Texas.
I have a belt hoster easy to hide.
I have only shot it twice the 38 special does what you expect.
I shot mine at 18'-20' ft. at 3/4" plywood little hole front big hole back side, not bulls eye but 1st shot I was worried 1st time to see it shoot. One hand shot one hand behind the hammer to pertect my eyes. Hit 9" low and 14" to left. Not sure which top or botom barrell. 2dn shot good stedy hand ( as you can with one hand ) 18" to left of bulls eye 1" low. Not bad for size.
It is a hammer cock easy triger pull NOT HARD for sure.
The slide left and right safety is ok.
The guy I got it from said he fired it about 10 times ( so it's new ) not burned out, barrell looks good Kinda ribed like.
It was easy to hold on to. I had consern of it jumping out of my hand, No way. I beleave if a 400# man comming at you would have problems after one shot two for sure.
Never had a Derrinager so can't compare it to other ones. My colt 38 revolver 6" Dub Act is to big and heavy to hide. So this one will work for what I use it for.
Now I have NO WORRIES as to how it shots or dependiable of it.
YOU DO HAVE TO CARRY IT WITH THE SAFETY ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HAMMER SETS ON THE FIREING PIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The break is tilt up not down like I expected.
It does over lap the barrel/chamber to the head ( sets inside of ) (base handel frame ?) so no flair or preasure or anything can come out the back or sides.
Like a six gun ( revolver ) it leaks out between the cylinder and barrel. a cheep relover will spit led out do to line up of the cylinder and barrel (sometimes ) .
So for so good JUST KEEP THE SAFETY ON ALL THE TIME until you need it.
Ride Safe: Shoot Straight: and Vote!
PS:: Get your LICENSE B 4 you can't, they may change the law.

makarovnik
January 3, 2009, 05:50 AM
Not really.

If you want a decent cheap little gun go for a Jimenez JA-22 or JA-25. The .380's and 9mm are hit and miss as far as reliability.

Some also like the Phoenix Arms HP-22. I don't like 'em and sold mine. I like my JA-22 more better.

I would not recommend carrying any of these cheap little striker fired auto-loaders with a round in the chamber.

m43ma1l
January 6, 2009, 12:09 AM
Mine shoots good out to about 2 feet.
It is not my CC choice - but fun to fool with at the range or to use
as a pocket pistol for CAS.

J. Muldoon
July 4, 2009, 05:47 PM
I recently bought a Cobra Arms 9mm derringer. It shoots great, but you must hang on to it.
There is a problem with the firing pins. The bottom one is fine, but the top one does not seem to protrude far enough to give a hard strike. Sort of hit and miss. I hate ammo that has been hit and not fired.

I will probably send it back to the manufacturer to get it fixed. :cuss:

As far as quality of the Cobra Arms derringer and the American Derringer, I find the American Derringer a much higher quality. I have an American Derringer that shoots Colt .45 ammo, and/or .410 shot gun shells. Very smooth and reliable, but again to have to hang on to this critter pretty tight also.

Mul

J. Muldoon
July 4, 2009, 05:52 PM
KRS: Let me know if you want to sell that .22 Derringer.

Mul

junior geezer
July 4, 2009, 06:14 PM
if cobra is indeed "davis," then i do have some experience re the .38 special model. a friend of mine bought one, used, simply because he always wanted a derringer. i've fired it maybe 6-8 times; very uncomfortable recoil. it just plain hurts my hand. very heavy trigger. my friend carries it when hiking with his wife... in case they should be attacked by a bear!

w_houle
July 4, 2009, 06:29 PM
I have a Davis D-38 and fired a box of 50 through it, and had a sore hand for a while over it. I have also fired snake shot through it. Accuracy with bullets is non existent, but accuracy with shot is good. I think that is due to mine being rifled with a magic marker. I like to keep mine in my tackle box with snake shot. I think it would be worthless against people.
I called Cobra Arm and they said it was the same gun, and that all the parts are interchangeable.
I don't have any grudge against cheap guns, but give this one a pass.

