lbr
August 11, 2006, 04:08 AM
I am looking for a handgun that uses 9mm catridge. Can anyone give me any advice on which handgun makers they would recommend?
9mm Handgun Question
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ugaarguy
August 11, 2006, 05:07 AM
lbr, Welcome to The High Road! There are plenty of 9mm options out there. For simplicity I'll assume you're referring to the 9x19mm, the most common of the 9mm rounds, aka 9mm NATO/Luger/Parabellum. You have many options in a 9mm.
Do you want one that fires single action, where the hammer stays cocked and the trigger only releases it. These are generally carried "cocked and locked" hammer back and safety on. The 1911, Browning Hi-Power, and some CZs are the most common examples of SA pistols.
Do you like DA/SA, double action single action, where on the first shot fired the hammer is down and the trigger pull both cocks and releases it, then in subsequent shots the hammer stays back and the gun operates in single action. These guns generally use a decocker lever to safely lower the hammer. They are then carried hammer down and most folks do not engage the safety - in fact many guns of this type do not have a safety. This is safe because, like revolvers (which rarely have safeties) a long heavy trigger pull is required to fire the first round. SiG, Ruger, S&W, and, again, some CZs are common DA/SA pistols.
Or do you want DAO, double action only, where the hammer stays down and the trigger pull cocks and release the hammer on every shot. Another variation on this theme is LDA - light double action, where the hammer is left partially cocked reducing the effort required for the trigger pull to finish cocking the hammer. Once again, Ruger, SiG, and S&W are some of the more common DAO pistols. Para Ordnance's LDA, H&K's LEM, and SiG's DAK are the most common of the Light Double Actions.
Then there are SFA, striker fired actions, which use an internal striker instead of a hammer. These operate much like a light double action, where the striker is partially cocked, and pulling the trigger finishes cocking, and then releases, the striker. Glock was not the first, but certainly made the SFA common place. Other popular examples are many Taurus, some S&W, and the Springfield XD pistols.
I'd recommend going to a range and trying several pistols to see which action type you like, and also begin to get an idea of what pistols fit your hand. After that gun to a gun store and handle pistols of the action type(s) you prefer.
The NRA basic pistol course is also a great opportunity to get some great training while getting to try out many different pistols. Check www.nra.org for classes, and call local ranges and gunshops since the classes sometimes don't make it to the website.
To answer your original question there are tons of great pistol manufacturers. They include FN/Browning, S&W, Ruger, SiG, H&K, Taurus, Glock, Springfield Armory, Walther, CZ, and many others that folks here will tell you all about.
Do you want one that fires single action, where the hammer stays cocked and the trigger only releases it. These are generally carried "cocked and locked" hammer back and safety on. The 1911, Browning Hi-Power, and some CZs are the most common examples of SA pistols.
Do you like DA/SA, double action single action, where on the first shot fired the hammer is down and the trigger pull both cocks and releases it, then in subsequent shots the hammer stays back and the gun operates in single action. These guns generally use a decocker lever to safely lower the hammer. They are then carried hammer down and most folks do not engage the safety - in fact many guns of this type do not have a safety. This is safe because, like revolvers (which rarely have safeties) a long heavy trigger pull is required to fire the first round. SiG, Ruger, S&W, and, again, some CZs are common DA/SA pistols.
Or do you want DAO, double action only, where the hammer stays down and the trigger pull cocks and release the hammer on every shot. Another variation on this theme is LDA - light double action, where the hammer is left partially cocked reducing the effort required for the trigger pull to finish cocking the hammer. Once again, Ruger, SiG, and S&W are some of the more common DAO pistols. Para Ordnance's LDA, H&K's LEM, and SiG's DAK are the most common of the Light Double Actions.
Then there are SFA, striker fired actions, which use an internal striker instead of a hammer. These operate much like a light double action, where the striker is partially cocked, and pulling the trigger finishes cocking, and then releases, the striker. Glock was not the first, but certainly made the SFA common place. Other popular examples are many Taurus, some S&W, and the Springfield XD pistols.
I'd recommend going to a range and trying several pistols to see which action type you like, and also begin to get an idea of what pistols fit your hand. After that gun to a gun store and handle pistols of the action type(s) you prefer.
The NRA basic pistol course is also a great opportunity to get some great training while getting to try out many different pistols. Check www.nra.org for classes, and call local ranges and gunshops since the classes sometimes don't make it to the website.
To answer your original question there are tons of great pistol manufacturers. They include FN/Browning, S&W, Ruger, SiG, H&K, Taurus, Glock, Springfield Armory, Walther, CZ, and many others that folks here will tell you all about.
1 old 0311
August 11, 2006, 05:57 AM
Do a search on CZ. It is the ONLY one out there that everyone who has one loves it. I did, I do:)
Phantom Warrior
August 11, 2006, 07:12 AM
To answer your original question there are tons of great pistol manufacturers. They include FN/Browning, S&W, Ruger, SiG, H&K, Taurus, Glock, Springfield Armory, Walther, CZ, and many others that folks here will tell you all about.
ugaarguy hit the nail on the head. I would recommend being a little more specific regarding what you are looking for. I would REALLY recommend going out and shooting or at least handling some of these guns. All of the companies mentioned will not disappoint you. Neither will Beretta, Magnum Research, or many others.
