Places to buy Federal HST?


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Deer Hunter
August 10, 2006, 08:55 PM
I've been doing some research on these rounds, and I am thoroughly impressed! I downloaded a .pdf of various HST rounds being tested against other top-of-the-line bullets. However, when I tried looking online for a place that sells them, I have not had any luck. I was lucking for some .45 ACP 230 grain loads, but right now I can't find anything.

Anyone know where I can find these rounds?

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510thomas
August 10, 2006, 09:10 PM
I have gotten mine from Streichers.com. I think the .45 is $18 for 50. The expansion on these bullets is very impressive, as well as good penetration. It is kind of hit and miss with Streichers, as far as when they have them in stock. I have the 230gr+p, they have a little more recoil than standard pressure, but are also quite accurate.

SnakeEater
August 10, 2006, 09:21 PM
I know that MAH Supplies (http://www.mahsupplies.net) has the Federal Tactical Bonded. It is the premium version while the HST is the "budget" version. I've been using Tactical for awhile now and I'm extremely impressed, I've almost completely moved away from Winchester Ranger.

Deer Hunter
August 10, 2006, 09:37 PM
alright, thanks guys. When I go on my next ammo-buying spree, I'll keep these places bookmarked.

rmw
March 19, 2007, 07:13 PM
Do they really just sell this to LE ? Or do they just need a copy of your DL/CPL

Deer Hunter
March 19, 2007, 08:06 PM
I've bought them from Streichers before and they never asked for any type of ID.

rmw
March 19, 2007, 08:14 PM
I looked at the MAH web sight and they have a big speal about how federal and Winchester only want to sell ranger and hst to LE . It seems everyone is always out of it

frankt
March 19, 2007, 08:57 PM
I have bought the HST twice from Streichers, the last time was two weeks ago.
They will sell you all you want but it does not stay in stock long. If they have it, you have to jump on it right away.

Good luck!

Deer Hunter
March 19, 2007, 09:20 PM
It's no wonder it gets bought up everytime they are in stock. That stuff is great.

hotpig
March 19, 2007, 10:04 PM
The main problem is Federal and Winchester only do small production runs of their LE ammo since it is meant for a small market. Much of the ammo ends up in the non LE market causing a shortage under normal circumstances.

Right now the demand world wide for ammo has them snowed under. CCI seems to be the smartest since they started adding machines to help with production. Federal hired more people but without the machines that does not help much. Olin Corp is busy making money(new American Dollar coin) so the brass mill is splint between that, brass sheets for China, and the Winchester brass.

Putting more machines on takes many months to get online so we are way behind the eight ball.

I called my #2 supplier of Ranger ammo today. They had promised me that my August order of RA9TA and RA45TP would ship this month. Now they say they hope to have it to me in early 2008.:what:

Why my #2 supplier? Because my #1 has the RA45TP in stock but they want as much for it as I currently sale it for. I'm just not prepared to keep raising prices on ammo that already costs too damn much.

Deer Hunter I have more HST 45 on order but I have no idea when it will arrive. I have some 40 and 9mm that will be here this week.

TDSUS
December 5, 2007, 06:59 PM
Look at www.tds-us.com - shameless I know but if your looking, its there.

field70
December 7, 2007, 10:37 PM
www.ammunitiontogo.com

Ordered from them several times..Top notch service.

Bennett Prescott
January 25, 2008, 11:57 AM
TDSUS,

Bought 200 rounds of P45HST2 from you guys. Your website was easy to use, the rounds shipped quickly, and arrived quickly in excellent condition. Thank you.

Zesty
January 25, 2008, 02:17 PM
yes ammunitiontogo is the place for .45 HST! It is still only $23/50 rounds....I just bought 400 more rounds

Ironman
January 25, 2008, 04:00 PM
Hey TDSUS, Do you honor carrer firefighter discounts?

