anyone have experence with these? worth the money? was looking at one today seems to be pretty cool:D. anyone have any experence/input about them would be great. mostly would be used for target, coyotes and a slight chance of a pig or 2?.might be the next purchase:evil:
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August 11, 2006, 01:34 PM
The Bushie is a nice rig, but take a look at this one:
Not sure what the Bushie sells for, but I have a Clark 10/22 and it is a tack driver!
August 11, 2006, 02:21 PM
Best idea for an AR-15, if you ask me.
The experience I've had with them leads me to say it is by far the most accurate semi-auto "sniper" rifle I've messed with. If .223 is your thing, GO FOR IT! It shoots every bit as good as my friend's Savage heavy barrel police model .223 bolt action. Recoil is very minimal if not nonexstant. Not had a misfeed yet, but I've only used decent ammo.
Definately suitable for any varmint hunting you'd want and a very, very sexy set-up.
You'd do well to buy one if you have any use for it.
August 11, 2006, 03:19 PM
Best idea for an AR-15, if you ask me.
What does the Bushmaster Varmint Special Rifle sell for?
My grandson has a Bushie CMP Match and it shoots quite well; trigger has a lot of creep, however. Does the VS have an improved trigger in it? If so, I'm sure it would make a fine coyote rifle.
I currently use an FP10 Savage for coyote callling, and it is a great shooting rifle, but have been eyeballing the Clark for the quick 2nd shot capability when we call in a double.:evil:
August 11, 2006, 04:12 PM
Varminters usually run in the mid $1500s, I think. A bit more or a bit less, depending on if its used and the accessories you're getting with it.
Don't hold me to it, but I think it has a 2-stage match trigger. I know its a wonderful trigger, for sure.
That Savage FP10 is the .223 bolt action my friend has. It's a magnificent rifle, but the Varminter keeps up with her every bit. Very surprising for a semi-auto format... Very impressive if you ask me...
August 11, 2006, 04:28 PM
here is the link:
this is one sweet looking gun. trying to decide if its worth sellin the m4......(otherwise gotta wait a while:uhoh: )
saw it a gander mtn the other day for like 1200$
August 11, 2006, 04:37 PM
No question about the AR 15 platform being an excellent basis for a most accurate rifle. Given a good trigger I would not be a bit surprised that it shoots sub moa. or better with good ammo. I think the Clark is guaranteed .5moa IIRC.
I would have thought the CMP Match would have had a better trigger than this particular rifle has. May just be a quality control problem?? It is a 2 stage trigger; don't know if it's adjustable or not but if feels as if it has a bit of sand in it.:(
Also found correct link to Clark Gator:
August 11, 2006, 11:44 PM
The Bushie is a nice rig, but take a look at this one:
The Gator is twice the Bushy and GURANTEED .5 MOA. Just get a RRA lower for $200 and mate it to a Gator upper and you have money left over for a Jewell trigger.......and you still haven't broken $1100 ($400 for scope....)!
I have a RRA Varmint (http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=AR1500X&storeid=1&image=06va4.gif&CFID=8980624&CFTOKEN=80453420). Yes, it's VERY accurate. But for hunting? Unless you are bringing a bench with you, I don't think it's the best solution. It's heavy, and you are not going to be able to tap into it's accuracy without a good rest. So, it depends on how you hunt. If you're popping prairie dogs at 200 yards either from the bed or off the hood of your truck, bingo, this is your gun. If you need to hike out into the field and use a traditional bipod, I think there are better solutions. RRA now makes a "Predator Pursuit Rifle" and a "Coyote Rifle" that are both at least a pound lighter, and I'm sure balance better... maybe even well enough to take a shot off-hand should the opportunity arise.
Yes, they are crazy accurate, but IMHO their overall usefulness and flexibility is extremely limited. I'm now either going to get a standard HBAR 20" upper for mine, or possibly sell it. YMMV.
I have had mine for over a month and have been very impressed with its accuracy. I have mounted GEN2+ night vision and a 1.5x6 Burris signature Series scope, Both on A.R.M.S. Mounts, zero does not change between optics. This firearm is one of the finest I have ever owned!
January 29, 2007, 12:44 AM
The CLark Gator IS guranteed for .5 MOA. Mine does that and more. Not to mention that you can watch the hits in the scope.....more features/less cost. Spend the extra $300 on a trigger. Mine wears a Jewell.
Well, contrary to my own suggestions, I found a deal on an "almost new" Bushmaster Predator that I couldn't refuse, and have been extremely happy with the choice. I'm sure the Clark is a fine rifle, but for the difference in price of my almost new Predator, I'm happy with my choice. It has taken a number of bobcats and coyotes, shoots under 1/2" 5 shot groups @ 100 and has not hiccuped one time.
The Predator is same specs as the Varmint Special except it has a 20" barrel; ideal length/weight for a calling rifle IMHO. It has taken the place of my FP10 as it is much lighter, better ballanced for carrying in the field, and the fast followup shot is extremely valuable when fortunate enough to call in a pair of coyotes.:D
January 29, 2007, 10:55 AM
White Oak Armament (http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/complete_uppers.htm)
They have a complete varmint upper for $590...includes charging handle & BCG.
Their product will not disappoint. 1/2 MOA at 100 yards.
I also have a RRA Varmint 20" upper on the way. I am sold on RRAs and no longer own Bushys or....GASP....Colts.
