brand new remington 870 got stuck...

[loonie]

I took my brand new(still remains some lubes on some parts,friend of mine said no problem..) remington 870 express super magnum combos in the range,put 4 rounds 2-3/4" 7-1/2 size shot in. boom....shell can not be ejected out:mad: finally friend disassembled the barrel.... tried again,some situation happened:what:

what's going on here? something wrong with my gun or ammo?:banghead:

[No_Brakes23]

Same thing happened to me with the same shotgun a couple years ago. Second round out, the forend wouldn't budge. After a few hard jerks, it ejected the round, and has been running fine since. Not sure why it did that, and I'm not sure why it hasn't done it since.

Some times the follower sticks when the last round in the magazine is coming out.

[Superpsy]

hmmm, that is weird. And I'm sure disconcerting...

Couple of questions/suggestions...*
1. did you try dry firing and shucking the pump before using live ammo?
2. try cycling and ejecting a couple of unfired shells...
3. take it apart, clean and lube it up.
4. how hard were you shucking back the pump? You won't hurt it if you do it hard. :)


*as always adhere to safety rules

[TECH79]

My mossberg 590 did that a few times..

[loonie]

hmmm, that is weird. And I'm sure disconcerting...

Couple of questions/suggestions...*
1. did you try dry firing and shucking the pump before using live ammo?
2. try cycling and ejecting a couple of unfired shells...
3. take it apart, clean and lube it up.
4. how hard were you shucking back the pump? You won't hurt it if you do it hard.


1. yes,everything fine.
2. it's also fine.
3. actually, for this new shotgun,I didn't clean and lube it up before firing:o maybe that caused this incident?
4. hard enough,but still not working:mad:

[gak]

I've had this happen with the cheapest ammo my supplier stocks. All of the mid-priced and premium stuff always cycles.

When shooting the cheap stuff, I just try to remember to rack harder then usual.

[bclark1]

i've had sticks with supermag shells that push the length limits of the chamber, but never normal 2 3/4". the nice thing about pumps is they're hard to break, and shells are made of malleable material, so (in my limited experience) just jamming it 'til it opens has been alright. of course i'm sure a smith's going to come back at me here and tell me my gun is going to kb next time i shoot it now :uhoh:
no it's happened less as i've had it longer, too. my first time patterning for turkey with 3 1/2"ers i got several stuck. this season i put a box of supermags down between patterning and hunting without a problem. maybe it's just a break-in?

[HMMurdock]

Same thing happened to me once with a brand spakin' new 870 Marine Magnum. The problem was a burr or two in the chamber that becomes a problem when the shell is fired and therefore expands. I contacted Remington and they had me send it to one of their suggested gunsmiths and it was fixed without a hitch and never did that again.

I was shaky on trusting it, but it worked just fine. I've owned three brand new remingtons since and never had another problem.

It's upsetting that that seems to be somewhat of a reoccurring problem, but the 870 is worth it. Just prop the buttstock and try to pump it as hard as you can and it should eject the shell (don't worry, it shouldn't break anything). Contact Remington or find a local gunsmith you can trust to search for burrs and fix her up for you. Trust me, she's worth the effort!

TRL

[DirtyBrad]

Was it all the same type of ammo? I have the same gun and it hates PMC 2 3/4". Very difficult to eject. I don't buy expensive stuff, just stay away from that particular brand now.

[Lee Lapin]

I took my brand new(still remains some lubes on some parts,friend of mine said no problem..)
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RTFM.

Remington says clean thoroughly before shooting. New guns are treated with a preservative before leaving the factory, it can be sticky under heat and pressure of firing, especially in the barrel/chamber. Clean it thoroughly with solvent and a bronze brush, then try again. If it's still sticky it's likely the ammo- change brands and see if that fixes it.

If not, it's likely time for a trip back to the seller for warranty work.

hth,

lpl/nc

[One of Many]

I had the same problem with a pump action shotgun; cleaning did not help. I had to use a cleaning rod down the muzzle to eject each empty shell. Took it to a gunsmith; he said the timing was a bit off, and he adjusted it. It has worked normally since then.

[HMMurdock]

I'm thinking an 870 shouldnt be "ammo picky". It should eat anything you feed it. Thus is the reasoning behind a pump. I'd have a gunsmith look at it, be it timing or burrs or anything else I'm inclined to think something is wrong if it isn't utterly reliable.

