[MCgunner]

Had a pack kill my cats a while back. Shot at one to run 'em off not knowing they'd killed my old house cat. Found her out back mowing and then I was POed for sure. These dogs had killed my other cat's kittens, but I was going to have to give 'em away anyway.

They came back not long ago, I heard 'em barking down the street. I grabbed my .22 in the corner of my bedroom. My surviving cat was in the house, heard the barking, and bristled and growled like a friggin' mountain lion. I stepped out on the porch when the lead dog, a brown colored mutt, smallish, came around the driveway. I chambered a round and he took off like a banshee, apparently knew what a rifle was.

Well, this was in the paper today. These, I'm convinced, are the same danged dogs! I'm a couple of miles from the library they speak of. These dogs get around! I know John and glad he got a couple of 'em. I've been waiting for them to show back up so I could maybe torture the things some. That lead dog, be fun to shoot his lower jaw off so he'd starve to death. That's how much hatred I've built up thinking about these animals.

http://www.portlavacawave.com/articles/2006/08/04/news/news01.txt

Stray dogs kill sheep herd

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Friday, August 4, 2006 12:59 PM CDT







By CHARLYN FINN - A pack of dogs killed 13 of a Six Mile resident’s exotic sheep Saturday, July 23. John Kabela lost $6,000 worth of Painted Desert rams in the attack. Kabela, who had the sheep in his pasture on Bauer Road, managed to shoot two of the dogs but the rest escaped.

“These were just small dogs, the largest was not taller than 18 inches,” Kabela said. “They were mostly a reddish-tan color. One of those I shot was a kind of gray color.”

Kabela contacted both the Calhoun County Sheriff’s Department and the Port Lavaca Animal Control office. Animal control officials tracked the dogs to Port Lavaca and found a place where they had been staying behind the Calhoun County Library, about 10 miles from the scene. Some of the dogs were located and had blood on their heads and chests.

Deputies are attempting to locate the rest of the dogs. Sheriff B.B. Browning said the canines did more damage the past Sunday to a county airport metal building used by a remote control airplane club.

“They must have chased some kind of an animal in there and actually bit holes in the building,” Browning said.

Kabela said Painted Desert Sheep grow hair instead of wool. They are sold to exotic game ranches. He said the sheep are rather special due to their multiple coloring.

“They are very docile and not in the least bit aggressive. They can be stressed out simply by being chased,” Kabela said. “They go into shock. After a while they just lay down and die. Out of 22 rams, I lost 13 to the dogs.”

Kabela said his rams did not die from stress but from a vicious attack. He said the sheep suffered many bites and were found with their entrails lying on the ground. They had bites all over their bodies and especially in the region of their heads and necks.

Kabela said he is concerned about the dogs running loose.

“They might attack people, little children,” he said. “My mother is 80-years-old and she lives on Bauer Road by my pasture.”

If the dogs had not killed his rams, Kabela would have sold the hair-bearers in an auction the past weekend. Many of them had reached trophy value, with long horns, he said.

One of the rams killed was four-and-a-half years old and several were one-and-a-half. Kabela is concerned that more of his rams may die due to the stress they experienced.

“I expect to lose more,” he said. “If they survive over the next few days they should be all right.” Kabela said he will continue to raise sheep. He still has some ewes and some young rams.

Browning reminds local residents that the county has a leash law that applies to dogs outside of city limits. Landowners have the right to kill stray dogs on their property.

[Kingcreek]

I love dogs but have no problem with killing ferals or nuisance animals.
However, I have a problem with this statement.
I've been waiting for them to show back up so I could maybe torture the things some. That lead dog, be fun to shoot his lower jaw off so he'd starve to death. That's how much hatred I've built up thinking about these animals.

I sincerely hope you weren't serious.

[MCgunner]

Oh, no, I HATE these animals. I'd like to see 'em suffer. If I could get in proximity to one, I'd beat the ba$%^#d to death, kill 'em slow with my bare hands. They Peed me off when they killed my house cat.

I ain't an animal hater, have owned dogs in the past. I love a good labrador, am a duck hunter, but these animals deserve no mercy. These ain't dogs, they're friggin' devils. They tortured the kittens, I don't mind returning the favor. And, I'd as soon they run off and die behind the library.:fire: :fire: :fire:

From the article:

“They might attack people, little children,” he said. “My mother is 80-years-old and she lives on Bauer Road by my pasture.”

