NAA Mini Vs. Ballistic gelatin block


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Brass Fetcher
August 3, 2006, 10:54 PM
http://www.brassfetcher.com

Click on '.22lr' on the list of calibers. Covers 6 different loads out of a 1 1/8" mini-revolver. I'm not posting the link itself because I need to get an idea of how many visitors my site gets (only the main page has the counter that I am looking at) - so if you could please go through the main page to get to the test I would greatly appreciate it.

JE223

Here is a pic of a CCI shotshell from the test :

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BluesBear
August 4, 2006, 06:34 AM
Very interesting results.

coach22
August 4, 2006, 10:36 AM
Thank you JE223. Lots of good info. I was interested in seeing your results for the Corbon DPX 38+p. They are in my 49, 442, 640 and the first 2 up in my 340PD, followed by 3 Corbon DPX in 357. I'd like to see your test on those if you ever get a chance to do one. Compared to other loads in both calibers I've tried in the 340, the recoil is the easiest for me to handle in such a light gun. I tried the Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel in both calibers in the 340 and the recoil felt much greater to me. I realize there is a difference in bullet weight of 25 grains in the 38 and 10 grains in the 357, but the DPX is faster and the all copper bullet is supposed to penetrate deeper. I put your site in my favorites and will visit it in the future.
coach22

Brass Fetcher
August 4, 2006, 09:11 PM
coach22,

Thank you for your support. I'm not sure if I understood your post completely, but the .38spec DPXs should be on there as I have tested them out of a .38 snubnose. The .357mag on the other hand... if I had to guess, I would assume that similar expansion would occur with extreme penetration - well past 16". I say this because I have tested one round in this caliber - the expansion was IIRC on par with 9mm, but the penetration was well past 16". Hard to go wrong with a good .357 magnum.

coach22
August 5, 2006, 10:07 AM
JE223
The results for the 38 DPX +p is there. That's the link I clicked on as I'm always looking for more feedback on my load of choice. Maybe one of these days you can do the same test on the DPX 357 magnum in the same barrel length as you did for the 38 (1 & 7/8"). Thanks again.
coach22

Double Naught Spy
August 5, 2006, 10:09 AM
Impact velocities were not recorded for this firearm as all shots were fired from distance of 4" from the face of the block. This distance was decided on because it is typical of the range that this firearm is designed to be used.

I have never seen the 4" aspect mentioned in NAA maerials, so I assume you reached this conclusion based on the 'excellent' sights on the little guns?

I am NOT arguing with you. I have one. I think I do better when I don't try to use the front sight.

MCgunner
August 5, 2006, 02:49 PM
I load my NAA with Federal Lightening. Hope I don't actually have to use it on a human. :rolleyes: I just carry it because it's so freakin' easy to carry and it has come in handy on a few rabbits, one feral dog, and some snakes. It's like a little utility knife, just can't leave it home. :D If my primary ever gave up, I reckon it beats chunkin' rocks. Hopefully I would have found cover by then, though. The reason I use that Federal load is my gun likes it, accurate. I reckon accuracy is far more important than power in a rimfire mini.

Brass Fetcher
August 5, 2006, 08:01 PM
DNS,

The test(s) are really for fun when I do them. Don't worry about arguing:) .Yeah, I know what you mean about the accuracy of the gun (a match trigger would probably be wasted there). I did not know if I could hit the block from any greater distance, with that gun, b/c the block is much smaller than normal and it pays to aim such that the bullet does not veer out of a side of the block.

JE223

sm
August 5, 2006, 08:14 PM
JE223,

Very Nice site! Again I thank you for your time, expense and sharing with us all.

FWIW my carry load for NAA Mini with 1 1/8" bbl most often the 40 gr Win PowerPoint.

Steve

cajun47
September 23, 2009, 10:48 PM
http://www.naaminis.com/bwmm.html

im thinking on buying the 4" barrel one(second pic) in .22lr as backup and for fun. is that a mistake? would a .22 mag be much better for s/d?

m_kirk2001
September 24, 2009, 01:27 AM
im thinking on buying the 4" barrel one(second pic) in .22lr as backup and for fun. is that a mistake? would a .22 mag be much better for s/d?

I have a Mini Revolver with the 1 and 1/8th inch barrel in .22 WRM and the .22LR conversion. I wanted the smallest .22 WRM revolver I could find and that is how I decided on the short barrel.

If I were going to buy another NAA revolver I would buy the Black Widow with the 2" barrel long before I would buy a Mini Master. This link shows a guy hitting balloons at 100' twice in a row (granted not rapid fire): http://www.gunsandgears.tv/movie1.php?file=naa.flv&autoStart=true

With the super short barrel that I have the accuracy is abismal. I am confident on accuracy at distances of about knife fighting range (only slightly sarcastic). Am I happy with my gun? It is not for sale and probably never will be! It was what I wanted and I knew what I was getting into when I bought it. (Still haven't found anybody who is willing to stand in front of it and play the odds that I can't hit them either).