Merry4Guns
December 8, 2009, 07:09 PM
Hello All! Wanted to give you all somne quick info on the Cobra Derringers. I currently own 3. I have a .32, 9mm, and .38 Special. I have fired all 3 and they are extremly comfortable. They made be small in stature but they are wieghted so well that there isn't much recoil. My favorite to shoot happens to be the .38 Special. i can garauntee that if you fire it it WILL NOT blow up in your hand. I saw a post from another person that seems to think this will happen. This is simply not true. Some people are ignorant when it comes to handling a firearm. A little word of advice is if you are aimimg at a person sized target, aim for the croch area and it'll hit right around the head area. If anyone else has questions I would be glad to answer them. This girl knows how to shoot! ;)

MICHAEL T
December 8, 2009, 08:54 PM
A little word of advice is if you are aimimg at a person sized target, aim for the crotch area and it'll hit right around the head area.
Your joking right? For the money you spent could have bought a real pistol that hits were you aim.
Your only person that thinks the 38 is "extremly comfortable"

As for this " This girl knows how to shoot!" Maybe but buy a real pistol and welcome to this board

Question Do you work for this company? If not they should hire you Your about only person happy with their purchase .

The Tomcat
December 8, 2009, 08:55 PM
I just purchase a cobra derringer in 9mm. It's cool though I don't know that I will carry it foe defense. I always wanted one and the price was right. Trigger pull is hard, but it's not designed to shoot a more than a few feet anyway. I'll carry it to card games to make me feel old school. :)

sherlocksathome
February 21, 2010, 09:10 AM
I've been following this thread and can't stop smiling over some of the posts I'm reading here. First off, Yes I own a Cobra 38spl. On the trigger pull complaints I suggest while you squeeze the trigger try putting a slight downward pressure on it with your finger (It's a safety feature). This not only make the trigger easier to pull but will increase the guns accuracy.
Secondly the Accuracy. Any gun with a 2.75" barrel will leave something to be desired in the accuracy department. This gun is for self protection in the classical sense, which is at fairly close range. It's not designed for shooting at someone half a block or more away. Then again you're not protecting yourself anymore at that distance either. Thirdly the kick. Who cares? This gun isn't designed for comfort and a leisurely afternoon at the pistol range.
This is a close range only, maintenance free, small gun designed for easy concealment and maximum knockdown power of an attacker/assailant. In Florida we live in tee shirts and shorts for 8 months out of the year. It's just the ticket for me. Would I carry it as a back up if I were a cop? No!
Cops need to worry about long range accuracy. You don't. Home protection is another story too. Since concealment is not an issue and defense laws are different (Defense of Property Rights). The bigger the better. Finally on it's two shot capacity. That's all I need. I don't need to spew 9 rounds and hope to hit something. For all you John Wayne wanna be's out there telling people to "go get a real gun", and feeling that they are above using such a weapon. I say You just don't get it. This gun certainly fills an open gap in the gun market. In closing I suppose that I should state that "No" I don't work for Cobra.

FoMoGo
February 21, 2010, 11:39 AM
Lot of 1st time posters in this thread. :D
For the money there are a LOT of better options.
Shop around.


Jim

DFW1911
February 21, 2010, 12:43 PM
I recently inquired about Derringers in general and thought I'd check them out in person, which I did at the next gun show.

I left without one. For CCW / GUG I was concerned about quality and size. My thinking is that I can get a lot more gun in a slight different configuration, such as a Kel Tec, and I'd be happier.

However, there is something cool about a Derringer, so I'm sure I'll get some that will just keep my other unused guns company in the safe :)

trigun87
February 21, 2010, 01:22 PM
I got a davis one in .32 took it to the range couldnt hit the target at all. It is really a gut gun nothing more, but with what all it takes to shoot it; a knife might be better with an attacker that close to you. I gave it to my mother because she thought it was so cute, I gave it to here with a lecture about not actually using it and just go for the mossy 500.

Gunfighter123
February 21, 2010, 03:53 PM
I used to have a Davis .38 sp derringer. Extremely heavy trigger pull, horrible accuracy, and very significant recoil.

I may have bought your's or maybe you bought mine !!! LOL

IMHO --- I've owned three over the last 20 years { Davis & Cobra } --all have been JUNK. But if the choice was one of them or no gun --- I guess I'd take one {maybe}.
I've owned a .22rf , a .22mag , and a .38Spl. ---- all had VERY BAD triggers { think two fingers to pull } and were not good for more then arms length distance. Add the fact that two of the three broke and needed repair -- not worth the money for them.