You need to handle some of these to get a better idea of what you want. Big vs. small? Single stack vs. double stack? Single action vs. double action vs. DA/SA? Shiny vs. matte? Revolver vs. auto? You've asked a very broad question to which there are many answers. The key is to find what works for YOU.
Personally, I have a Glock and a Beretta 92 in 9mm and have been delighted with both.
ugaarguy hit the nail on the head. I would recommend being a little more specific regarding what you are looking for. I would REALLY recommend going out and shooting or at least handling some of these guns. All of the companies mentioned will not disappoint you. Neither will Beretta, Magnum Research, or many others.
You need to handle some of these to get a better idea of what you want. Big vs. small? Single stack vs. double stack? Single action vs. double action vs. DA/SA? Shiny vs. matte? Revolver vs. auto? You've asked a very broad question to which there are many answers. The key is to find what works for YOU.
Personally, I have a Glock and a Beretta 92 in 9mm and have been delighted with both.
ugaarguy
August 11, 2006, 07:17 AM
All of the companies mentioned will not disappoint you. Neither will Beretta, Magnum Research, or many others.
Doh :banghead: How could I forget Beretta - they only make the US Armed Forces standard issue sidearm! Yet another good, along with magnum research.
Doh :banghead: How could I forget Beretta - they only make the US Armed Forces standard issue sidearm! Yet another good, along with magnum research.
MadMercS55
August 11, 2006, 08:00 AM
There is no shortage of pistols that fire the 9mm round. My personal preferences in a 9mm sidearm lean towards SIG, Glock, HK, Beretta. There are ALOT of other good makers out there, so it really depends on what you like, what fits you best, etc. More details would help in a more specific recommendation as well.
OH25shooter
August 11, 2006, 09:09 AM
Welcome lbr to a forum of a thousand opinions. I'm not being negative, because after all, we all have an opinion. But as stated, the 9mm is made by numerous gun manufactures. I would recommend first consider YOUR personal needs. What guns are in your price range? Do you want it made in America or a foreign country? With a decocker or a safety? Ten round magazine or 15? Blued frame, two-toned or stainless? Mostly polymer or steel? Do you feel comfortable buying over the counter or internet? Would you prefer to shoot one and compare models side by side? I'm sure you're saying, Holy S***, why so complicated. The 9mm is a very popular model. The ammo is normally cheaper and the recoil is on the low-end. On a personal note, I've fired, carried (9mm S&W duty gun) and purchased many 9mm automatics. Just recently I've found my favorite: SigSauer. My reasons: being retired LE I was leaning towards a gunmaker that supplies LE. I viewed the gun sites and asked questions on this forum. My pick was an used LE P229. My first Sig. I liked the weight, the way the slide is milled from a solid piece of stainless steel, the feel of the grips and it is a tough-built handgun. It may sound like I'm swaying you towards that manufacturer. I'm not. Like I've said, it's just my opinion. To me, it's a well built, reliable, accurate, proven tough 9mm automatic. Many others are as equal or better. Some are worse. Do your research on the gun web sites and pick your top three choices. Good luck.
Lonestar
August 11, 2006, 09:18 AM
Four words of advice....rent before you buy. Like everyone is saying there are different triggers and sizes. You don't want to buy a full sized da/sa 9mm and wished you bought a compact DAO
MCgunner
August 11, 2006, 09:21 AM
There are dozens of answers to this one and everyone has their favorite. Why don't you go look at some, come back and ask about 'em?
NineseveN
August 11, 2006, 12:26 PM
Welcome to THR!
I'm gonna go with the trend and say to either rent some at a range with rentals, find other shooters in your area and ask to shoot some of theirs, or at the very least, go to a gun shop (with someone that knows something about guns if you can) and hold every 9mm you can find. Decide what feels right in your hands.
Then, decide if you're going to attempt to get a concealed carry permit, if you are, then make sure the gun you get will be easily concealed and that it's not too heavy for you to carry comfortably.
If this is just for range use/home defense, then a heavier, larger gun is probably better. Large/heavier guns soak up more recoil and are generally easier to shoot well (provided the gun fits your hand).
Also, consider the cost of options and accessories such as night sights (if you want them), the price and availability of magazines and holsters (if you're going to carry).
Then, once you've narrowed it down to a few models that are suitable given your desires, come ask us all about reliability, warranty/customer service etc...
I'm gonna go with the trend and say to either rent some at a range with rentals, find other shooters in your area and ask to shoot some of theirs, or at the very least, go to a gun shop (with someone that knows something about guns if you can) and hold every 9mm you can find. Decide what feels right in your hands.
Then, decide if you're going to attempt to get a concealed carry permit, if you are, then make sure the gun you get will be easily concealed and that it's not too heavy for you to carry comfortably.
If this is just for range use/home defense, then a heavier, larger gun is probably better. Large/heavier guns soak up more recoil and are generally easier to shoot well (provided the gun fits your hand).
