Well...I'm convinced. Guns are bad.


August 3, 2006, 07:09 PM

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August 3, 2006, 07:14 PM
And so, apparently, is crack.

August 3, 2006, 07:14 PM
:scrutiny: :uhoh: :banghead: Lol What a waste of 30 seconds.

August 3, 2006, 07:18 PM
He thinks I have a gun and he insults me my calling me a moron - oops what if I am an angry moron? he loses the discussion.permanently.

Eleven Mike
August 3, 2006, 07:28 PM
Wow. I thought he'd make an actual argument at some point.


August 3, 2006, 08:25 PM
Congratulate me...I listened for at least 10 seconds.. or less :D :D

August 3, 2006, 08:35 PM
Regarding Ben -

No one is totally useless, they can always be used as a bad example.

Quote - a sign on my mother's wall dipicting Bill Clinton :neener:

August 3, 2006, 08:55 PM
And... crystal meth.;)

August 3, 2006, 09:08 PM
If owning a gun is agood way to get yourself shot, as this loser claims, then why do so many unarmed people die from violent criminals? Let him have his BS opinion, but it won't change mine. Does having a webcam and a myspace account make you try to be a bigger man? Obviously.

August 3, 2006, 09:10 PM
First kid needed some sleep, 2nd well who knows. If the US was invaded and both faced the enemy, they'd pee their pants and cry for mommy. Ah, what freedom allows is good, they just would not fight for it.:)

August 3, 2006, 09:27 PM
The dude reminds me of the ditsy bimbos in the Miss America pagent parading the cause of world peace, except I don't think he would look nearly as good in a bathing suit. Ugly and stupid. He doesn't have much going for him, so we can all understand why he is angry.

UTNOW's original video isn't bad, except he called a lever action a pump action :banghead:

Still, the message is there. Props to UTNOW, and as for the other guy, may he remind us why we need more meat and less meth in our diets...

August 3, 2006, 09:46 PM
In the words of Uncle Ted "Those who don't like guns are emotionally and spiritually retarded."

August 3, 2006, 09:52 PM
The UTnow guy's message was awesome but it was almost word-for-word exactly like the penn and teller thing on gun control.

Not that I mind because that was excellent too. haha

August 3, 2006, 10:00 PM

...until he started going off on Bush.

He has a point though. For all the talk about the militia, what has the militia done for us lately, eh?

He doesn't quite understand the concept of personal responsibility, though.


August 3, 2006, 10:20 PM
My guns are probably smarter than that little ****

Mine are too, they keep their mouths shut unless I less them otherwise :evil:

August 3, 2006, 10:25 PM
alright too much weed for him

August 3, 2006, 10:32 PM
Ahahahahaha......he didn't even present an argument. He just...stuck words together. He'd have been better off had he just stared into the camera for three minutes.

White Horseradish
August 3, 2006, 10:44 PM
Guys, this is not crack. Crack makes people hyper. This is more like a valium overdose...

August 4, 2006, 04:42 AM
Would this have been better if I had turned on the sound? Remind me to plug in the speakers the next time.

August 4, 2006, 05:03 AM
ok, ive seen threads that were way more on topic than this get closed for lack of point. lets shuterdown. nothing good can come from this thread.

August 4, 2006, 05:29 AM
I give up!

Mongo the Mutterer
August 4, 2006, 05:57 AM
Yup I give up too. World Peace.

I know if I disarm myself there is Kofi Annan and Jan Englund of the UN to watch over me and my family as we are slaughtered.

August 4, 2006, 06:25 AM
The weird part is how he argues in the comments. He claims that 'because he says so', he is immune to violence. :scrutiny:

Also, he feels that if everyone destroyed their guns today, that there would be no more violence... again, :scrutiny:

EVEN if all guns were destroyed, gun violence would not end. The technology in firearms is ancient, and easy enough for just about any high school physics student to reproduce.

This guy has been reading WAY too much philosophy in a college setting, or has been hittin the ole pipe.

August 4, 2006, 06:29 AM
Three simple letters came to my mind when I watched this.... "AFU"

August 4, 2006, 06:32 AM
A classic example of one who fell off his ego and landed on his IQ.