Wild Deuce
May 7, 2008, 11:41 PM
I'm looking for the .38 Special 125 Grain... P38HST1. Has anyone out there seen this yet? Anyone out there selling it ... to non-leo? I've seen it at Kiesler's (http://www.kiesler.com/police/productdetail.aspx?cat=18&pid=21518) but nowhere else.

hotpig
May 8, 2008, 10:44 AM
Federal still has not shipped my order from last July. I will have to see if I put any P38HST1 on that order.

rhyfl
May 9, 2008, 06:48 AM
+1 http://www.ammunitiontogo.com

Just received few hundred rounds of 9mm and 45acp - timely service and good prices.:D

pittspilot
May 9, 2008, 09:35 PM
In one box of 50, I had about 15 serious failures to feed in an XD9 Subcompact The nose of the cartridge dove under the feed ramp causing a serious malfunction that required type 3 malfunction corrective action. In the 50 it seemed to be exacerbated by slow fire or any type of limp wristing, although my sample was too small to exactly identify the problem.

This XD has thousands of round through with everything from 100 grain to 147 grain with no failures.

Just a heads up. If it works in your gun, it seems to be good stuff. I have another box of 50, and I am going to see if it works in my BHP.

mrokern
May 9, 2008, 11:12 PM
Streicher's HQ is a just few miles from me, so I hit their retail store very often. My 92FS is always stocked with HST. Streichers tends to refresh their stock of it as quickly as they can when they run out; it's one type they don't like being out of.

And no, you don't need to be a LEO to purchase it.

-Mark

elderboy02
May 10, 2008, 01:00 AM
I get mine from Streichers. If they don't have it, I go with AmmunitionToGo

finz50
May 12, 2008, 11:44 AM
+1 on TDS

sargenv
May 12, 2008, 11:50 AM
Um.. I thought Federal BOUGHT CCI.. and they are now one company?

WinchesterAA
May 12, 2008, 12:06 PM
Wow...
FEDERAL PREMIUM TACTICAL HST 230grn 45ACP +P - 50 ROUNDS 1

$ 24.00
$ 24.00

Subtotal
$ 24.00

Shipping and Handling
$ 13.31

Order Total (USD)
$ 37.31

From TDS, look at that shipping! More than half the price of the box of ammo!

Dahwg
May 12, 2008, 01:06 PM
I get the 147 gr 9mm HST locally for about $21/box.

JadeRaven
May 13, 2008, 03:36 AM
Anyone know what Kiesler's charges for a case? Just wondering.

finz50
May 14, 2008, 01:07 PM
Tactical Defense Solutions LLC

Print this page for confirmation.

This order information has also been e-mailed to XXXXXXX.

The following payment information has been billed:

Order #: XXXX
Date entered: Wednesday, May 14, 2008
Payment Method: Credit/Debit Card
AMMUNITION PURCHASING STATEMENT YES

Promotion Code: XXXXXXXXX

FEDERAL PREMIUM TACTICAL HST 230grn 45ACP +P - 50 ROUNDS $ 24.00
Quantity: 5
Item total: $ 120.00

Subtotal: $ 120.00
Promotion Discount: - $ 12.00
Shipping and Handling: $ 14.09
Order Total: $ 122.09


Breaks down (with military/LE discount) to $24.42 per box, shipped......the more you buy, the easier it is to justify the shipping......their customer service is great too BTW.

nalioth
May 15, 2008, 10:38 PM
OK, Houston, Texas folks:

Where do you buy these from a brick-and-mortar in the Houston area?

I've been to my local Academy and they only offer HydraShoks...

hotpig
May 15, 2008, 10:42 PM
Most brick and mortar places can not get restricted LE ammo.

NG VI
June 25, 2008, 03:27 PM
From TDS, look at that shipping! More than half the price of the box of ammo!

Buy three or four boxes and it doesn't hurt so bad


Sorry bout the necro

Bennett Prescott
June 25, 2008, 05:31 PM
TDS also regularly offers promotions to past customers that more than eliminate the cost of shipping on a decent order.