As others have said --- the NAA mini-revolvers are built much better and I have more faith in the little 5 shot .22 then in the bigger 2 shot .38 Davis.

ArchAngelCD
February 22, 2010, 06:32 AM
I'm just wondering if everyone who said bad things about the Cobra Derringer in this thread actually owned or fired one? Yes, I know they're no Bond Arms gun but they don't cost $500 either and they aren't as heavy as a brick.

I have a Cobra in .38 Special and have fired at least 200 rounds through it (just for kicks) and it works just fine especially for the price. I also have a double barrel 410 Derringer that's a hoot to shoot!

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sherlocksathome
February 22, 2010, 08:41 AM
Why don't you enlighten the board FoMoGo and tell everyone what they can buy for a $150.00, brand new, that comes with a life time warranty, that's under 4.75 inches in length and under 14 ounces in weight. Replacement barrels for Cobras are $32.95 for all big bore calibers. That means in about 30 seconds I can change barrels and fire .32's, 38spl's, or 9mm's from the same derringer. For another $32.95 I can buy the "longer" barrels too for increased accuracy. Can your "better options out there" do that as well? Just because I'm new here doesn't mean I'm uninformed. As I said before. This is a true personal protection hand gun. Not designed for shootouts or any of that other 007 fantasy stuff kids like to dream about. This is for sticking in a car jackers ribs and pulling the trigger when they're trying to drag you out of your car. If you can't accomplish that with two rounds you shouldn't have a gun because you will only be recklessly endangering the lives of others. If you're realistic about the street conditions in which you can legally use lethal force. This pistol is just fine. I will wait for your list of better options from you or anyone else here. I'll go out and buy what ever you suggest. just remember...Under $150.00, under 14oz in weight, under 4.75 inches long, 38spl, and it must be brand new with a lifetime factory warranty. I would prefer made in the U.S.A like Cobra Derringers but I don't want to make things too difficult for you. I'll run to my local gun shop and place the order within 24 hours of your post. By the way... Slingshots and peashooters don't count LOL!.

sherlocksathome
February 22, 2010, 09:06 AM
Hey gunfighter123, I've also got a NAA mini revolver in 22 long. They make a short, long and a magnum. I prefer the 38 cobra. Go talk to any inner city police veteran or inner city emergency room doctor and ask them what they would rather be shot with. I knew a lot of cops in Chicago when I lived there years ago and "NONE OF THEM" would ever carry a 22 as a back up piece. You need a slug that will put a man down, not just put a hole in him. Aren't there any combat veterans on this thread? I'm also surprised that you would even put a live round under that fifth chamber in the NAA 22. The gun is so tiny that it has to be handled with fingertips only and can be easily dropped by many owners causing an unwanted discharge in any random direction. Before my 38 derringer there was my NAA 22. I always kept an empty chamber under the hammer and will admit that while it is only a 22, it is the best quality and smallest concealable handgun on the market. In the hot and humid tropics shoulder holsters and ankle holsters can't be used for about 7 or 8 months out of the year because we live in shorts and tee shirts. Good Luck

sherlocksathome
February 22, 2010, 09:20 AM
Hey Micheal Tee! So the Cobra 38spl Derringer isn't a real gun eh? Come on over tonight so we can both giggle about it and you can quote more famous lines from Wyatt Earp. Maybe you can cite a few quotes from Curly of the Three Stooges too. Oh and when you do come over.............don't knock on the front door, just come in through the side window. LOL!

Gunfighter123
February 22, 2010, 01:53 PM
I'm also surprised that you would even put a live round under that fifth chamber in the NAA 22. The gun is so tiny that it has to be handled with fingertips only and can be easily dropped by many owners causing an unwanted discharge in any random direction.

Well sherlock , you either didn't read the manual or had a VERY early NAA --- I've owned mine for about 20 years and it has "notches" on the cyld. BETWEEN the chambers where you let the hammer rest --- 100% SAFE to carry with all 5 rds. loaded.