August 4, 2006, 07:20 AM
That guy gives the rest of us named Ben a bad name.

August 4, 2006, 09:17 AM
If you don't have an arguement, cursing works.

Dusty Rusty
August 4, 2006, 09:02 PM
Duh!! What the heck is he on?!?!? Sounds like he got shot with a tranqulizer dart--maybe that's why he's so anti-gun. :)

August 4, 2006, 09:20 PM
yes, this boy is a clever little debater isn't he. his drug habit supports those who kill people everyday and hes whining about guns. smart boy.

August 4, 2006, 09:27 PM
"you don't have machines like that..."
hold on, yeah I do!

August 4, 2006, 10:07 PM
Watch the previous video


August 4, 2006, 11:26 PM
That guy is pretty much an idiot. I mean he really had no plan. It was actually kinda amusing.

Taurus 66
August 5, 2006, 12:07 AM
This child is nothing more than a hard core stoner who has been bought, sold, pimped every day whenever by the UN/Clinton Party. It's really sad too because there are a lot of mental midgets out there in junior highs/senior highs just like him believing cops are the be all end all in keeping law abiders safe from the criminals. You can thank poor parenting and teachers with socialist agendas for his twisted upbringing.

Anthony T.
August 5, 2006, 01:55 AM
The guy never made any reasonable arguments. I can't even understand anything he was talking about. I little punk like that would be better off carrying a gun. He would be easy to mug:) He says simply "its not good", lol.....what a geek! I would'nt have replied if I did'nt have anything sensible to say. He must have been really wasted.

August 5, 2006, 02:09 AM
He claims that 'because he says so', he is immune to violence.

How is he immune to violence?

Also, he feels that if everyone destroyed their guns today, that there would be no more violence... again,

Right, like thugs can't commit violence agaist those weaker then themselfs like they have been doing since the begening of time. All guns do is allow the weak to defend themselfs.

EVEN if all guns were destroyed, gun violence would not end. The technology in firearms is ancient, and easy enough for just about any high school physics student to reproduce.

Ditto for ammo.


August 5, 2006, 02:12 AM
Yeah, he has the worlds worst argument skills. His entire argument is that he is magic, and 'immune to violence' (his words!) because he says so.

He claims to be a Tao (or Dao, I never remember which is which...., or if they are even the same thing ), but I have a feeling that he misunderstands his own philosophy.

The technology in firearms is so rediculously simple that anyone with a decent understanding of physics could make one. Heck, with a little bit of time, I would bet anyone could make a semi/full auto one from scratch.

This guy is a freakin moron (apologies to anyone who gets grouped in with this guy!) and I really really hope he never has to realize how foolish he really is.

Anthony T.
August 5, 2006, 03:02 AM
Yea, lol...he acts like it takes rocket science to build a firearm. He must have seen the Desert Eagle add in a g&a magizine. You guys know the one I'm talking about? :D

August 5, 2006, 03:53 AM
A good hard punch to the face is what that guy needs. Then I would tell him "Guns dont make me feel bigger. Im just bigger because I understand the need for them and enjoy them immensely." :cuss:

August 5, 2006, 01:50 PM
He claims to be a Tao (or Dao, I never remember which is which...., or if they are even the same thing ), but I have a feeling that he misunderstands his own philosophy.

I agree 100%. I have studied Zen and Taoism for quite a while (in fact I studied Wushu from a Taoist monk that moved to the US from the O-mei Shan temple in China) and can tell you that it actually goes against Zen and Taoist belief to villify weapons because to villify something you have to give the object itself a life-like persona. It is the intention and result of human actions that are viewed through moral goggles not the impliment used. If I shot someone in the head with a gun or stubbed someone in the head with a kitchen knife the end result and my intention to cause that result are the same. The impliment used is irrelevant.

Also, look at all of the martial arts forms that are done with weapons. The weapons used in MA forms today are the same weapons that were carried by the military in the old days of china/japan/etc. These weapon forms aren't new. They were around when monks were armed with the same weapons that the military itself carried.

Also, look at Zen and archery. Archery can be a very peaceful and spiritual experience but I guess if you were to listen to this **** from the video all bows would illegal because they are used to kill bambi.

