What gun would this fictitious character use?


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TheArchDuke
August 9, 2006, 02:25 AM
For my 3D animation class, we're designing a character for a "video game" (we're not actually making a game, we're just learning character concept and design).

Anyway, our character lives in an alternate past where the cold war wasn't so cold and the soviet union was more brutal and opressive than it actually was. It's 1989 and he's a romanian or other eastern european who is part of a group of freedom fighters and all that jazz. It's really detailed but I won't bore you with my terrible writing and historical inaccuracies.

I was wondering, what guns would someone from that time period and region shoot? Obviously it will involve AK-47s but I need a really cool handgun from that area/time period. Any suggestions?

Sorry for such a random thread :cool:

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lawson
August 9, 2006, 02:29 AM
maybe a nickel plated Makarov?

TheArchDuke
August 9, 2006, 02:42 AM
Hmm yeah and and I know someone whoo has a makarov so I could use it as a reference.

How about this one?

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/8476/supprmakwx4.jpg

That's pretty cool.

Croyance
August 9, 2006, 02:44 AM
"Or other Eastern European" - CZ-75
CZ-83
CZ-52
The Mak or Tokarev
Scorpion VZ61
Dragunov
An old Nagant - you use what is available.
Polish Radom

Okay, not all were handguns.

TheArchDuke
August 9, 2006, 02:48 AM
Oh he will definitely have a Dragunov at some point. Those are my favorite rifles (as far as looks go [never shot one{I live in California}]).


I never considered the CZ-75. How old are they?

EDIT: oh...1975. That's cool.

Thanks

10 Ring Tao
August 9, 2006, 03:11 AM
For me, the quintessential eastern european PDW isn't a pistol, its a machine pistol, ala the skorpion.

http://www.military-collections.com/Weapons/Vz-62.jpg

Dr.Rob
August 9, 2006, 03:44 AM
Captured Nazi Luger... grandpa fought so hard to rid this land of one opressor, only to be enslaved by another...

Kor
August 9, 2006, 03:53 AM
Have you considered maybe a Stechkin machine pistol? It's kinda funky-looking, and relatively obscure, so it hasn't lost it's "cool factor" through over-exposure...

lawson
August 9, 2006, 03:56 AM
also check out http://world.guns.ru one of our fellow members here runs it. he lives in Russia, so there is a large selection of russian weapons with pictures, specs, history, and descriptions.

they did a lot of experimentation with integrally silenced weapons. some neat stuff.

Husker1911
August 9, 2006, 04:00 AM
A natural. A Czech CZ75. Hades, even Jeff Cooper sang the praises of the CZ75 (a 9mm Parabelum, btw) in those days. They were sought after in this country, and illegally (or quasi-legally) imported into the states back then, back door importation through Canada. A D/A pistol that allowed cocked and locked carry!

harvester of sorrow
August 9, 2006, 08:35 AM
and the soviet union was more brutal and opressive than it actually was.

I'm not sure that's possible.

Godfather
August 9, 2006, 08:40 AM
Screw historical accuracy, go with a Gold Deagle. Make that two gold Deagles. Long slide, laser scope, .50 cal. And he carries them cleverly disguised as earrings, but a new USSR anti-bling law creates problem for his slammin' guages.

The Drew
August 9, 2006, 09:26 AM
There was a select fire CZ 75 that used a mag for a fore grip, and they still make the 25/26 round mags...

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/cz75fa.jpg

Lonestar
August 9, 2006, 09:41 AM
A Polish P-64, a Hungarian FEG?, Problem is 1989 in real life the soviet union was starting to collapse. Assuming the USSR was strong and oppressive, he would probably be stuck with a Russian weapon or something smuggled in from western Europe or the US.

antsi
August 9, 2006, 09:44 AM
CZ 75 would have been quite a "premium" pistol in the Soviet Bloc and 9mm Para ammo not easy to come by.

I'd say an underground type would be a lot more likely to get hold of a Makarov, or even a WWII-era Tokarev. Another possibility would be a Nagant revolver.

Dain Bramage
August 9, 2006, 12:14 PM
A fictional character needs a fictional gun. How about a Porbyrin 9.2mm from RED HEAT?

"This being most powerfullest handgun in world, and blowing head clean off to Siberia, do you feel lucky, comrade punk?"

Justin
August 9, 2006, 12:37 PM
Stechkin APS (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg22-e.htm)

600 RPM of select-fire, 20+1 goodness.

Or, for a more subtle approach you could always go with a PSM (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg23-e.htm)

entropy
August 9, 2006, 02:36 PM
Read Solzhynitsyn and see if you don't agree with harvester of sorrow. "The Gulag Archipelego" and "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" aren't exactly all fuzzy bunnys and candy canes, and all first-hand accounts, the second one semi-autobiographical.

I vote for the silenced Makarov. ;)

MachIVshooter
August 9, 2006, 10:09 PM
Gotta go with the Select fire CZ75 or a Beretta 93R. Both were available by 1989, albeit unlikely that an Eastern bloc freedom fighter would be able to afford/obtain one. The Makarov, Tokarev, CZ 52 and CZ83 would probably be the most commonly used pistols for such folks.