TRL

[9mmMike]

Clean the chamber. If it still happens, 000 wool on a dowel, chucked up in a drill for the chamber. This is assuming that you do not have a visible burr in there.
I've had this trouble with several new 870 barrels, all Express models. The guns all work fine when I put my "already-working-OK" barrels on.
I've no idea what the "timing" thing is about. I'd love to know what exactly a smith does to alter it and what they charged for this work.
Never ever shoot a new gun that has not been cleaned. That shipping/storage coating is for preservation only and not a good lube. Not at all. Very bad advice you were given to shoot without cleaning IMHO.
Mike

[ArmedBear]

I'm thinking an 870 shouldnt be "ammo picky". It should eat anything you feed it.

Actually, the chamber in my 870 is made to spec.

The cheap Winchester ammo at Wal-Mart seems not to be. Some if the bases are too big, and they stick in a chamber that is sized correctly.

Remington ammo, any kind, feeds great. Federal, too. Most Winchester is fine, as long as you don't get the cheap bulk stuff.

I have a gauge for shotshell bases, since I reload. It's interesting what you find, sometimes.

My Browning break-action is more forgiving of oversized shells; on the other hand, that means they expand more when fired, so the bases may not last for as many reloadings.

[Lee Lapin]

I'm thinking an 870 shouldnt be "ammo picky". It should eat anything you feed it. Thus is the reasoning behind a pump.
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In a perfect world, that would indeed be the case.

You'll have to look hard to find a bigger 870 fan around here than yours truly, save for moderator Dave. But the truth is, I love 'em warts and all, and there ARE sometimes warts.

It ain't a perfect world after all.

Per example, I took Louis Awerbucks 3-day basic shotgun class in May. The course material said bring a spare gun, I did. I also brought a basic 870 tool kit (both guns were 870s), and an assortment of spare parts including a spare bolt assembly and slide and a spare trigger plate. I had run both guns a good bit prior to the class, both were sighted in with the slugs I carried, both were patterning acceptably with the buckshot I carried, both ran OK with the birdshot I was using (Remington Sport Loads, 3- 1 1/8- 8).

I've read a number of class reviews from people who took shooting classes from various instructors. A surprising number of people show up at classes with new guns, unfamiliar gear, untested ammo- and had problems with these items. I always swore I'd never do that, no not me.

Well, on the way to Durham Pistol and Rifle Club for the class, we stopped by Ed's Gun Shop in Southern Pines, NC. Lo and behold, Ed had some 1 ounce loads of Fiocchi birdshot. I'd been looking for lighter loads than the Remingtons but the selection around here is pretty limited. I bought two flats of the Fiocchis and we went on to Durham. Hey, you go to class to learn stuff, right?

Everything went fine with the Fiocchi birdshot till we got to some of the more demanding drills on the first afternoon of class. The gun I was shooting was an Express, fitted with Police gun walnut furniture and an 18" RS IC Police gun barrel. It had a 6-shot Sidesaddle, a sling, a light rail for an Streamlight M3 detachable light and tritium inserts in the sights. The gun had run fine with the birdshot all day.

Then the gun got hot, while shooting one of everyone's favorite drills, Rolling Thunder. That's a 15- round drill, fired pretty fast. It started sticking, seizing up, failing to extract/eject no matter how hard I tried to shuck it. I am a right good size and carry a good bit of beef, and stuff I set my mind to move generally moves. Not this time. After the gun cooled down a bit it was OK, but when it was hot, it stuck shut.

I swapped bolts on break, thinking that might help. No joy when I test fired it with a different (pre- headspaced) bolt and the same ammo. I tried ammo from a couple of classmates- no problems. Louis said to swap guns, so I broke out the backup and heated it up with a fast 15 rounds of the same ammo. No problems. I ran the rest of the class with the backup gun, no problems.

That was with the supposed cream of the cream Police gun barrel, mind you. Note that this barrel runs fine with everything else I have ever shot through it, before and since. This barrel is on one of the house guns, you better believe I made sure it runs with the buck and slug loads it is usually loaded with.

But it just doesn't like Fiocchi. It runs the Remington Sport loads fine, I could have changed ammo since I had the Remington along, and finished the class with that gun. But the Remington ammo bumped a little harder in recoil, and we were shooting several hundred rounds in fairly short order. I elected to shoot up the Fiocchi out of a gun that would run it. BTW, the other gun was a straight Express HD model, parkerized, with its original 18" barrel with forcing cone lengthened and choke tubes installed (Skeet 1 choke in place), Speedfeed II furniture, ghost ring sights, sling, a 2-round TacStar magazine extension, Sidesaddle and a light rail installed. Neither of these barrels was new, both had been thoroughly cleaned more than once.