This is no exaggeration. From what I saw of these animals, I think they'd kill anything, including a child. They didn't attack me, because I kicked the crap out of the lead dog when he was runnin' off the porch and when he turned growling, I shot into the ground with my .22 NAA mini to run him off. I wish I had that shot back, I wouldn't put it into the ground. I found my dead cat the next day. That's when I REALLY got mad. At the time, I wasn't real sure it might not be someone's pet, but he ain't and even if he was, I'd be within my rights to kill 'em, slow or fast don't matter to me.

If I get another chance, I won't be placing my shots particularly. I'll be shooting fast so as to hit as many as possible. If a shot is a gut shot, it'll do its job eventually. I'm out to kill maximum number, not particular how much they suffer.

[ID_shooting]

MCGunner

I know you have been around long enough to know what is the "high road" and what isn't so I won't preach to you about humane methods of dispatching ferral pests.

I will say though that this situation is not the fault of the dogs. Some person/people abandond these animals and they were left to thier own devices. They are simply doing what dogs do. I have killed many ferral dogs and cats over the years. I dispatch them with as much care as I do any game animal.

As a side note about these sheep:

"They are sold to exotic game ranches." and "They can be stressed out simply by being chased...They go into shock. After a while they just lay down and die."

Why do I get the vision of some Saturday morning hunting Tv show camo-dressed redneck hiding in a bush waiting for one walk by, jumps out an yells BOO and waits for it to fall over dead.

ROFL, I chuckle just thinking about it.

[countertop]

Its not really the dogs fault they are like they are. Thats just nature taking its course - and the loss of any human companionship.

I've got no problem with putting them down, but as sentient human beings there really is no need to needlessly torture the thing for doing what it does.

[MCgunner]

Oh, I'm just venting my feelings, though if and when I ever get to shoot again, it'll be for speed. I lost my old cat to these devils and I really did love that cat. I'll be trying to hit as many as possible before the split. If I gut shoot 'em and they stick around, I'll finish 'em off and throw 'em in the dumpster next door. I won't be TRYING to torture the things, but I won't worry a lot about crippling one if it means I have time to get another one. I'll just be firing as fast as I see fur in the scope.

I really do consider these things devil dogs, though. They really could hurt someone. I think that animal would have attacked me if I hadn't been so agressive with him and fired a shot to run 'em off.

Why do I get the vision of some Saturday morning hunting Tv show camo-dressed redneck hiding in a bush waiting for one walk by, jumps out an yells BOO and waits for it to fall over dead.

Probably because it is pretty true. I've been on one of these high fence ranches on a cheap meat hog hunt. The friggin' exotics are PETS! They had these muffolon or however you spell it. I saw one coming down a trail and just stood still in my camo. He walked up, sniffed me, turned around and walked off. That same day I actually had a red stag walk up to me as if beggin' for a hand out!

When this guy that runs that ranch was taking me around when I got there, he says, "I like to let my hunters out to make a stalk before we get to 'em (talking about the red deer). :rolleyes: Some stalk, just walk down the road tossing corn and yelling "suuuuuieeeee" and they'll walk right up to you and you can stab 'em and save a bullet. :rolleyes: I coulda killed that sheep with a hammer. They get big money for one of those exotics, though. But, that ain't what I'm into. I'd rather hunt and come home empty, myself. Shooting pet deer isn't hunting.

But, I can't knock all these exotic ranches. Heck, I've heard there are many exotics that are more populus in Texas than in their native habitat. They do a service to the world of hunting, in a way, I guess. They won't be getting any of MY money, though. If I could afford one of those high fence "hunts", I could afford a guided hunt in Alaska...:rolleyes: Which would YOU prefer???

[countertop]

If I gut shoot 'em and they stick around, I'll finish 'em off and throw 'em in the dumpster next door. I won't be TRYING to torture the things, but I won't worry a lot about crippling one if it means I have time to get another one. I'll just be firing as fast as I see fur in the scope.


OK, thats cool. No problem with that. I was just a bit troubled at the thought of someone purposely trying to remove the lower jaw.

Had a monster in my grandmothers neighborhood who toprtured a large number of dogs and cats (as well as lighting them on fire, throwing them in buckets of bleach and oven cleaner, etc). That of course, was back in the Pre Guiliani New York.

[MCgunner]

Yeah, well, that's just sick and anyone who would do that would probably have no problem doing it to a person. I don't hate dogs or cats, love a good pet like anyone else. But, feral dogs can become more than a nuisance, they can become down right dangerous. Whatever the cause of these animals doing what they do, they need to be weeded out. It's like the killer who rapes and murders a woman, just because his mama and daddy beat him and treated him like dung, doesn't mean he shouldn't be executed for his crimes. JMHO, of course, being a Texan. Like Ron White says, "Other states are outlawing the death penalty, my state's puttin' in and express line."