Go talk to any inner city police veteran or inner city emergency room doctor and ask them what they would rather be shot with.

Go talk to ANYONE who has been shot with a .22 and ask them if they would have rather been shot with a bigger round ---- a kill shot is a kill shot. Shoot someone in the eye socket , temple , spine , brain etc. and dead is dead.I've been shot two different times with a .22rf handgun and it was not "fun".

As I said before. This is a true personal protection hand gun. Not designed for shootouts or any of that other 007 fantasy stuff kids like to dream about. This is for sticking in a car jackers ribs and pulling the trigger when they're trying to drag you out of your car.

As is the NAA !!! I tell my wife that when she carries the NAA , that it is for CONTACT DISTANCE ---- to try to stick the gun under the rapeist/muggers CHIN and then pull the trigger.

In the hot and humid tropics shoulder holsters and ankle holsters can't be used for about 7 or 8 months out of the year because we live in shorts and tee shirts. Good Luck

Right now , sitting by me --- I have a Davis .22rf derringer and a NAA .22rf ---- my NAA WILL FIT in a empty Marlboro cigarette box , the Davis WILL NOT. I carry the NAA in the
empty Marlboro cigarette box many times while fishing the Chicago lake front etc. -- can not do that with the Davis.

I knew a lot of cops in Chicago when I lived there years ago and "NONE OF THEM" would ever carry a 22 as a back up piece.

Well , I also do know some Chicago MEG agents and THEY DO carry a NAA when they are in "deep undercover" and as a matter of fact , one also carries his in a empty cig. pack.

As to .38 vs. .22 etc. etc. ----- in the 1950s/late 1960s , more people were killed by the .22rf then any other round. Thats no BS , look it up .

If you do a search of my posts here , you will see I have MANY types of firearms. All the way from custom high dollar 1911s , shotguns , "battle rifles" , 44mag/10mm/357mag/ revolvers, etc. -------- I've also been a high placeing competitor in IPSC, IDPA , 3 Gun ,
and other "action" shooting matches for 25+ years --------- I know a little about firearms and I stand by my statement that I WOULD pick my NAA over my Davis.

Aren't there any combat veterans on this thread? Combat as in Army or combat as in the streets ??? I have already posted this info --- I've been on BOTH SIDES of a trigger being pulled --- does that make me a "combat veteran"???

So the Cobra 38spl Derringer isn't a real gun eh? Come on over tonight so we can both giggle about it and you can quote more famous lines from Wyatt Earp. Maybe you can cite a few quotes from Curly of the Three Stooges too. Oh and when you do come over.............don't knock on the front door, just come in through the side window. LOL!

I just got to LOL at that !!!! Anyone that comes in thru the side window at MY HOUSE will not be greeted by my Davis derringer !!!! That is what I have 12ga. shotguns and 45/10mm handguns for.

In closeing ---- would I rather have a Davis derringer then NO GUN --- YES !!! Would I pick a Davis derringer to protect my life OVER ANY OTHER firearm I own -- NEVER.

duns
February 22, 2010, 03:31 PM
I was thinking about getting one of these in .38 special as a back up gun or just something to mess around with,anyone here know anything about these as far as quality goes? How do they compare to say american derringer quality wise? Thanks for any input on this guys.

I can't think of any circumstance where I would choose this a derringer as a serious back up gun. As a curiosity, just for fun, maybe.

Low Budget Shooter
February 22, 2010, 05:07 PM
Dear THR,

I messed with a Cobra derringer in .38 special for a while. It is inexpensive, it does fire a decent cartridge, it is small. But after practicing with it several times, I decided it was below my threshold for firepower. I sold it and put the $ toward a used lightweight snubby revolver. I am much more pleased with that than I was with the derringer.

LBS

makarovnik
February 22, 2010, 06:03 PM
Not very good.

fireside44
February 22, 2010, 06:17 PM
On the trigger pull complaints I suggest while you squeeze the trigger try putting a slight downward pressure on it with your finger (It's a safety feature).

Trying to use a two finger grip will position your hand so that massive amounts of pressure must be applied to discharge the gun. A one finger grip is the only solution. I think people assume they have a "horrible trigger" because they are gripping using two fingers and therefore don't have their hand situated correctly for proper operation.