Yet one ran the Fiocchi with nary a hiccup, the other one STILL won't run it when it's hot, even after having its chamber honed a bit.

Go figure...

Moral of the story- START with a clean dry chamber. If you get sticky extraction, change ammo. If you still have sticky extraction, you have a problem that either the factory or a 'smith needs to attend to.

One more thing FYI. Remember you are shooting an 870, not a Winchester 1300. If you are pulling back hard and steadily on the forearm when the trigger breaks on an 870, the action WILL NOT unlock. It's designed not to do that as a safety feature. The forearm has to be 'bumped' forward a fraction of an inch by recoil to unlock the bolt when the gun is fired. You want a 'Speed Pump, you gotta get a Winchester or an FN.

Like I said- it ain't a perfect world. But a good 870 comes as close to being a perfect shotgun as any normal person is apt to need.

lpl/nc

[Lone Star]

I had the same experience with an M-870 Wingmaster in 20 gauge several years ago. I think inspection and quality control have dropped at Remington.

My current 12 ga. Wingmaster has functioned fine...so far! But I haven't shot it much.

Lone Star

[loonie]

my shotgun(870 express supermagnum combos) ejected the empty shell fine when I used another winchester 2-3/4" 12 Gauge shell...
it seems something bad with the ammo....wait,a friend of mine has same shotgun(870 express supermagnum synthetic), his shotgun ejected my crappy shell just acceptablely( a little bit stuck,but still worked).
then it's time to make conclusion? no, too soon to do it. we exchanged the barrel, same thing happened(for his shotgun,it's ok,for mine,it's jam) though the empty shell always stuck in the chamber(end of the barrel). so that's something wrong with the "timing system" ? we also tested fire 3-1/2" shot(that's much easier to get stuck than in 2-3/4"),even his shotgun got stuck but still worked,for my shotgun,just stuck there,no way to move anything:fire: )

eventually,I brought my shotgun to gunshop which I bought from. they kept my shotgun and promise me they will check and fix it soon.:o
just a bad exprience with remington 870 shotgun,maybe cheap things always mean crappy(before I made decision for 870 shotgun,somebody just recommended me to go for beretta A391 or U/O,but for cost reason,I ignored):o

[Al Thompson]

Did you switch ammo? :confused:

Even if that 870 is pooched, that's one out of tens of thousands. If you had a bad date with a blonde, would you never date another blonde? ;)

[sm]

Last time that happened to me , I had two Black Labs and a Brunette sitting atop the gun case and would not let me have the new gun.

I fixed this "stuck" 870, yep sure did.

Produced peppermint, and the dogs come to me.

Then jerked the gun case out from underneath the tight jeans causing said brunette to laugh, and reel backwards.

Gun ran fine, only problem I had was 1) 12 ga shells do not fit in a new 870 20 ga. 2) Saying "please" to said brunette for 20 ga ammo, 3) running out of peppermint for the dogs.

I cheated, I tied their "rope" chews toy to ropes, and these to tree limbs, and let themselves wear themselves down [can't wear "out" a Black Lab - just "down" for a bit] playing "tug of war" against tree limbs.

I may be dumb -I ain't stupid when it comes to "unsticking" 870s.

:)

[Robert Hairless]

Those Winchester Universal 12 gauge shells have jammed most Remington 870s in which I've tried them, including my own experienced 870 Magnum that works fine with everything else. Lewis Awerbuck mentioned that he has the same experience with them in the 870.

[loonie]

Those Winchester Universal 12 gauge shells have jammed most Remington 870s in which I've tried them, including my own experienced 870 Magnum that works fine with everything else. Lewis Awerbuck mentioned that he has the same experience with them in the 870.


what does the Winchester Universal 12 gauge include? today the representative just recommended me to buy another Winchester 12 gauage shell(AA Super-Handicap,2-3/4" , 7-1/2 size shot,1-1/8 oz,1250 FPS), costs 61.xx/250 rounds plus tax,while that crappy Winchester shell(super speed xtra,2-3/4",7-1/2 size shot,1 oz,1350 FPS) costs 42.xx/250 rounds plus tax.

anyway,if some shotgun can shoot with that crappy ammo,that means some 870 just "ammo picky".