Order #: 1657
Date entered: Friday, May 9, 2008
Payment Method: Credit/Debit Card

AMMUNITION PURCHASING STATEMENT YES
Promotion Code: REBATE

FEDERAL PREMIUM TACTICAL HST 230grn 45ACP - 500 ROUNDS $ 255.00
Quantity: 1
Item total: $ 255.00

Subtotal: $ 255.00
Promotion Discount: - $ 25.50
Shipping and Handling: $ 15.56
Order Total: $ 245.06

Oneofsix
June 28, 2008, 07:15 PM
+1 for TDS

Old School
August 13, 2008, 03:54 PM
I have never seen this stuff locally, not even at gun shows. I have always loved the dependability and accuracy of hydroshock, so for me, this is a great new updated product.

nalioth
August 13, 2008, 04:14 PM
I have never seen this stuff locally, not even at gun shows. I have always loved the dependability and accuracy of hydroshock, so for me, this is a great new updated product. It's not that new. It used to be sold under the "Black Talon" name.

Ske1etor
August 13, 2008, 04:23 PM
It's not that new. It used to be sold under the "Black Talon" name.

Incorrect... That would be Winchester Ranger SXT...

The Federal HST is a newer round, HST stands for High Shock Two... Completely different design than the black talon and even the hydrashok.

Pictures of expanded HST's and Black Talons look similar but the precut design in the bullet before firing is different. They are also shaped differently.

nalioth
August 13, 2008, 04:37 PM
Incorrect... That would be Winchester Ranger SXT...

The Federal HST is a newer round, HST stands for High Shock Two... Completely different design than the black talon and even the hydrashok. Well, thanks for the education.

Now where can one buy Winchester SXT or Federal HST in Harris County, Texas? (I'm not picky)

NG VI
August 13, 2008, 05:46 PM
I don't know how easily you will be able to find HST in a shop, since Federal doesn't like their distributors selling to the public.

Old School
August 13, 2008, 05:58 PM
I don't know how easily you will be able to find HST in a shop, since Federal doesn't like their distributors selling to the public.

This is an interesting policy. Are they saying that they can't produce enough of them to supply the police and the public? Are they saying that it is so amazingly powerful that we the people cannot be trusted to have it? Either way, I am not thrilled with that policy out of principle.

NG VI
August 13, 2008, 06:35 PM
It's part of their tactical lineup, so it is sold cheaper than their "civilian" personal defense rounds, with current bullet designs, and full 50-round boxes instead of the little 20-round samplers the PD line has.

No reason to spend $20 on a box of 20 out of date JHP bullets when you can spend $19-24 on a box of 50 current, top of the line duty/defense rounds with only the cost of shipping as a difference.


It's like paying 1998 prices for a Nintendo 64. Why would you do it unless you just really had an aversion to buying online or really loved the 64?

45ACPUSER
August 14, 2008, 07:16 AM
You can walk into Streichers in Plymouth, and they purchase the stuff off the shelf. They are a Federal LE dealer. It makes no difference that the factory is 17 miles away! LOL

Streichers is a good operation! I have gotten stuff shipped frt free when it was in their warehouse rather then the store.

NG VI
August 14, 2008, 09:49 AM
You can walk into Streichers in Plymouth, and they purchase the stuff off the shelf. They are a Federal LE dealer. It makes no difference that the factory is 17 miles away! LOL

Awesome! But I don't have any distributors with a local storefront, so for me it's all internet. My local shops don't carry it, and I see lots of Speer Gold Dot in twenty round boxes, along with PD Hydra-shock in twenty round boxes.

TDSUS
August 15, 2008, 01:31 PM
Might be a little late in the thread, but I wanted to jump in a bit.

First off - THANKS to all who had positives regarding TDS! Much Appreciative!

Second - we've been working hard to get the shipping charge thing under some form of control. The way the site works is that once an order is set up it works with FedEx to get a price based on weight and of course zip code to zip code. From all that it calculates shipping. We don't have a handling charge built in.
Maybe its cause were in New Hampshire and shipping to the other end of the US, but I'm not happy with our shipping rates either.

Most importantly I wanted to extend a discount to members of THR - so should you ever feel the need to shop my site use the code THR and you've got a discount.

I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes or overstepped here - I did ask several moderators before I posted this.

Thanks again for the positives!