I have a .32 H&R and put twenty rounds through it. If you are within ten or fifteen feet I can almost guarantee a COM hit. It ain't a high quality gun, but it functions as it should. The misinformation that spreads even from owners about these guns is overwhelming.

deadeyedan
April 2, 2010, 02:59 AM
I've been very pleased with my 38 Big Bore. I got it used from someone for next to nothing. Turns out a shade tree gunsmith "trigger job" pretty much wrecked it. The sear was ground to nothing and the cam was put in backwards. I called Cobra, explained what happened and they sent me a brand new hammer, trigger for free. (Awesome Service!) The trigger spring was also clipped short by the same "gunsmith" apparently to lighten the pull. The pull was light but it would not lock up consistently. So Cobra sent me a new trigger spring as well. I put everything back together and it works like a charm. Is it as solid as my Ruger? No. Is it better than a rock? Yes. Is it worth what I paid? Absolutely. Will the parts wear down over the years and need to be worked on or replaced? Maybe in 5 or 10 years but with the kind of service and warranty you get from Cobra, you can't go wrong in my opinion UNLESS you don't know he basics of gun function and repair. If that is the case, go ahead and spend twice as much and get something that you won't have to attend to. There is nothing wrong with that. This gun will stop a bad guy in his tracks with a hollow point fired into his ribs. It will kill a snake with my homemade snake shot I make out of crushed rice and hot glue without disturbing the peace in the neighborhood. It fits in my pocket and nobody can see it. If anything ever breaks I can fix it for free.

As I'm typing this I reminded of a friend of mine who bought the cheapest chainsaw he could find for a job a few years back. He took it out last month for a job we were working on together and his didn't work, mine did ...and we have the exact same model but mine is about 5 years older. The difference is that when you buy something cheap, you need to attend to it and be OK with fixing it once in a while. You can't put away a cheap chainsaw like ours with a full tank of gas and full of sawdust and expect it to run perfectly 2 years later. (That's what he did and then he spent a day bitching about "the piece of crap" and lost a full day's productivity in the end.) If he had spent 3x more than and got a Husky or some other brand it may be more forgiving, but for what I/we use it for...no thanks. I'll spend 1/3 the price, take care of it and it will last just as long as anything else out there. The same holds true for this little Cobra Derringer. If you can tune it and take care of it, buy it.

1911Tuner
April 2, 2010, 06:38 AM
All this talk of uncomfortable recoil and heavy triggers and lack of accuracy in a pistol intended for up-close-and-personal, last ditch self defense is amusing.

Of course it kicks. It's light so it can be carried easily. Of course it's not accurate. It's not a target pistol. It has rudimentary sights and a short sight radius. Of course the trigger is heavy. It keeps you from shooting yourself while you cock it in a hurry with only two fingers on the grip.

tsk!

Carl N. Brown
April 2, 2010, 06:57 AM
As I recall my Davis derringer .38.

Trigger pull HEAVY.

From sandbags, double handed grip, at sixty yards one barrel beat an area about a yard in diameter, the other barrel beat an area about a yard in diamter about ten feet higher.

Shooting standing holding with one hand, the tiny grip and heavy trigger pull made hitting anything beyond ten feet difficult.

With .38 Spl snake shot loads, it did a nice pattern at snake close encounter ranges though.

It could be carried where and when a larger gun was not an option.

1911Tuner
April 2, 2010, 08:21 AM
Shooting standing holding with one hand, the tiny grip and heavy trigger pull made hitting anything beyond ten feet difficult.

Yep. That's about twice as far as they're normally used.

Carl...Stand by for a PM. Personal/hometown stuff.

snooperman
April 2, 2010, 09:04 AM
in an airweight, like the 642 and you will be much better off . Load it up with +P ammo and you will not regret it.