Doug S
August 5, 2006, 02:06 PM
Amazing how so many peace loving liberals seem so violently angry.

August 5, 2006, 05:21 PM
This dolt isn't even concerned about world peace. At the very end of the video it says "buy my record." This is just some pathetic attempt at getting exposure.

Oh and if you are into masochistic acts, listen to the video right below "the dolt" video. It is some UK dude who has the gall to claim that he has slightly MORE FREEDOM than people in the US. He doesn't see how gun control infringes on his rights. He babbles for about 8 minutes.


August 5, 2006, 06:01 PM
I'd say that druggy is just a moron. The British guy was much better, which is no compliment. I couldn't understand half of his ramblings. I enjoyed the video they were replying to though.

August 5, 2006, 08:14 PM
Did you look at the comments page?

Typical behavior. Theoretical scenarios are asked and he completely avoids them by saying they would never happen. Someone uses a real-world personal experience about a carjacking stabbing and he keeps trying to ask "why?" to every subsequent reply rather than facing the current situation.
Why would two people be trying to knife your dad? Why did your uncle have to evict that woman?
Why were they trying to steal his car in the first place?
Why did they stab her? Why didn't you call the police?

He thinks he is completely invincible to crime and that it is somehow brought down upon a person by his/her own personal choices
I am immune to violence and you are crazy to think otherwise.
WHY would you have to suffer a home invasion?
Why would I be being robbed IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Wake up and take me out of your fantasy hallucination!!!!!
Why would someone be about to kill my dad?

There isn't anyone trying to kill my dad - the scenario you outline is absurd.


It was amusing, but I pretty much closed that link after this gem. I know most anti-gun people aren't this nuts, but this has to be the worst case scenario I can think of.

I have achieved a focused enough meditation to abolish the hells from this planet forever.

August 5, 2006, 08:35 PM
His limited vocabulary makes him swear so much......Is he angry because he is high or because he is ignorant?
I would love to see him in a real debate.

August 5, 2006, 08:47 PM
And this is what we all have to look forward too (much more frequently) if drugs are legalized.

Sorry, off topic. It just rubs me wrong to think that some peole believe that it is their right to smoke pot and breed their stupidity, but I my constitutionally protected right to own firearms is s#*t ?

We have words for people like this who have abused drugs to the point where they no longer posess the ability to form rational thoughts...burnouts.

August 5, 2006, 08:58 PM
The Brit clearly belives in the herd mentaility. He basically says that there are so few criminals that your chances of being chosen for attack are low. And that's his justification for not needing a gun.

I prefer the mentality that if a criminal attacks me the chances of someone else getting chosen for attack just got lower by one.

August 5, 2006, 09:06 PM
I'd rather deal with a babbling pothead than a raging drunk.

Anyhow I think this guy is getting way too much attention. Judging from his comments and replies to such, he isn't even an anti-gunner. He is plain nuts.

August 6, 2006, 12:26 AM
I actually made it 1:28 into that lunacy!!!

The gene pool definitely needs some more chlorine. Maybe a shock treatment!!

August 6, 2006, 10:04 AM
Hey, watch it now, Denfoote. I stock pool chemicals, and that shock can damage your hands too. Seriously, I hate hearing these stupid arguements. When a discussion or political issue degenrates into personal attaks with profanity, it shows who the loser is.

August 7, 2006, 06:05 PM
Awright, in the post-text of the video he decries anyone's use of firearms
to make 'em feel 'bigger'.
I'd say politicians and well-protected media types are more likely guilty of this
then I am of owning useful tools. Look at Rosie and Jane Fonda.
I've met Bill and Hillary. They go nowhere without armed thugs.
Real easy for them to be antis... but I digress.
If the young moron doesn't like guns, he's more than welcome to
avoid buying them. Probably safer in the end anyway.

August 7, 2006, 07:52 PM
So... uh, if you... think guns... are, like... good, you, um...

Wait, what was the, uh... the question?

Eleven Mike
August 7, 2006, 10:47 PM
From UTNOW's progun video:The people have the right to keep and bear arms because the people who wrote the Constitution had just fought a two-year-long war against a radical state militia....So they made it a right that the militia could never take away.:confused:

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