January 29, 2007, 11:18 PM
My wife just bought me one last week. I shot it this weekend for the first time and was very impressed. This trigger is match grade two stage and it is excellent. It cost $1095.00 and $350 for a Nikon 6x19 scope. It now has a bi-pod and military sling. It's not as sexy as my wife but there was this dream last night!!!!!
January 29, 2007, 11:50 PM
The Bushmaster two stage trigger sucks no matter what rifle it's in.
Keep it spotless, lubed and adjusted exactly as the directions say for best results. Do a through cleaning on the fire control group every 2-300 rounds as well.
April 2, 2007, 05:30 PM
My Bushmaster Predator is very accurate. I have a BSA Platinum Mil Dot Illuminated Reticle 6-24 X 44 scope and a cheapo Wal Mart bipod. I did have a problem. Initially, my rifle was short stroking. After every round (using NATO SS109 62gr bullets) I had to pull the charging handle back to chamber the next round. I contacted Mr Eden of Bushmaster Technical Support who quickly identified my problem and had me send back my upper receiver group, to have the gas block adjusted. They had my predator back in about 2 weeks and bingo, absolutely no problems. All's well here. Used both bushaster and AR Stoner magazines with outstanding results.
April 2, 2007, 08:00 PM
I have a 24" Varminter Bushmaster and it is very easy to shoot accurately. Mine shoots 0". Yep bullets on top of bullets. Just joking. It seems all of the Varmint style ARs are super accurate. I would like to hear how one is so much better than the other as a few people have stated.
I think the two stage trigger on the Varminter is really good as it is. I guess there is better stuff out there.
April 2, 2007, 08:37 PM
I've got a Bushmaster Predator as well. The thing is scary accurate and I like thetwo stage trigger on mine it has got no creep it's crisp and it's just light enough for field work.
I recommend it.
The Annoyed Man
January 3, 2008, 09:08 AM
I just bought a Bushmaster Varminter a few days ago. I will probably shoot it on Saturday for the first time. I topped it with a Burris XTR 3-12x50mm mil dot scope.
Current list price (as of December 29th, 2007) for this rifle is $1325.00. I paid $962.00 for mine at a going out of business sale at Sportsmans Warehouse. Current list price on the scope is $1177.00. I bought mine at the same going out of business sale for $575.00. Total savings over list was $965.00 on the package.
If this baby shoots .5" or better at 100 yards, I'm a happy camper. Everything I've read about it indicates that it will. I picked up some Federal Gold Match 69 gr SMKs at Cheaper than Dirt's local store because I wanted to use a known good cartridge for establishing this rifle's benchmarks before I start reloading for it.
Pics can be seen here: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4037390#post4037390.
January 3, 2008, 10:06 AM
Bought a Varminter about three months ago and, shooting remanufactured ammo, can shoot 1" groups at 100 yds from the bench with a Harris bipod. Paid $1400 for a new rifle with a decent Bushnell scope. Keep it clean and it will be all the rifle you need for coyotes and other varmints.
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January 3, 2008, 10:54 AM
White Oak makes some sweet uppers. And lowers. I shot a buddy's at steel plates at 500m, it was bang - clank. The ACOG helped too, but still sweet.
March 18, 2008, 04:43 PM
It's probably one of the most accurate and best AR/15 type rifles I have ever shot. The $1200 dollar price tag is well worth it.
At a hundred yards I can constantly place groups well under half inch MOA..almost one hole at times with handloads. my .55 grain Nosler Ballistic tip handloads are deadly accurate in this rifle, packs amazing groups up to 300 yards with my Leupold Tactical scope. I've hit many a groundhog at 400 even 500 yards with higher grain rounds. I've even done some serious long range shooting on man size targets at our farm in PA and it can easily hit targets at 800 plus yards if you know what your doing with your optics.
The heavy fluted barrel on it works wonders. you can fire numerous rounds and keep the heat to a minimum on it and it still keeps quite a bit of accuracy when the barrel does heat up.. The 2 stage trigger is awesome, the factory settings on it were perfect for me and 3 1/2 then 1 pound setting. but you can change it easily if you want.
This weapon has a longer throat in it as well as you can shoot higher grain 5.56 military type rounds as well, not just you .223 plinkers.
The U.S. military has some snipers that use this same weapon basically with a schmitt and bender Optics overseas right now. That pretty much says it all to me on how well this weapon can handle.
It's a bit on the heavy side compared to your standard AR-15 weighing almost 9-10 pounds with optics mounted but, then again the heavier the better for accuracy.
I ordered mine directly from Bushmaster, they throw in a gun case and 1 magazine
can't beat it. I would not even think about trying another company for varmint hunting or long range shooting.
March 18, 2008, 06:24 PM
they throw in a gun case and 1 magazine
Well, that's big of them, getting a magazine and all. :rolleyes:
March 18, 2008, 06:50 PM
This is a picture of my Bushie Varminter with two groups shot at 268 (lasered) yards. Handloads were 50 gr Nosler BT's over 26.0 Varget, WW cases, Fed Match primers. Trigger is VERY nice. Rifle has a 6.5x20 Leo VX-III
I had a Rem 700 in .223 for coyote hunting. After seeing the Bushie shoot, I sold the bolt to a friend. Taking the AR on a PD hunt this spring. Should be the ticket.
I have the Bushmaster Varmint Special. It is my single go to gun. Crazy accurate and will feed everything I have tried so far without fail. With the handloads it likes, it is always .5 or less and longer range is great as well also.