FoMoGo
April 2, 2010, 06:49 PM
Why don't you enlighten the board FoMoGo and tell everyone what they can buy for a $150.00, brand new, that comes with a life time warranty, that's under 4.75 inches in length and under 14 ounces in weight. Replacement barrels for Cobras are $32.95 for all big bore calibers. That means in about 30 seconds I can change barrels and fire .32's, 38spl's, or 9mm's from the same derringer. For another $32.95 I can buy the "longer" barrels too for increased accuracy. Can your "better options out there" do that as well? Just because I'm new here doesn't mean I'm uninformed. As I said before. This is a true personal protection hand gun. Not designed for shootouts or any of that other 007 fantasy stuff kids like to dream about. This is for sticking in a car jackers ribs and pulling the trigger when they're trying to drag you out of your car. If you can't accomplish that with two rounds you shouldn't have a gun because you will only be recklessly endangering the lives of others. If you're realistic about the street conditions in which you can legally use lethal force. This pistol is just fine. I will wait for your list of better options from you or anyone else here. I'll go out and buy what ever you suggest. just remember...Under $150.00, under 14oz in weight, under 4.75 inches long, 38spl, and it must be brand new with a lifetime factory warranty. I would prefer made in the U.S.A like Cobra Derringers but I don't want to make things too difficult for you. I'll run to my local gun shop and place the order within 24 hours of your post. By the way... Slingshots and peashooters don't count LOL!
My suggestion...
Put a few more dollars with the cost of that cobra... and buy a used .32 or .38 revolver.
In the range the derringer is designed to be used... a good knife would be acceptable also.
You bring up car jackers... most people I know who carry derringers carry them in their pocket, someone yanks your door open and you will be on the ground or shot/knifed before you can get your gun out.

Will all of the options out there, a derringer isnt a very good one... no matter their cost.
Yea, you may have a $150 new gun... But for a few more $$$, and how much is your life worth, you can get a much better defensive weapon.
I look at guns like I look at motorcycle helmets.
Have a $50 head... wear a $50 helmet.
My small carry revolver cost me $250.
It holds 5 shots and is a .44 bore.
I know... more than 2 shots, kinda James Bond like isnt it. Great for long shoot outs.

Hmmm 5 rapid fire double action shots, with a decent trigger and accuracy, and a quick reload... or 2 single action shots with a cumbersome reload... bad trigger and poor accuracy.

I am pretty sure I chose frugally and wisely.
Not so sure about you.
But hey, you seem pleased... and as long as you dont have to put your life on it... you will more than likely stay that way.


Jim

Low Budget Shooter
April 2, 2010, 07:00 PM
Dear THR,

This is where used Charter Arms revolvers shine. They are even smaller than j-frames (by a little), they typically go for $200-$250 used, and they are MUCH, MUCH better shooters than a derringer.

LBS

SwordRapier
April 2, 2010, 08:59 PM
You know what I have noticed about "The High Road"?

There's always someone who will tell you your gun is a piece of crap. Doesn't matter what gun it is, according to someone it is nothing more than a collection of junk parts that would better serve humanity by being recycled into a birdhouse.

1911Tuner
April 3, 2010, 02:57 PM
You know what I have noticed about "The High Road"?

There's always someone who will tell you your gun is a piece of crap.

Yep...and invariably somebody will start talking about 15-yard accuracy...with a gun intended to be used at arm's length.

*sigh*

FoMoGo
April 3, 2010, 04:40 PM
If the altercation starts off at contact range... but by the time you get your "belly gun" out, the other person has backed off to the 15 yard range... but is still a threat, I think 15 yard accuracy is now a concern. If he can hit you at that range, and you cant hit him... I think there could be a problem.


Jim

1911Tuner
April 3, 2010, 04:52 PM
And the rest of'em always assume that it's going to be a gunfight...with both parties skinnin' their smokewagons and goin' to work in a showdown at high noon thing.

There have been many instances in which a 2-shoot derringer could have made the difference between life and death. The story of "The Onion Field" is one of the better known. A young girl abducted from a parking lot and forced into a trunk is another. Trunk opens. Bang. Rapist is gut-shot. Girl goes home.

But, I guess I'll never convince anybody of the utility and advantages of the simple little derringer...so...

Carry on!