John

Happiness Is A Warm Gun
August 15, 2008, 01:43 PM
Another +1 for ammunition to go. They seem to have good supply of HST.

Here is link to the .45ACP 230gr HST
http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php?pName=50rds-45-acp-federal-le-tactical-hst-230gr-hp-ammo

Every time I have checked they are cheapest (when adding in S&H for 500 rounds).

NG VI
August 15, 2008, 04:12 PM
TDSUS- you beat me to the punch, I was about to ask if we could get a THR Discount!


Acutally I am in checkout right now, it isn't working quite yet.

EJSG19
August 15, 2008, 05:05 PM
Same here, tried the code but I imagine it just hasn't updated in TDS's system yet. I'll keep trying.

BTW, been a lurker at the THR for quite some time, this is my first post. Been checking in at THR for good information for quite some time though. Thanks guys and gals.

TDSUS
August 15, 2008, 05:46 PM
Code should be working now - thanks guys

RustyShackelford
August 15, 2008, 05:52 PM
www.natchezss.com

Try it. Some calibers, like .38spl may not be in stock but the prices are good, ;).

Rusty

Quickdraw McGraw
August 23, 2008, 11:33 PM
Code should be working now - thanks guys

Sure is! I just placed an order for 3 boxes of 45 230 gr HST to try out in my P345.

Got some Golden Sabers last week to try. Been wanting to try some HST's too. Glad I found this thread. Thanks for the discount TDSUS - pleasure doing business!

Rokyudai
August 24, 2008, 12:35 PM
Ordered from TDS about 200 rounds of Federal HST's (.45) and took 1/2 of that out yesterday. Although the rain was coming in sideways at the Bullet Hole, I still had a great time playing with this round. Thank you again for superb service and your kindness in offering a discount.

When the Talons come in, you can count on me ordering from you!

Rok

LongRider
August 24, 2008, 04:46 PM
Ammunition To Go (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/) is the only source that I know of that keeps HST and Rangers in stock decent prices and usually have my order in two or three days. Buying in their bulk 500 packages will save all of of money in the long run.
I think these are the the tests done at LEO facilities around the country. That the OP was talking about, in case you are interested. They are downloadable PDF files so you will need Adobe Acrobat to read them if you do not have Adobe Acrobat . You can download it
Here (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html)

Los Angeles County - California (http://le.atk.com/pdf/LosAngelesWBW.pdf)
Riverside - California (http://le.atk.com/pdf/RiversideWBW.pdf)
Santa Clara - California (http://le.atk.com/pdf/SantaClaraWBW.pdf)
Fresno County - California (http://le.atk.com/pdf/FresnoCountyWBW.pdf)
Kern County - California (http://le.atk.com/pdf/KernCountyWBW.pdf)
Sacramento County - California (http://le.atk.com/pdf/SacramentoCountyWBW.pdf)
San Angelo - Texas (http://le.atk.com/pdf/SanAngeloWBW_Report.pdf)
Pierce County Workshop - Washington (http://le.atk.com/pdf/PierceCountyWorkshop.pdf)
San Diego County Workshop - California (http://le.atk.com/pdf/San.pdf)
Portland Police Bureau - Oregon (http://le.atk.com/pdf/PortlandWoundBallisticReport1.pdf)

Here are links to pages with some pretty dramatic pics of different SD ammo from a two different sites. Nothing like seeing the expansion difference side by side. Lots of 9mm pics
ballistics testing - round 1 - varied 9mm JHP's
ballistics testing - round 2 - varied 9mm JHP's (http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-2.html)
ballistics testing - round 3 - varied 9mm JHP's - shooting through tshirts (http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-3.html)
ballistics testing - round 5 - comparing 9mm JHP velocities (http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-5.html)
ballistics testing - round 6 - Federal HST 9mm vs 45 acp (http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-6.html)
ballistics testing - round 7 - shooting through denim - 9 mm, 45 acp, and 357 magnum (http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-7.html)

Terminal Ballistics .45 ACP (http://stevespages.com/page8f45acp.html)
Terminal Ballistics 9mm (http://stevespages.com/page8f9mmluger.html)