:D

[MCgunner]

BTW, you can tell the size of my town when a pack of wild dogs makes the front page....:rolleyes: :D

[1 old 0311]

Dear World,

MCgunner does NOT REPRESENT the average firearms owner. We may find the need to dispatch animals at times but WE DO NOT ENDORSE TORTURE.

[swampdog]

MCgunner,
I realize you were just venting. We have a feral dog problem around here, too. They will attack children, and adults for that matter. Some people will let their dogs "run" and when you let 2 or more dogs out together, they go hunting. Between the ferals and the irresponsible owners, pet cats can live a short life around here. I have 2 cats. They stay inside, most of the time. If either of these was killed, I'd want revenge, too.

I've killed both feral dogs and cats in my yard. I always try for a clean kill, like I'm sure you do, and most of the time I'm successful. I accidently removed a feral cats jaw with a .22 one time. It wasn't pretty. I had to chase it down the street and finish it off under my neighbors back porch. He was not amused.
On the other hand, I've also had to finish off some of my mother-in-laws cats that feral dogs have gotten hold of, so I understand where you are coming from.
I'm sure you will agree, when you cool off a little, that nothing deserves to suffer. I don't use a .22 on dogs. Buckshot, your .357, anything you'd use on a similar sized game animal. You know that, though.

The locals around here will organize a hunt when things get too bad. The local hunt clubs get together and run drives through the woods. Maybe you all could do the same, especially since it made the front page. I remember a few years ago when I lived on Hatteras Island they put a notice in the paper for everyone that owned a cat to keep them inside that weekend. I heard gunshots all weekend.
Feral dogs and cats respond well to predator calls. They'll also come to bait.

It's pretty ironic, but I bet that some of the people who raise the most hell about putting down feral animals are also the same people who created the problem to begin with.

Kill'em clean and Good Hunting.

[formerflyer]

I'm with Swampdog. In my home town, the Sheriff's Office used to put together a group of volunteers a couple of times a year to go on a Feral Dog hunt. Threw in a couple of deputies in uniform in case anybody had any questions about a bunch of folks running around with shotguns and .30-30's shooting at dogs.

That kept them pretty thinned out. The first couple of hunts were free-for-all shoot-em-ups, though, as the ferals hadn't been targeted before, and there were a whole load of them.

[duvalhunter]

Hope you get them good :D

[Art Eatman]

A number of years ago, before Austintatious metastacized so much, a buddy of mine had a small sheep-ranching operation just south of Georgetown. He lost some sheep to a pack of dogs.

One Saturday morning he spotted the pack; shot a couple of them, although not before they'd killed a couple more sheep.

Lo and behold, one of the dogs not only had a collar, but it had rabies tags and a tag with the owner's name and telephone number. He called the number and told the owner the dog was over in the pasture.

"I'll be right over and get him!"

"No hurry; he's not going anywhere..."

The owner, who lived not far away at the edge of town, could not really believe that Darling Fido would do such a horrible thing, even though the dog had a bloody mouth and there was the dead sheep as evidence.

This is not uncommon: Precious Pup hangs around the house, beloved of the children--until he goes out with other PPs to kill.

Art

[Roadkill]

I've whacked quite a few over the years. Farmers let me hunt coyotes under the condition that if I see a dog without a collar I shoot it. If it has a collar and is chasing cows/deer I shoot it. If its an obvious stray/ drop off I shoot it. Any cat in the woods - you guessed it. They will kill whatever they can catch. My worst was a large brindle brown pit bull that had a calf down. I hit it once with a .223 at about 150 yds and it ran into a large briar patch. I went in after it with a 1911A1 and hit it five seperate times before it stayed down. Never could get a clear shot in the undergrowth. I came back the next day to show the farmer and it was stripped clean.

rk

[Nathan Williams]

I had a wonderful little dog my parents got for me when I was 3. I grew up with that dog, It wasnt a dog it was a member of the family. One day when I was 18 that dog dissapered. We lived out in the country and a few days later while riding my quad down by the creek found my little dogs head. Coyotes were the culprits. Now it is my mission in life to put coyotes on the endanaged species list. seven years latter I still shoot every coyote I see, I even go so far as to floor it and swerve for them when I see them on the road. My thought is if I kill enough of them I will get, or have got the one that killed my dog. If I keep killing them I will get its family and decendents. I dont care how I take them gut shot, leg shot so there crippled and cant hunt, it doesnt matter I just want them all dead. So I understand how you feel about your cat.