FoMoGo
April 3, 2010, 05:02 PM
I make no assumptions of what is going to happen.
I just try to be prepared for likely scenarios.
Close contact, a gun you can shoot accurately at a distance will work.
Distance, a gun that you have trouble hitting the side of a barn from inside... may not work.
Seems to me that a gun you can hit with at a reasonable distance is a better idea to have with you.
I carry snubbies, but I can hit with them... coffee can size target... at 40 yards.
With stress and the things that come with an adrenaline fueled situation... your accuracy drops badly. Maybe if I practice out to 40... I will be able to hit at 10 or less.
Makes sense to me.


Jim

1911Tuner
April 3, 2010, 06:04 PM
I just try to be prepared for likely scenarios.


Nor do I, but the "likely" scenario is that you won't need a gun at all on a given day.

Outside of law enforcement...for whom a sidearm is mandated...and the rare individual
who finds himself at odds with a gang of hoolligans, etc...very few private citizens have a real or defined need to carry a gun. We carry one because we can and because it comforts us, and because we simply prefer to be armed...and that's reason enough...but an actual need isn't there.

The few people I know who really need to carry most often carry two. Or...as the old saying goes:

"If you need to carry a gun, carry two. If you don't need to carry one...carry one anyway."

FoMoGo
April 3, 2010, 06:45 PM
The few people I know who really need to carry most often carry two. Or...as the old saying goes:

"If you need to carry a gun, carry two. If you don't need to carry one...carry one anyway."
Thats the thought process I go by...
My job puts me in bad areas, and sometimes covering or removing gang turf tags... this makes me less than popular with the local fauna. I just dont like the idea of being in the places I go... doing the things I do... unarmed.

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/72/l_5d208d74b7d94feda856548a0efe6cb4.jpg


Jim

keltex78
April 9, 2010, 03:19 PM
It looks like this is a thread that will never die!:cool:

I have the .22 Mag. Cobra Derringer. I did not buy it for Concealed Carry but for loading with snakeshot for when I'm out fishing. It's not accurate for target shooting but good enough for shooting an aggressive water moccasin that's up close. I don't intend for it to be a typical handgun; this is actually a small, handheld, very lightweight, double-barreled shotgun. For a drop-in-the-pocket woods/fishing gun, I love it.

I bought the .22LR barrel for fun shooting and have actually used it more than I had expected; it has paid for itself vs. shooting the .22 Mag ammuntion. I regularly enjoy taking it out and shooting at cans or whatever kind of junk I can find where I shoot. A box of .22 in a gun that only loads two shells at a time means a long time shooting for cheap.

I have used the .22 Mag derringer for concealed carry but it's not my first choice. I do know that I would feel much better carrying the derringer than no gun at all though.

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/keltex78/Guns/DSCF1343.jpg

The larger bore 9mm/38 spl is high-up on my list of guns to buy next! They are much larger than the .22 model but I like the idea of something that could throw a more reasonably size load of shot vs. the .22.

1911Tuner
April 10, 2010, 09:48 AM
I do know that I would feel much better carrying the derringer than no gun at all though.

And that is precisely the niche that stack-barrel derringers fill. The gun that can be carried most easily by almost anybody. It's flat. It's light. It's compact. It can be had in a serious caliber...and it can be there without a lot of effort.

It's not very accurate...at least not on a practical level...at much more than five or six feet. It doesn't have to be. It's meant to be an emergency life saving tool used at contact range. It has a bad trigger that requires a deliberate effort to pull it because a good trigger would be a liability in a grappling, hand-to-hand fight. A gun to be carried by people who don't really like to carry guns, and would try to avoid trouble at nearly any cost...even running from it if possible...but want to have something at hand besides a rock and a prayer in case they can't avoid it.

It's for people who have no intention of making a stand. People who fight like a cat. A cat normally stings his attacker in order to divert his attention and his efforts in order to gain time to exit the scene. Not interested in winning any battles...all he wants to do is get away and live.

ArchAngelCD
April 14, 2010, 05:22 AM
It's for people who have no intention of making a stand. People who fight like a cat. A cat normally stings his attacker in order to divert his attention and his efforts in order to gain time to exit the scene. Not interested in winning any battles...all he wants to do is get away and live.
That's extremely well stated and I totally agree. Also, like you said in a previous post, "A young girl abducted from a parking lot and forced into a trunk is another. Trunk opens. Bang. Rapist is gut-shot. Girl goes home."

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