There is also a rather informative thread here with pics over at Defensive Carry Federal HST vs, Hydra-Shock pics (http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/defensive-ammunition-ballistics/48780-federal-hst-vs-hydra-shock-pics-40s-w-2.html)

n5odj
August 24, 2008, 07:10 PM
I'd sure like to get some of these HSTs in .357mag, but I've never seen them in that caliber. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Robert in the hills of Tennessee

LongRider
August 24, 2008, 10:37 PM
Based on Federal's (http://le.atk.com/general/federalproducts/pistol/tacticalhst.aspx) website they only make HST for 357 sig no 357 mag. I would go with Remington Golder Sabers (http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php?pName=250rds-357-mag-remington-golden-saber-125gr-hp-ammo&cName=357-magnum-hollow-point-ammo). I know it sucks. Sucks too that they don't make 380 either. Remington Golder Sabers (http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php?pName=250rds-357-mag-remington-golden-saber-125gr-hp-ammo&cName=357-magnum-hollow-point-ammo) are an excellent round. The one I would and do use when HST are not available.

It's part of their tactical lineup, so it is sold cheaper than their "civilian" personal defense rounds, with current bullet designs, and full 50-round boxes instead of the little 20-round samplers the PD line has.
Not sure I understand this this is designated as their LEO/PD ammo

Stevie-Ray
August 24, 2008, 11:22 PM
Most importantly I wanted to extend a discount to members of THR - so should you ever feel the need to shop my site use the code THR and you've got a discount.Now that's sweet!:D Think I'll have a look see.

Zesty
August 25, 2008, 12:17 AM
Just do no one makes the same mistake I did, the Winchester SXT that is sold in black boxes(civilian stuff) is NOT the same as the LE Ranger-T. You want the Ranger, the SXT in the black box is garbage in comparison. Neither looks very much like HST when expanded, IMHO.

Wild Deuce
August 25, 2008, 08:59 PM
I'd sure like to get some of these HSTs in .357mag, but I've never seen them in that caliber. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Robert in the hills of Tennessee

I've only heard of .38 Special +P. I have not seen it available anywhere for civilian purchase and only in one place for LEO purchase. I've been trying real hard to get a box myself.

LongRider
August 25, 2008, 09:00 PM
Just do no one makes the same mistake I did, the Winchester SXT that is sold in black boxes(civilian stuff) is NOT the same as the LE Ranger-T. You want the Ranger, the SXT in the black box is garbage in comparison. Neither looks very much like HST when expanded, IMHO.
I bought couple hundred rounds each of LE Rangers in .45 and 380. The mistake is using Rangers period IMO.

Zesty
August 25, 2008, 09:40 PM
^What makes you say that?

LongRider
August 26, 2008, 02:28 AM
^What makes you say that?
See my links on post 50 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4847706&postcount=50)
and based on my own tests. Attached is a rather meager caparisons of HST to Rangers & Golden Sabers wish I had some expanded Ranger .45 left when I took that pic but when I tested had them I was so ticked and shot them all up at targets. They performed like the 380 pictured larger of course but not nearly as large as the HST or Golden Sabers.


Edited to add: I don't see my attachment did it not post or am I missing something??

LongRider
August 26, 2008, 03:18 AM
Federal Tactical Bonded. It is the premium version while the HST is the "budget" version.
On Federal's web page (http://le.atk.com/general/federalproducts/pistol/default.aspx), Tactical Bonded (http://le.atk.com/general/federalproducts/pistol/tacticalbonded.aspx) and Tactical HST (http://le.atk.com/general/federalproducts/pistol/tacticalhst.aspx) are listed as two completely different rounds unrelated to each other. Tactical Bonded is designed for greater penetration through barriers Tactical HST is designed for greater expansion and accuracy. They both are the same price at Ammunition To Go (http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php?cName=45-acp-hollow-point-ammo)

Zesty
August 26, 2008, 10:58 AM
^Your link posted fine. I agree with you and also chose HST over the Rangers. I don't think it's bad ammo at all, just that there is better for cheaper.