Oh and by the way, where do you live that you can get away with shooting in your front yard?

[MCgunner]

Oh and by the way, where do you live that you can get away with shooting in your front yard?


On the edge of a small town with one neighbor down the street. But, that's why the .22 and CB caps. ;) I'm not quite out of the city limits. I can't go blastin' 'em with a 12 gauge here.

[H&Hhunter]

A friend of mine was telling me a story about a now famous Texas lawmen who shall remain unnamed as he is quite prolific in some circles today.

In any case the lawmen received a call from a distraught land owner about a destructive dog. The lawmen replied telling the landowner that the next time he sees the dog he should go ahead and shoot it.

Twenty minutes later the lawmen gets a frantic phone call from a man. Apparently “someone” had just drove by his house and shot his dog off the porch!:D :D

[Mannlicher]

I dont have much use for cats, but I have even less use for a pack of feral dogs. I have dispatched a lot of them over the years. Err, feral dogs that is. :uhoh:

[EatBugs]

I worked at a property last year were every day during archery season a hunter would complain about a skinny old hound dog that would sit under the hunter's tree stand and howl at them. A few days into firearms season, the complaints stopped.

[BIGJACK]

Whats the matter? They couldn't hit him with a arrow??

[faustopph]

just thought i'd chime in here. In Wisconsin the law says You need to prove[have Your property:dog,cat,calf,etc...]that a feral animal is causing destruction.So basically,,if it ain't in it's mouth,You have know right to kill it.
And it is so true about feral animals becoming destructive away from home.Song birds are killed by cats that are let outside more than by any other controlable means.Country dogs that go out and meet the pack. Can go on killing sprees till it's time to bring the cows home.They will usually go to a place other than one of the home farms.Mean while a fox,coon,mink comes in and raids the chicken coop.
My moto:LEASH OR NOT,THEY ARE DOWN. And,yes a 22 will and can drop a dog in it's track.If You have a clean shot and the dogs adrenaline is'nt jacked up.

[Cosmoline]

If you're that mad at them, USE SOMETHING BIGGER THAN A .22! Animals that dangerous call for something centerfire, surely. Trying to wound them is just going to make them MORE DANGEROUS to the old grandma you reference. Use your brain.

I can't go blastin' 'em with a 12 gauge here.

Dude, if they're really that big a danger why the heck not? Are you telling me the locals will come down on you for killing feral dogs that just slaughtered a bunch of sheep? Or complain about the noise? If so, I'd consider moving and telling them to go to hell. If a rogue bear was doing that in my old neck of the woods (and one has been, near Indian), people would be out there with everything this side of an M-2. Why hold back? Why play stupid games trying to shoot the jaw off with a plinker. If you're going to kill them, KILL THEM. The .22 is for bunnies and grouse, not wild dogs.

[Jackal]

I feel the same way about coyotes as mcgunner feels about feral dogs. Coyotes have killed 5 of my cats in the last 4 years. I gut shot one at 100yds with a .22 mag, and feel zero remorse. I know i gut shot it because i followed the blood trail about 600ft through the woods and came up to a big pool. Funny thing is, after the pool, there was no coyote and no blood anywhere. Guess it just run out of blood to bleed.

[Cosmoline]

You lower 48'ers are relying on rimfires too much for large pest control. The .223 would seem to me a far better and more effective choice. That pack of feral dogs calls for liberal application of an AR-15 or Mini-14, for example.

[Lupinus]

I live in town so no worries of ferals

However, once I get out of town like I plan to one touches one of my cats and it is a dead doggie.

Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up

[MCgunner]

A .22 will kill about any dog. I can't go shootin' a .223 inside the city limits. CB shorts are my choice. They're silent without a silencer. :D

I have shot a couple out of my deer stand with a .308. It seemed to work pretty well, too. It ain't no AR or anything, though. I mean, I wouldn't wanna blow 'em in half with the power of the .223 and all. Might be a little messy. I'm not sure how, but I got one shot stops with that pathetically underpowered .308. :rolleyes: But, then again, the one I shot in the head with my NAA mini revolver dropped dead in his tracks, too. :D

[Dravur]

We had a horse/cattle ranch in MT. Well, one day, a guy bought a ranch down the road from us, typical NY lib moves to the country and thinks he is a rancher. Well, he had to buy the obligitory pack of dogs. Well, these dogs would chase our horses and cattle as he did nothing to control them.