Just for your information, with the super short barrel, I have seen evidence of bullets tumbling/wobbling on the target paper with some ammunition. Obviously the barrel isn't long enough for dependable accuracy. If you go from knife fighting distances to hitting balloons twice in a row by adding 7/8 of an inch in barrel and actual sights, I would do it.

The NAA revolvers are meant to be "real" guns, small, and high quality. If you are looking for a true target pistol the Mini Master isn't the best, if you are looking for an intriguing firearm you might as well get a small NAA. If you want to have a fun, small, mini revolver, that is cheap to shoot (.22LR conversion) and a bit more powerful for SD (.22WRM), and able to hit something accross the room (2" barrel + basic sights)...go with a Black Widow.

NAA Mini Revolvers are AWESOME and I intend to always own one.

P.S. Don't get the adjustable rear sight on the Black Widow if you get one, and if you are even thinking of it...you should probably buy a Black Widow.

BHP FAN
September 24, 2009, 01:56 AM
I have the Companion, in black powder,with a spare cylinder from Cabelas.It's just a great gun,but if I were buying again,it would be the Black Widow,or The Earl.

KBintheSLC
September 24, 2009, 11:38 AM
I've always enjoyed your BrassFetcher website. Thank you for what you do.

cajun47
September 24, 2009, 02:01 PM
but a 4" barrel is better than a 2" right?

m_kirk2001
September 24, 2009, 03:14 PM
A 4" barrel is "better" than a 2" in the sense that the bullet will accelerate longer (develop more energy) and stabilize better (come out spinning faster) and have a longer sight distance (easier to aim)...but...a 2" is "better" because you don't want a gun with a 4" barrel in your shorts pocket if you decided to carry it concealed, the shear "smallness" of a Black Widow is awe inspiring to people you show it to, and again...how accurate of a gun are you needing it to be?

mgkdrgn
September 24, 2009, 07:40 PM
http://www.naaminis.com/bwmm.html

im thinking on buying the 4" barrel one(second pic) in .22lr as backup and for fun. is that a mistake? would a .22 mag be much better for s/d?

Yes, 22mag would be better.

Winchester X solid points will give you 12+ inches of penetration in ballistics gel.

22 mag is more than just a 22lr on steroids.

MCgunner
September 24, 2009, 07:44 PM
You run that site? It's excellent! I refer to it all the time in discussions on gun boards and just for my own education. Thanks for the site, fantastic!

Brass Fetcher
September 24, 2009, 08:18 PM
You're welcome!

It's responses like these that really make the work worthwhile.

John

HeadJunter
October 13, 2010, 09:25 AM
Courtesy of the folks at CorBon, I had the opportunity to fire a CCI Velocitor into ballistic gelatin at the MidAtlantic Tactical Conference (http://www.downrange.tv/blog/first-annual-mid-atlantic-training-conference-huge-success/6387/). The range was 7 feet and the weapon used was a Beretta 21A. Penetration was 17 inches.

This is the recovered bullet.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s91/HeadHunter_album/Pocket%20Pistols/veloccomp.jpg

MCgunner
October 13, 2010, 10:56 AM
Old post, but I've been into NAAs more lately having bought a couple of new ones. Not really a primary, but have been toting the magnum on Sundays of late.

Wow, just checking again with some new perspective on this post, the fed 36 grain at 7.9" and almost exited the gel? that's better than I'd figured. That's my chosen load only due to accuracy, but I'm shooting it out of a 1 5/8" gun and it pushs near 800 fps. I might even get a little more penetration out of it.

Just got a new 2" Black Widow magnum. I'm shooting CCI 40 grain maxi mag from it which is very accurate and always goes bang. It's up over 1000 fps. Be interested in seeing what THAT one does in gel. Didn't see a .22 mag listed.

Brass Fetcher
November 19, 2010, 09:32 PM
Anything is able to be tested in gelatin ... :).

Hoppes Love Potion
November 19, 2010, 11:50 PM
I recently got a Black Widow. It's a bit bigger than the Mini Mag, but it has a larger grip that fits my hand perfectly, usable sights, and the 2" barrel. It also has a more secure cylinder pin latch. And I think it looks better, but that's just personal taste.

The Widow was the perfect size for my needs. Large enough to grip properly and small enough that I don't have to change my wardrobe at all. The stainless steel works perfectly for carry in humid Florida, and at $240 NIB, it was about half the price of some others I considered.

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