One thing that turned me off the Tactical Bonded was that every single bullet I recovered lost a decent amoutn of weight. I don't see why they would lose so much being a bonded bullet. Speer Gold Dots hold together better for me.

hotpig
August 26, 2008, 11:10 AM
Thats correct LongRider . Tactical Bonded has been around a long time and has street credibility. I have been selling it since 1999. HST has only been out about seven years.

The HST shares nothing other than product line with the Bonded ammo. HST is a direct decedent of the PMC Star Fire.

Originally HST was packaged in the Classic box and was to replace the Hi Shock Classic ammo. It looked real good in jello but was crap in the streets and was recalled.

Federal changed the HST from the Classic line to the Premium line. They stopped calling it Hi Shock Two and stuck with HST.


In 2006 Federal started following Winchester lead in consolidating all of its LE ammo into one product line.

Until then the Tac Bonded was the only load called Tactical. They move the HST, EFMJ,and Hydra-Shock to the Tactical product line. Also several rifle and shot gun loads were added to the line.

HST has had a hard life and Federal kept bouncing it around on us Dealers. It has been largely ignored by the LE Community until the last three years.

The breaking point was the Peirce County test. Federal put up their second generation HST against Winchesters "scab made" Ranger ammo. HST won a large contract and the 9mm 147gr is starting to gain some street credibility. Other weights and calibers still have no street credibility but that will come in time.

Winchester was served some humble pie and now settles Union Contracts before picket lines go up. There has been no more 17.00 per hour scab labor since then.

Winchester also took the T-Series back to R&D for Enhancements to compete against the HST.

Winchester also received a big boost by winning the DOJ contract for their 60gr 223 Partition round. Then they won two of the largest contract in history for their Bonded 9mm and 40 caliber loads.

Looks like the FBI has embraced the Bonded ammo over traditional hp designs.

LongRider
September 28, 2008, 05:24 PM
Thats correct LongRider . Tactical Bonded has been around a long time and has street credibility. I have been selling it since 1999. HST has only been out about seven years .......SNIP.......
Winchester also took the T-Series back to R&D for Enhancements to compete against the HST.

Thanks for the history info was not aware of any of that. Are you saying that Rangers have significantly improved in the last six months? I know that all Ranger ammo I tried this year did not come close to looking like what they advertise. It all came out looking like rather small generic HP that separated with none of the famed talons or petals. HST on the other hand are down right wicked. Honestly amazed at the results I have seen. Looking at an expanded 230 grain HST makes my skin crawl. Its consistency is most impressive If .45 HST lack street creds my guess is not enough people have been hit with them for the word to get out. Once a few folks get hit with 230 grain HST it will have plenty street creds IMO

BTW an aside weren't Winchester reps there when they did the tests at the LEO facilities? My impression was all of the manufactures reps for the ammo tested were at each of the tests

I tried several hundred dollars worth of T- Series and as I have said was very disappointed. I used to carry Golden Saber for the longest time than decided to try Rangers and bought 500 rounds. Bad mistake. So the search for new carry ammo began by the time I decided on HST and bought 500 rounds of them. I had spent nearly a grand on selecting my new carry ammo. Still I remain curious about any ammo improvements going on. Even though I have no intention of changing and restocking any time soon

hotpig
September 28, 2008, 06:11 PM
T-Series ammo has been out of production for the most part since mid 2006. Thats why you can not hardly find any.

Early this year they did a production run on the new T ammo but it was not enough to fill their back orders. The only way to tell if you had the new is they removed SXT from the box and put T Series on it. So far I only received the RA40T and the RA380T in the new Enhansed version.

Most of what I have been receiving this last year is the Ranger jhp and the new bonded jhp.

LongRider
September 28, 2008, 11:58 PM
So we don't know how the newer versions perform yet. It will be interesting to see if they live up to the hype. May give it awhile and try some out. For now HST is what I am betting my families life on and Golden Sabers in the Bersa. Have a couple of boxes of 380 Rangers that are staying in the box

Bennett Prescott
September 29, 2008, 12:40 AM
I just bought 4 boxes of Ranger T series from Tactical Defense Solutions, the guys I get my HST from as well, in .380 Auto for my little LCP. They have just got a big shipment in. Great to do business with and they ship fast.