We asked him nicely to keep control of the dogs, never mentioning that we had the right to blast his dogs off the face of the earth <Ignorance of the law and all that> Well, one day, they killed a calf and happened to be standing over the kill when i shot them from a neighboring pasture with a .30-06. I called up The "Pilgrim" as we used to call him and let him know thatr he could come get his dogs, but to bring a truck.

Boy was he hot, he threatened to sue, and screamed that he had called the cops etc. Well, it happens , Ole Sherrif Onstad was nearby and came on out as he was a friend. The Pilgrim was not happy when he was served a series of Dog at Large tickets and told in no uncertain terms that he just bought a dead calf.

We didn't see much of him after that.

[Lupinus]

I never understood why people let their dogs roam and then are surprised when the things get killed.

A cat or a small (not medium, small as in....small) dog can be one thing and so long as they aren't bothering anything I don't consider any big deal. But in turn if my cats get out while I may not be happy if they don't come back I'm not going to be surprised either or angry at someone for shooting it if they try and get at their rabbits or something.

As for large dogs, if you have a large dog you let run loose and don't own a few hundred acres for it to do so on you are an idiot, large dogs form packs, packs hunt and kill things, a large dog on my property would be very likly to get shot unless I knew the owner and knew they were responsible and it just happened to be a rare case of the dog got loose.

[trueblue1776]

Feral dogs freak me out, down in Mobile by the brookley airport I've seen packs of 12+ feral dogs, some of them were G. Shep size nasty little buggers.

To all these people who loose cats (with exception the folks in the city): Did the mean coyotes hurt your kitty, well maybe noooobody told you there was big mean coyotes in the country. Just kidding guys, I got nothing against a man who likes (snicker) cats.:D

And to the ranchers: if by some odd twist of fate my catch dogs get out and kill your sheep, dont kill my dogs (they have collars), I will pay twice any damage my dogs cause, and I'll give you a couple of ABD's to raise on your farm to make sure nothing comes near your sheep.

[MCgunner]

Cats don't kill livestock and while I shoot feral cats on my place (they're hard on the quail population) cats keep the rats down out in my old shop. It's rat infested if I don't have cats around.

OTOH dogs will kill animals. Some don't, some do have that tendency and they'll join a pack in a heartbeat. All bets are off in the pack mentality.

Where I grew up, people let their dogs roam the neighborhood and most didn't bother folk's chickens and livestock. When one did, he was eliminated and sometimes by the owner who didn't want him if he was going to kill livestock.

I've owned beagles and labs. I either pinned or teathered 'em in the yard. I don't keep dogs anymore since my lab got ripped off some years ago. I had one get loose and he was rather street dumb and got run over. Another got snake bit and died (lots of rattlers around here), so I only keep cats now to keep the rats down around here. The cat that was killed, though, was a house cat. She was fixed and didn't have urges, but would run outside when you weren't looking and the door was open, but she wasn't street wise and that pack of dogs got her. She was too dumb to climb a tree I guess. My other can, an outside cat that strayed up here and I took in was unharmed, but it was her kittens that were killed, too.

[Cosmoline]

A .22 will kill about any dog.

NO IT WILL NOT! I've personally sat in a vet's office and seen an Akita with two .22 holes through his chest walk in and get patched up. The neighbor had been taking shots at the dog as it was walking down the street.

I can't go shootin' a .223 inside the city limits. CB shorts are my choice. They're silent without a silencer.

If you have a right to shoot the dog, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DO IT QUIETLY AND WITHOUT ALERTING THE NEIGHBORS!!! I've never heard of any ordinance allowing you to fire a .22 LR but not a .223. Both will go miles on a rainbow trajectory. If you have no right to shoot them, don't shoot them. but if you have a right to shoot them DO IT F'ING PROPERLY OR STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM! A .22 CB short is woefully inadequate to kill anything this side of a small squirrel. A PELLET GUN CARRIES MORE ENERGY THAN A .22 CB! Good lord man, read your damn ballistics tables!

I grabbed my .22 in the corner of my bedroom. My surviving cat was in the house, heard the barking, and bristled and growled like a friggin' mountain lion. I stepped out on the porch when the lead dog, a brown colored mutt, smallish, came around the driveway. I chambered a round and he took off like a banshee, apparently knew what a rifle was.


Has it dawned on you that the dog that ran when it heard the bolt close had been shot already by some bone headed Texican who also thought a .22 CB was enough for any dog?!

USE ENOUGH GUN! The .22 is for small game, unless you're breaking the law. And if you're breaking the law don't post about it here.

[Art Eatman]

Cosmo, a head shot inside your yard is a lot different from shooting out at 100 yards or more. Accuracy is part of the equation...