[Robert Hairless]

I'm not sure what you're asking. We've used other Winchester shotgun ammunition that works very well in 870s. The specific kind I mentioned is the only one that causes problems in my own experience.

It's okay with me if you want to conclude that some 870s are just ammo picky. I don't own stock in the company and don't identify closely enough with my shotguns to be offended by anything anyone says about them. My demands are modest: if they do what I want them to do I'm happy with them.

All I can say is what I've said already, and I don't consider it to be a stain on the escutcheon of a truly fine breed of shotguns.

[loonie]

today I picked up my shotgun from gunshop where I bought.the representative said they made smoother in my chamber and everything should be fine. But when I went to the range,making some shot with same ammo, the same thing happened(empty shell stuck in the chamber). but with another winchester AA ammo everything was fine. and I brought the shotgun back to gunshop again,they said there is no way to refund and return this gun because this incident just caused by the a little bit tight chamber with the crappy ammo:cuss: the only thing they can do is refunding those cheap ammo:(

[sm]

loonie,

You really need to take some instructions from a seasoned shotgunner on correct basic fundamentals of Shotguns.

You need to read Brister's Book.

No offense - My role, like others here, is to pass forward to make sure folks are SAFE and get correct basic fundamentals down pat.

Ammo , Skill Sets, Understanding the design of gun.

This thread has has addressed these more than once.

Ammo-

Ammo Mfgs make various types of Ammo. Winchester AA Target loads ARE going to different than Winchester Promo Ammo in a bulk pack.

Ditto for other mfgs as well.

To many of us have shared 1) Try different Ammo , 2) Stay away from the inexpensive Win Promo Ammo in the Bulk pack.

Try some Federal Bulk pack [IIRC 3 dr, 1 1/8 oz ] Some Remington , Kent Estate, Fiocchi [I'd suggest the lavendar hulls], Target loads from Fiochhi, Reminton [STS hulls} and Federal Gold Medal.

2 3/4 " shells only please!

Skills sets come from SAFE quality Dry Fire Practice.

Go here and read about Rules Safe Dryfire practice. www.corneredcat.com

Yes, it is a ladies site - by one of THRs most respected ladies, and friend to me and others.

Still she has great information for everyone to learn from - no matter the gender, no matter age, no matter if new or seasoned shooter.

s

[loonie]

to sm,I'd like to appreciate your advice. I am newbie here and have few knowledge about firearm, maybe that made you think this thread had no value at all, but I just wanna say something here(maybe that is only way can make me feel better) let's back to the point,I just wonder why my friend's same shotgun wouldn't be stuck while mine keep jam when using same ammo.(no matter what ammo it is,at least that ammo was made in some standard and ready to sell)

[Demolition]

loonie,

Maybe your 870 is "ammo picky", as you said. Or, the ammo that you used wasn't consistent from shell to shell. In that case, you might as well just try a different ammo, as most people have already suggested. And, Steve gave good advice about everything else. You might want to look that over again.

Anyway, the AA Super Handicap (AAHA127) target loads that your dealer suggested are worth a try. I use AA Light (AA127) (http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/shotdetail.aspx?symbol=AA127&use=10&gauge=12) target loads, the lighter version of that Super Handicap load, and my 870s can fire that stuff all day without a single malfunction.

The AA is a slight step up (in both quality and price) from the Super-X or Super-Target that jammed on you, so it should be more consistently formed. Steve mentioned another one worth trying: Remington STS target loads. The Gun Club Target Loads (http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/shotshell/target/gun_club.asp) are the economy version of the regular STS shells, but they worked fine in my shotguns. Slightly more kick and slightly more spread than regular STS, but still an excellent choice.

[Lee Lapin]

anyway,if some shotgun can shoot with that crappy ammo,that means some 870 just "ammo picky"
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loonie,

Some of them seem to have difficulties with certain brands and loads, that's true. But some particular brands and loads seem to cause more problems than others, and Winchester's bulk pack/economy loads seem to be among the worst offenders, given the experiences of people who see thousands of rounds fired over a weekend.

So you have a couple of choices here, at this point. You can go buy a DIFFERENT BRAND of ammo, still bulk pack/economy priced, and try it to see if it works. ALL the major manufacturers offer econobox ammo, you have multiple choices to experiment with. You can surely find one that works if you're willing to try, and you can give your leftover nonfunctioning-in-your-gun ammo to your friend whose gun will cycle it OK- maybe in exchange for an equivalent value of ammo YOUR gun will run. And once you find loads that do run in your gun, you can stick to those. Not an unreasonable approach as far as I am concerned, YMMV of course.