Wes Janson
August 10, 2006, 12:00 AM
What about a PM-63 Rak? SAR's latest issue has a GREAT article on it. I'd love to own one :(

Croyance
August 10, 2006, 02:45 AM
There is also the issue of ammunition. I think that the CZ-75 would be my choice, but how much 9x19 is floating around the Soviet Union? Still, the Soviet Union had a lot of border length.
You use what you can get your hands on. If one resistance group had met up with Czech counterparts, exchanges could have been made.
It isn't like there were no Soviet advisors in Korea or Viet Nam, so a HiPower wouldn't be out of the question either.

RustyShackelford
August 10, 2006, 03:07 AM
A cool sidearm could be the Checkosolvakian Scorpian machine pistol. It fired a small(.32/.380) Warsaw Pact round and could be shot full auto/semi. It was popular with the Viet Cong in SE Asia and used all over the USSR/Europe for many years. I'm not sure of it's origin or correct spelling of the name but I do know it's a nasty little MFer. ;)

The USSR/Warsaw Pact also had a larger machine pistol called a Sketzen. It fired a small round too but had a longer barrel and looked more like a modern semi auto pistol of today. My spelling may be wrong and I know these Sketzen pistols were rare but I do know these weapons were used by USSR Spetnaz(spec ops) and some KGB officers.

For more details, I would research the Jane's Defense Weekly records and maybe the military/arms websites.

PS: the AK-74 is a larger rifle type weapon but is smaller than a AK-47. The AK-74s can be used in Urban areas/CQB scenes. A AK-74 is what OBL liked to tote around and was the weapon of the main bad guy in True Lies(1994), ;) . I think the main USSR military commander(played by the excellent actor; William Smith) in the film: Red Dawn used a Scorpian machine pistol.
www.imdb.com

Rusty S

Dmack_901
August 10, 2006, 03:19 AM
It may not be the perfect gun popularity wise, but the PPSH really seems to fit into the rough, rebellious, lead slinging persona. Possibly with a sawed off buttstock.

GunnySkox
August 10, 2006, 03:44 AM
So far, I'd say Dmack_901 has the coolest suggestion. a PPSH-41 with a chopped-down buttstock (how's THAT for a mare's leg, chump change?, GunnySkox said to noone) is about as stylish as they come.

~GnSx

trickyasafox
August 10, 2006, 11:22 AM
give a twist and consider something american. sounds silly but how better to infuriate those you fight against but by utalizing the weapons of their main advesary.

oppressive Russian dictatorship? get under their skin with an original wwII 1911.

entropy
August 10, 2006, 11:31 AM
I think the main USSR military commander(played by the excellent actor; William Smith) in the film: Red Dawn used a Scorpian machine pistol.


If you're referring to the Spetnaz Col., (Я-Охоник!), he used a Jati-Matic, a Finnish SMG firing 9mm Para. ;)

TheArchDuke
August 10, 2006, 02:06 PM
TRICKYASAFOX: "give a twist and consider something american."

Actually that's not a bad idea. In the story, he teams up with the Americans to assissinate some high ranking soviets. Why wouldn't they also supply some weapons? But that might blow his cover.

Correia
August 10, 2006, 02:48 PM
RustyShackelford,

You are mistaken. An AK-74 is basically an AK-47 chambered in 5.45 rather than 7.62x39. Size wise they are virtually identical.

You are thinking of the AKSU-74. There are chopped down versions of both the 47 and the 74. These are sometimes referred to as Krinkovs. They have a folding stock, with a nifty reciever catch, and a hinged dustcover with mid-length iron sights. I've got a custom Krinkov built on a Saiga right now. Very cool guns.

Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
August 10, 2006, 02:51 PM
+1 I'd say a pair of scorpions.... :)

jbrown50
August 10, 2006, 03:55 PM
Now here's a good lookin' Mak.

http://makarov.com/graphics/miltex/miltex1.jpghttp://makarov.com/graphics/militex/militex1.jpg

Your fictional character with his fictional connections could get a custom nickel plated Mak easily. It's a nickel plated sissy pistol but who cares. Your character will look good with this gun????

Hoppy590
August 10, 2006, 05:04 PM
SAA for class ;) make up a story that it was stolen from a dictators private stash or a dead general who wanted to be patton.

AJAX22
August 10, 2006, 07:53 PM
I would like to see the guy sport a pair of CZ 24 or CZ 26 submachine guns in 7.62x25

Its like having an uzi chambered in .357 magnum, it uses the same cartridge as the cz 52 so it would make ammo a bit easier to come by.

32 round stick mags, high cyclic rate, easy to hide under a duster.

Dark Helmet
August 10, 2006, 08:57 PM
1 more vote for Stechkin

Cosmoline
August 10, 2006, 09:04 PM
I'd suggest a Mosin-Nagant handgun. Yes handgun. The partisans during WWII used them and they were a favorite of Russian mobsters later on. Quite a muzzle flash!

akodo
August 10, 2006, 10:24 PM
but how better to infuriate those you fight against but by utalizing the weapons of their main advesary.