Another point is that when you have a pest, you do what you have to do: 1. Get rid of the pest, and 2. Stay cool with neighbors and the law.

Art

[Cosmoline]

In my book .22 CB is only appropriate for Ol Yeller as he's holding still looking up at you with big eyes as you stick the barrel against his brain pan, and even then it's iffy. Heck, you shoot yourself in the head with one and you'll have a fair chance of coming out with only some lost IQ. It's totally inappropriate for putting down predators, which is exactly what feral dogs are. Simply the wrong tool for the job. Where anybody got the idea it was appropriate for shots at fast moving feral dogs, I don't know. But it's a dangerous and foolish notion. Use the proper tool, or knock off the tom foolery.

As far as the 3S method, discussing it here pretty much destroys the all-important third S. And I'm not sure why you'd have to shut up about something as geuninely dangerous as feral dogs that have already taken sheep. If it's really your neighbor's stray, then you should be a man and go tell the neighbor what you had to do, rather than slyly sniping with an underpowered, low-noise firearm in the hopes that you can do it without having to admit to anything. This is what the fellow shooting the Akita figured, and he didn't do himself any favors with the law or his neighbors behaving in such an underhanded fashion.

[Koobuh]

"To all these people who loose cats (with exception the folks in the city): Did the mean coyotes hurt your kitty, well maybe noooobody told you there was big mean coyotes in the country. Just kidding guys, I got nothing against a man who likes (snicker) cats.

And to the ranchers: if by some odd twist of fate my catch dogs get out and kill your sheep, dont kill my dogs (they have collars), I will pay twice any damage my dogs cause, and I'll give you a couple of ABD's to raise on your farm to make sure nothing comes near your sheep."

:rolleyes:

Cats don't form packs and try to attack humans as well as domestic animals. I'd suggest you save your derision for people who enjoy the company of domestic cats for another, less 'catty' target. ;)

Also, I'm sure your generous offer will replace that gold-star bloodline animal that I hand raised and was about to breed at $1000 per visit. Control your animals or they will be controlled for you. :fire:

[trueblue1776]

koobah, don't beat me up ok, accidents happen and decent people make good for them, thats all I'm saying, I'm glad my neighbors are a little more secure than....

[BIGJACK]

A properly placed .22 bullet will and has, at one time or other, killed nearly, if not, every animal on the north american continent. :D The key is "properly placed.":p Since I was a child, quite a number of years, I have seen a countless number of animals killed with a 22 short, up to and including 300# hogs. :eek:

[Nathan Williams]

This thread reminds me of a friend of my dads. We were out at his place once returning from a day of hunting, when he came out and pointed to a coyote on a hilside about 400 yards away. He then went in his shed to grab his AK47:what: . When he pointed the muzzle his only words were watch this, he then proceeded to unload a 30round mag at the old yote. I am not sure how many rounds it actually took to hit him but he went down pretty quick. When we walked up to get a look we counted no less than three holes.I thought that was pretty impressive for iron sights.

Oh and by the way a .22lr shooting CCI Stingers is more than enough for something dog sized. I have taken just as many coyotes with this round as I have with a .223. It is all about shot placement. Put a .22 in the head and it will go down.

[Cosmoline]

High vel .22 Stingers are not the same as a .22 CB. And a feral dog can run twice the size of a coyote. If they're already taking livestock I'd say it's time to put away the fricking toys.

[Art Eatman]

Cosmoline, a guy living with nearby neighbors is in a whole different bag of possible worms than a farmer or rancher. All it takes is one mouthy old woman to start a hate campaign, just because somebody made a loud noise when disposing of a cat-killing Phaideaux.

So: Very limited, rare deal--that occasionally happens.

From what I've read here and at TFL over the last eight years (sheesh!), it's pretty obvious that all of us prefer a quick, clean, ethical kill, even on pests and varmints.

Well, green, green, green at Michigan. CUL.

:), Art

[Dale Taylor]

MCgunner, my mother said 2 wrongs don't make a right.' Hypocracy is all the feral cats killed here 6 months ago. daleltaylor@att.net

[swampdog]

Hypocracy is all the feral cats killed here 6 months ago

Feral cats, feral dogs, they're both a problem. While feral cats don't form packs and certainly aren't dangerous to humans, they are very efficient predators. If you have a large population of feral cats, you won't have a rabbit population for long. They also carry diseases, like feline leukemia, that can infect domestic, well taken care of cats. Like any other exotic import, their population needs to be controlled.