Quickdraw McGraw
September 29, 2008, 06:53 AM
I just bought 4 boxes of Ranger T series from Tactical Defense Solutions, the guys I get my HST from as well, in .380 Auto for my little LCP. They have just got a big shipment in. Great to do business with and they ship fast.

+1 on Tactical Defense Solutions (http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/pg10243). That THR discount is nice too!! :D

LongRider
September 29, 2008, 09:11 AM
The only way to tell if you had the new is they removed SXT from the box and put T Series on it. So far I only received the RA40T and the RA380T in the new Enhansed version.
Correction that is what I have 380 AUTOMATIC 95 GR. T-SERIES RA380T, The .45 was marked same. It is what separated and had such poor expansion that I ended up using it as practice ammo. HST so out performed it, I did keep the old Golden Sabers.

Does look like Tactical Defense Solutions (http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/pg10243) has some decent prices on par with Ammunition To Go (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/) will have to check them out next go around. Wish someone would beat Wally Worlds practice ammo prices

RDut
January 8, 2009, 05:49 PM
Are the HST rounds still available or did Federal discontinue them? Looking for 9mm 124 grain.

LongRider
January 9, 2009, 01:15 AM
Have you checked Tactical Defense Solutions (http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/pg10243) and Ammunition To Go (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/)? I know Ammunition To Go (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/) has just gotten more in stock. ATG (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/) used to have a 2 0r 3 day turn around but now there might be 2 or 3 weeks before you get it though because there is a run on ammo everywhere since the Obomanation was elected. Yes of course Federal is still making it it is their best SD ammo. IMO the best SD made by anyone. They would be insane to stop making it

RDut
January 10, 2009, 12:26 AM
Thanks fo the info LongRider

Tactical Defense said they hope to have some mid week and Ammunition To Go does have some

I just want to make sure it will be available in the future. Don't want to start using it and then it is discontinued

KegCommando
January 10, 2009, 11:49 AM
I've been checking the 3 sites just about everyday for the last several weeks, and 147gr 9mm is never in.

I'm about to give up and go through the expensive and painful process of switching to something more easily obtainable.

LongRider
January 12, 2009, 05:05 AM
RDur & KegCommando
The only reason there is any delay is there is a run on ammo across the board because of the Obamanation. HST is proving to be the best of the best premier SD ammo so of course production is having a hard time keeping up.

Why not just pick up a 500 round box or two if you plan on doing a huge amount of SD shooting. I mean you are going to do your 200 rounds or so of reliability testing but after that how often are you going to be shooting your SD rounds? Ammo will last decades if properly stored. I have shot Korean war era ammo that functioned perfectly. Now a days if you are worried you can vacuum pack the ammo and drop it in the bottom of the ocean and it will be fine when you drag it back up when everyone else is using ray guns.

Pick up a case here and there and you should be fine even if the Obamanation destroys the country and SHTF. If you place an order with ATF they will get it to you ASP.

Drundel
April 5, 2009, 09:05 PM
I've been complacent in ammo since my last gun purchase (Sig 220ST about 4 years ago) so I haven't kept up with new developments, but after getting a Glock 20SF, I thought I would catch up, wow, I want the HST. That is one bad round! :what:

TDS and ammo2go are out as of now for the ones I am looking for, 165 .40 and +P .45.

Those are some super impressive bullets. Does anyone know designed the bullets? Burczynski?

LongRider
April 8, 2009, 04:01 PM
Right now we are all pretty much SOL right now. As you know folks are waking up loading up and there is a severe ammo shortage everywhere. Your best bet is keep on checking Tactical Defense Solutions (http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/pg10243) and Ammunition To Go (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/)? Both have proven to be reliable sources in the past my bet is they will be the first to have it as it becomes available

Kangspec
April 22, 2009, 02:19 AM
i know this will be little off the topic, but is HST steel case or brass? because i heard steel case is harder on guns than brass?

And is it lead or copper?

Seven For Sure
April 22, 2009, 09:25 AM
Just tried to order some ammo from Tactical Defense Solutions. THR discount is no longer valid.