Actually....that is what Stalin did. The russian czar ordered a bunch of .44 revolvers from smith and wesson, break open schofield type, and that is why we have the .44 russian cartridge, which is the ballistic twin of the 44 special, just a tad bit shorter.

Anyways, a few were jazzed up for the czar, but most were used by his bodyguard, and for troops etc. Later, when the czar was killed, his guns were passed around for a while, and Stalin was reported to have used one of the big 44 revolvers to shoot people in the head for treason, or to offer it to them so they could kill themselves for failing him.


Not really sure how you could have a soviet union that was MORE repressive than what it was under stalin.

Remember, Stalin was the one that started sending people off to siberia, because it is better to get a few years of work out of them than just shoot them. Of course, don't bother supplying the camps. Had a few camps in which every single person, even the guards starved or froze to death.

Stalin wanted to get rid of a person who he thought was gaining in power and popularity, and was afraid this person would soon be a rival to him. Stalin had a trusted underling talk to the cheif of police who contacted a thug to kill the person. Stalin then had the thug killed, the thugs parents, wife, and ex wife, and the ex-wife's parents, current husband, and his two parents, the chief of police was forced to resign and committed suicide in front of stalin for 'failing in his job of protecting government officails' The underling was killed by stalin as a traitor, and half of the upper ranks of the police were shipped off to siberia for running such a terrible police department that his 'friend' could get killed. This all happened in the week between the first death and the funeral. Stalin then appointed this man's son to the post, but after 2 years had him shipped off as a traitor as well

M249MachineGun
August 11, 2006, 02:31 AM
Chopped down PPSh-41 for the win!

Later on, give him a FAL. "Right arm of the free world" and everything.

TheArchDuke
August 11, 2006, 03:17 PM
Here's what I got so far:

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/6404/nicolaeheadtesttu2.jpg

No gun yet. I'll start that tomorrow. I'm doing an AK for sure, a Dragunov if I have time, and a makarov with integrated supressor (easiest to model haha)

RyanM
August 11, 2006, 03:56 PM
Actually that's not a bad idea. In the story, he teams up with the Americans to assissinate some high ranking soviets. Why wouldn't they also supply some weapons? But that might blow his cover.

How about a Liberator? If the alternate history thing diverges far enough back, maybe the US Army wouldn't have dumped all those Liberators in the sea.

trickyasafox
August 11, 2006, 06:42 PM
don't forget the 'hero chin' on his animation :)

Deer Hunter
August 11, 2006, 06:46 PM
What? Did someone say Bruce Campbell ? :D

Checkman
August 11, 2006, 07:59 PM
A Ppsh 41 and a Mauser C96 Broomhandle - just because. Perhaps a CZ-27 and an SKS?

Dr.Rob
August 11, 2006, 08:30 PM
If it's a Mauser it would be a "Bolo" 4 inch model.. named after the Bolsheviks who favored it.

The bought a bunch of these before replacing them with the Tokarev.

Yeager
August 11, 2006, 08:51 PM
How about a sawn off Garand?

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/8951/sheet19ve1.jpg

Zen21Tao
August 11, 2006, 09:24 PM
give a twist and consider something american. sounds silly but how better to infuriate those you fight against but by utalizing the weapons of their main advesary.

oppressive Russian dictatorship? get under their skin with an original wwII 1911.

I agree that some American weapons would work out nicely. The set up to them could be your character enters a Russian officers house/office and he has some American weapons on display. You take them. Nothing better than running around with an M60, duel Baretta 93s (suppressed), and a good old M16.

entropy
August 11, 2006, 10:05 PM
Stalin wanted to get rid of a person who he thought was gaining in power and popularity, and was afraid this person would soon be a rival to him.

Actually it was whoever Beria wanted to get rid of. And that was anyone but him whom he thought might bend Stalin's ear . ;)

lawson
August 11, 2006, 10:06 PM
for a rifle, how about one of the Winchester 1895s built for the russians, chambered in 7.62x54R

trickyasafox
August 11, 2006, 10:42 PM
Yeager How about a sawn off Garand?



i too am a fan of hellsing

10 Ring Tao
August 12, 2006, 01:39 AM
i too am a fan of hellsing

I just finished watching the whole series the other night. One of my favorites.

richyoung
August 12, 2006, 02:02 AM
Something American - AND German, and Norwegian...the 1911 auto was built in Norway (with a distinctive slide release lever) and Germany put the pistol into production for its handgun-starved forces, so Russia could have captured a stock of them from either Norway or Germany - and the Americans could supply plenty of ammo.

MountainPeak
August 12, 2006, 10:02 PM
I agree with Trickyasafox. A freedom fighter should have a 1911!!

woerm
August 12, 2006, 11:13 PM
use tool of one oppressor to finish off the next (and much worse) oppressor.

r

Rabbi
August 12, 2006, 11:20 PM
Browning Hi-Power ..................... they were all over Europe.

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