I own two cats, both "rescued", btw, and a chocolate lab. All my animals are fixed and well taken care of. If more people were responsible pet owners, we wouldn't have as large of a problem. My girlfriend used to work at the SPCA. That's not a very pretty solution either. I almost feel it is kinder to shoot them.

Do you have a better solution? The problem doesn't seem to be going away.

[Art Eatman]

I don't think there's a humane shelter in the US that's not overwhelmed. People dumop "pets" out in the country, or let them run loose in town. You have feral cats in parks and on campuses, killing songbirds and squirrels. It's not just a problem "out in the coutnry".

A shotgun or a high-powered rifle is about as humane as you can get, I guess. Not everybody has the time to tame a feral critter, and might not need any more pets around the house. It's an individual decision; no "one size fits all".

As usual...

Art

[Dale Taylor]

Art like in diabetes thread I guess diferent strokes for diferent folks

[Thin Black Line]

I went in after it with a 1911A1 and hit it five seperate times before it stayed down.

Next time: 12g, 00B, one shot, 9 pellets, dog gone.

[mbt2001]

Here is another option...

Get some hunting dogs and track those suckers down... Do a rattlesnake round up kind of thing on some Saturday. This can be billed as the Redneck version of Fox hunting.

Not horses but ATV's. Not foxes, but mutts. Not foxhounds, but blueticks.

HAHAHAHA The third anual "kill the ugly, wild dog festival" BYOB :neener:

[MCgunner]

Cosmoline, firing a firearm inside city limits is NOT legal. However, I'm going to do it anyway, so sue me.:rolleyes: These dogs are dangerous pests. I'm not one to call the po po over it. What can THEY do anyway? If my cat is up a tree, I don't dial 911 and get the fire department. I either take care of it or just let the cat come down when it gets hungry. :rolleyes: I don't rely on anyone else, much less government, when I don't have to. These cat up a tree rescues you always see as anecdotes on the TV news just make me wanna throw up. Are people that helpless and reliant on government now days?

I've killed LOTS of dogs with a .22, btw, and it will work with proper bullet placement. A head shot does it every time, even from a mini revolver. However, I'm not really worried about bullet placement on these animals. They need killin' regardless of how it's done. None of these dogs are very big, either. Read the article.

That "fox hunt" thing would be fun on dirt bikes. :D

[swampdog]

That "fox hunt" thing would be fun on dirt bikes.

They used to run ferals on horseback, out your way, rope them and drag them. I believe they used the same dogs they ran cougars with.

It's my understanding that some hunting dogs will run ferals, some won't. One of the local hunting clubs tried it a couple of years ago with mixed results. My neighbor has got a pretty good pack of plotts and blueticks that will run just about anything he puts them on. He uses them mostly for bear. Most of the rest of the guys have deer dogs. To make a long story short, they managed to get a couple of ferals, but most of the deer dogs did what deer dogs do, run deer, and they ended up with dogs scattered all over the county. My neighbor was "upset" with one of his dogs that ended up with the deer dogs and he refuses to participate in another feral hunt for fear of "ruining" anymore of his dogs. When they were finished, they ended up with a couple of extra dogs that no one claimed, which shows how confused the whole mess was. They were lucky no one shot one of the hunting dogs.

Good Luck

[sturmruger]

This is kind of a tough subject for me because my dog was killed after she got mixed up with a pack of feral dogs. She was a choclate lab that had just had a bunch of puppies. The pups were about a month old when we noticed that she was gone one day. Two days later we got a call from a neighbor about a mile away. He said that she had gotten mixed up with some feral dogs and had broken into his deer pen and attacked one of his farm raised deer!! For some reason he was only able to shoot our dog and the other dogs were never seen.

I used to do a lot of small game hunting with her and know that she was not the kind of dog to kill things. Sometimes she would grab a wounded rabbit or squerrel but she never tried to kill it just bring it over to me. I believe she got mixed up with the feral dogs because I had never seen her go after another living animal like she did this guys deer.

It was a pretty traumatic expierence for our family. The guy brought her over in his pcikup and dumped her in our yard while my sisters were playing house!!:fire: They cried for almost an hour. In the end it was our fault that she got killed I suppose we should have tied her up, but she had never left the yard in 4 years.

[Karbon]

We had a family memebers dog get shot a few years back when she was out in the corn field following the John Deer around during planting, about 50 yards back.

A "concerned hunter" thought she (a 110 lb black lab with and blaze orange collar) was a "wild dog" or coyote. So he hopped out of the pickup and hit her with a 30-06 round. DRT because of some A-hole with a rifle.

Needless to say our family member almost went to jail, and the guys truck was no longer funtional.