Or you can disparage pumpguns in general and 870s in particular and try a different make and model. Nothing wrong with that approach either, except for the minor fact that millions of happy 870 owners will not agree with you. There are about a dozen 870s here, Wingmasters, Police and Express combined, 12 and 20 ga. combined, and six or eight extra barrels of various ages and types as well. Of all those, there is ONE barrel on ONE gun that has ever shown any signs of being "ammo picky" as you put it. And even after being honed and polished more than once, it still is- that barrel just won't shoot the Fiocchi load I tried to make it run. And those loads aren't 'loss leaders' either.

You could just buy another barrel, and try that. If it works, sell yours.

Or you can continue hitting yourself in the figurative head with that figurative hammer. Just remember, it feels so good when you stop, though.

lpl/nc

[sm]

to sm,I'd like to appreciate your advice. I am newbie here and have few knowledge about firearm, maybe that made you think this thread had no value at all, but I just wanna say something here(maybe that is only way can make me feel better) let's back to the point,I just wonder why my friend's same shotgun wouldn't be stuck while mine keep jam when using same ammo.(no matter what ammo it is,at least that ammo was made in some standard and ready to sell)

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loonie,

Thread has value.

I did not step in until late simple because :

1. Other folks had already posted GREAT input.
This thread is not the first thread you posted being a new member here on THR , that folks suggested you read the Sticky at the top of the forum, do a search under Dave McC, and use the search function.

2. My first reply in this thread was tongue in cheek for a reason (s)

(a) I have been a member here for a bit, I know these folks, and they know me. We are a serious bunch, we care, and many of us do a LOT of communication off forum.
We also poke fun, razz, and have a good time - simply because we like to, and anyone reading these thread that hates guns, wants to take our guns away are going to read "Them folks are downright funny at times, they are not a bunch of knuckledraggers, and wierdo's - these folks are regular folks".

(b) A thread can get "too serious" - "too frustrating" - and lose any and all value.

(c) If a thread goes too many pages, it often does not get read. Especially if the same replies are repeated.

One pet peeve it all the thread with "+1" after umpteen replies.

We CAN by golly Dx [diagnose] this gun problem of yours and I bet I know what it is! :eek:

I by golly am going to start a new thread, just for you.

Members are going to post.

You are going to read and go down the checklist - all we want is for you to mark off each thing done as you actually do these things.

steve

[sm]

Now before I start, I think I know what loonies problem is, and it "mostly" is NOT the ammo, or the barrel (even though a wee bit may be part of the barrel).

It is the extractor being made of MIM and from the factory the cuts / angles are not in spec, or the spring is weak. If there is any grease, or burs on the rectangle slot on barrel where this fits, extractor will not fit down onto shell.

:)

loonie - don't go there - you don't know what to look for and all, we are going to "back the truck up" and start from the top and work down to this problem.

Not just for you - anyone else doing a search for similar problems.

http://www.thehighroad.org/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=7

Diagnose and Fix thread! [loonie]

[45R]

This would never ever ever would have happened if you bought a Benelli :neener:

Seriously I hope you get your shotgun dialed in. Keep us posted

[9mmMike]

today I picked up my shotgun from gunshop where I bought.the representative said they made smoother in my chamber and everything should be fine. But when I went to the range,making some shot with same ammo, the same thing happened(empty shell stuck in the chamber). but with another winchester AA ammo everything was fine. and I brought the shotgun back to gunshop again,they said there is no way to refund and return this gun because this incident just caused by the a little bit tight chamber with the crappy ammo the only thing they can do is refunding those cheap ammo

If they did not fix and will not refund or return, it may be time to contact Remington and tell them your story. Name names when you do so that the gunshop has a chance to respond. You may even wish to let them know that you are doing this.
Do NOT threaten them that you are doing this. Be nice and let them know that you did not wish for them to be surprised to get a call or note from Big Green.
No doubt Remington will ask for the gun and for the type & brand of ammo you are using. Do NOT ship them any "sample" shells please.
I have never sent a gun back but I have had very good luck with their customer service and I cannot see why you should be stuck with a lemon, if that is in fact, a bad gun and/or barrel.

Mike