LongRider
April 23, 2009, 01:14 AM
Most all premium self defense ammunition are copper jacketed lead rounds in a steel case. I have shot thousands of rounds of steel cased ammo in my guns and it has never ever been a issue. I believe the issue with steel cases is for reloading. I am not sure of the reasons why that is as I do not reload. Maybe some of those here that do reload can provide the specific reasons why steel cases are a problem to reload

Kind of Blued
April 23, 2009, 01:28 AM
Most all premium self defense ammunition are copper jacketed lead rounds in a steel case.

That's not true.

Most all premium self defense ammunition are copper jacketed lead rounds in a steel brass or nickel-plated brass case.

Also, Cor-Bon has been very successful marketing self-defense/hunting ammunition with non-lead bullets, all copper if I remember correctly.

Bennett Prescott
April 23, 2009, 10:42 AM
The HST round is a brass case that has been nickel plated so that it is easier to see.

Kind of Blued
April 24, 2009, 05:58 AM
The HST round is a brass case that has been nickel plated so that it is easier to see.

Did somebody tell you that?

lvcat2004
April 24, 2009, 10:02 PM
Most all premium self defense ammunition are copper jacketed lead rounds in a steel case

what?

Kangspec
April 26, 2009, 08:53 PM
oh okay, thats why it's silver color.(coated)

so back to the real question. is it still LE only? or still can order by web with out letter. what the deal?

btw: i was google'ing and found this

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1148757 ?????

TehK1w1
April 26, 2009, 10:44 PM
The silver cases are nickel-plated brass. Steel cases are generally dull, not shiny, and are often laquer-coated.

Bennett Prescott
April 27, 2009, 01:10 PM
The HST round is a brass case that has been nickel plated so that it is easier to see.
Did somebody tell you that?
Federal told me that.

remington79
April 29, 2009, 03:32 AM
They're nickel coated to help insure reliable feeding.

SometimeIWill
May 5, 2009, 10:37 PM
Has anyone heard when more .45 HST might be available on any website and if so which sight?

TDSUS
May 6, 2009, 08:49 AM
The flow traditionally is this:

Manufacturer to Distributor to Dealer

With HST and other "duty" ammo you add in these steps:
Manufacturer to...
Agencies/Department then to
Distributors to
Agencies, Department, LEO Dealers

That said the flow right now has DRAMATICALLY changed.
Distributors have been told NOT to sell to LEO Dealers. Most (all I know of) are following this for fear of loosing the ability to sell ANY Federal/ATK products.
Federal is requiring that if a dealer has an order from a department, they must provide a departmental PO to either Federal or the distributor and the order will then ship DIRECTLY to the ordering agency.

The lead time for P40HST1 is NINE months as of 5/4/09. As an additional FYI .380 will be available "first quarter 2010" according to Federal/ATK. For those of you who dont know ATK owns Federal, Speer, CCI (HST, Gold Dot, Blazer, Hydra Shok, and everything not made by Winchester or Remington)

So - although it may create discussion, it is a waste of time asking when it will be available. No one know for sure. Anyone of us lucky enough to have ANYTHING on the site has massive back orders with distributors. Occasionally something will roll in on the UPS truck, but until that happens we have no idea its coming.

One of the top distributors nationwide had exactly 600 boxes of ammunition on their racks. Most of it was 500 something or other. This in a 37 thousand square foot warehouse.............

Endyo
July 10, 2009, 02:20 AM
TDS...I was curious do you still offer the discount for THR members? I tried using it on your site yesterday and it didn't seem to work for me.

yeti
July 10, 2009, 03:48 AM
TDS...I was curious do you still offer the discount for THR members? I tried using it on your site yesterday and it didn't seem to work for me.


That ended a few months ago.

Endyo
July 12, 2009, 09:33 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I'm just not finding out.

Endyo
July 12, 2009, 09:50 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I just found out.

I surfed this thread after it didn't work to see if TDS stopped the special. :o

I must have missed Seven For Sure's post until you mentioned it!

Thanks Yeti.

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