She was his best friend, they truly were inseperatable. She went everywhere on that farm or where ever else he went. That is, she did.

My point is every dog not attached to an eight foot leash is not a wild, card carrying member of a pack. Sometimes dogs get out, sometimes not. But if you are in question, unsure...don't shoot.
Check with neighbors or whatever. But if you are ABSOLUTLY Sure it's a pack dog, be humane and use enough gun.

RIP Sydney...1996-1999.

[usmccpl]

Wasnt ferrel but a few years back I had a dog camped out on my front porch that tried several times to bite when I was coming home from work. I called the dog catcher he told me something about having intercourse with myself. Called city cops the cheif said if I had to shoot it myself call him he would have my back. Next day get up , get dressed grab thermos and Ruger, go to work. Head home dog (german shepard mastiff mix) comes at me empty 15 rounds of 9mm into it,call the police talk to cheif he said ok cops is dispatched to your area after reports of gunfirestay on the line until he gets there. Problem solved.






one shot one kill

[gila_dog]

I've had cats, chickens, goats, and calves killed by coyotes and dogs. In most cases the dogs weren't actually "feral". They were just somebody's pet that was out hunting and doing what dogs have been doing for millions of years. I have seen dogs and coyotes kill a whole flock of chickens or herd of sheep. Some people think the do that for the fun of it. Nope. When they get the chance they kill as much as they can, because they can keep eating it for weeks, even if it's stinking and rotten. That's how they've survived all these many millenia.

But I too am a product of millions of years of evolution. I have certain survival instincts too. One of them is to protect what's mine. If I can get a shot at a coyote I take it. I shoot for the ribs or the or head with a scoped Ruger 10/22. I have a flashlight taped to its barrel and forend for night operations. If a neighborhood dog is just showing too much curiosity about my goats or chickens, I bust it with my slingshot or bow (50 lb recurve shooting rubber blunts) the first time. After that it's a couple of .22 hollow points thru the ribs. Killing somebody's dog just for being nosy can really sour one's relationship with his neighbors. But I only give them one warning. Anybody who let's their dog run loose should expect it to get shot or run over by a car.

Coyotes and dogs aren't evil. Coyotes and feral dogs kill stuff in order to survive. Neighborhood pets do it for the same reason we hunters do it. It's in our blood. But to deliberately shoot an animal in a way that will make it suffer IS evil.

If I were I coyote I would always be looking for a fat, tasty cat. I would also be watching for that guy with the rifle.

[992]

A Brushcutter electric fence with 3 strands off wire keeps pretty much any dog or anything else from comming on my prop. unless I want them to.
Also if they happen to get by that,and nothing has in 4 years,my dog Buddy,a Great Pyrneese(?)I forgot how to spell it,weighs 165 lbs. and does not like anything or anybody he does not know inside his fence.
I live out in the country and any 911 call might be answered today or next week.I won't turn away anybody in need,but they have to really need help to get to where I am.
I have seen that fence kill snakes ,possums,chickens,and been known to put grown men on their knees,don't ask me how I know that.


992

[El Tejon]

When I shot dogs and coyotes on my farm, I used an AR with the Winchester 64 grain SP. I found them very effective.

I can also testify as to the effectiveness of a BAR in .338 Winchester Magnum on wild dogs, but some consider that overkill.:D

[Dale Taylor]

I love my 338 Mauser. Most accurate rifle I own. I use it often, yes its overkill. Weighs 9 1/2 pounds and has recoil pad. Its fun. daleltaylor

[phoglund]

I do feel for you folks that have to deal with all these feral animals. I think the only reason we don't have a problem around here is the wild animals are a bit too much competition for them. If I were to have a problem I live in an area where I could use pretty much what I wanted to solve the problem although I do think it's best to be circumspect about it. There are other houses around so back drop can be a problem. Anything close would see the wrong end of a 12 guage. Longer distance (50 - 125 yards) would most likely be dealt with using my very accurate .17 with shot placement being the key. Any farther than that they would most likely be off my property and somebody elses problem. That being said I won't shoot roaming dogs on sight, I have one little bugger that occasionally gets out of my 6' woven wire fence no matter what I do to keep him in and he doesn't stand more than 18'' high at the shoulder! When we leave the place he gets kenneled. There are other dogs that are seen roaming about occasionally but don't seem to cause any problems. We have cats that we let roam free during the day but they kill mostly ground squirrels (known as gophers), which is considered by all to be a good thing. Funny to see them carting a gopher that weighs a third what they do. I do wish they'd not leave the gut pile on my doorstep though...it attracts flys.