Also, consider the cost of options and accessories such as night sights (if you want them), the price and availability of magazines and holsters (if you're going to carry).
Then, once you've narrowed it down to a few models that are suitable given your desires, come ask us all about reliability, warranty/customer service etc...
possum
August 11, 2006, 01:20 PM
Welcome,
I can reccomend with all confidence many, but your budget is a big factor that needs to be addressed, but great handguns can be found for the money. I would reccomend that you check out Springfield armory xd's, or Glocks, 17 and 19 there are many many more out ther but those are my favorites and you won't be dissapointed with either one of them!
I can reccomend with all confidence many, but your budget is a big factor that needs to be addressed, but great handguns can be found for the money. I would reccomend that you check out Springfield armory xd's, or Glocks, 17 and 19 there are many many more out ther but those are my favorites and you won't be dissapointed with either one of them!
kymarkh
August 11, 2006, 03:00 PM
Welcome to the forum. If you live in the Cincinnati area I'd be glad to meet you at one of the local stores and go over the 9mm's there. Hopefully one of the other forum members may live in your area and agree to do the same. We all have our own opinions on the 'best' 9mm - mine is the Glock or XD. Then again I really like the CZ75, and a 9mm 1911 would be awesome too.
When I first started shooting, it was a little intimidating to go to the gunshop by myself. I was lucky enough to have a friend who helped me wade through the BS at the gunshop - everyone has an opinion, and some gunshops only want to push the products they make the most $ on. It's just human nature.
You'll know when you find the right pistol. It will fit your hand like a glove, and the controls will be easy to reach for you. I like the Glock and the XD because they have a minimum of controls and fit my hand well.
Good luck in your search, and keep us informed!
When I first started shooting, it was a little intimidating to go to the gunshop by myself. I was lucky enough to have a friend who helped me wade through the BS at the gunshop - everyone has an opinion, and some gunshops only want to push the products they make the most $ on. It's just human nature.
You'll know when you find the right pistol. It will fit your hand like a glove, and the controls will be easy to reach for you. I like the Glock and the XD because they have a minimum of controls and fit my hand well.
Good luck in your search, and keep us informed!
moewadle
August 11, 2006, 10:38 PM
To help answer your question I want to let you know that I am a newbie to 9mm hand guns and have never owned an auto loader. I am in same boat as you and read your question in order to get information for me. I have already started the searching process that the mentors have suggested. I am replying here to tell you one thing that I learned and you will learn rapidly perhaps. I was all set, I thought, to buy a Browning High Power, it fits my hand so nicely and I love the classic look with the gloss blue finsih and walnut handles and long history. I have fallen in love with it enough to be my first auto loader and first 9mm. Then I realized the hammer spur might be to close to my shooting hand as the slide slams back. There is a web site for the Browning HP maintained by a man who loves them and he has the hammer spur filed down when he buys a new one so it won't "bite" his shooting hand. My point being....check this out when you check the feel of various ones. I think I may get a CZ75 or Beretta 92 because of that. Moe, still a Newbie member.
LightningJoe
August 12, 2006, 12:07 AM
Well, first off, what makes you mention 9mm? In addition to different manufacturers, there are different calibers, actions, materials, and purposes. The same manufacturer will typically offer handguns with choices of all these characterisitics. The recommended manufacturer of one or more 9mm pistols will often be a recommended manufacturer for many calibers of gun.
Many people have a favorite or preferred caliber. For some people, it's 9mm.
I think most men just like guns. We don't really have a reason. It's an instinct. We like guns for the same reason cats like balls of yarn. 9mm will work as well as anything else, I guess. Bear in mind, an expensive gun will get you more respect than an inexpensive gun, even if it's not as good. Manufacturers of good but inexpensive 9mm guns include Taurus and Bersa. Manufacturers of more expensive guns include H&K, Walther, and Sig. Depending on your personality, you may be happier with a gun that was a bargain or with a gun that not many people have because it's expensive. Some people like Hondas; other people like Mercedes. They're both good and they both do the same thing, but one costs a lot more. If you'd rather have a Honda and some leftover cash, buy a Taurus. If you don't mind the price and would be happier with a Mercedes, then buy an H&K.
Many people have a favorite or preferred caliber. For some people, it's 9mm.
I think most men just like guns. We don't really have a reason. It's an instinct. We like guns for the same reason cats like balls of yarn. 9mm will work as well as anything else, I guess. Bear in mind, an expensive gun will get you more respect than an inexpensive gun, even if it's not as good. Manufacturers of good but inexpensive 9mm guns include Taurus and Bersa. Manufacturers of more expensive guns include H&K, Walther, and Sig. Depending on your personality, you may be happier with a gun that was a bargain or with a gun that not many people have because it's expensive. Some people like Hondas; other people like Mercedes. They're both good and they both do the same thing, but one costs a lot more. If you'd rather have a Honda and some leftover cash, buy a Taurus. If you don't mind the price and would be happier with a Mercedes, then buy an H&K.
SeanSw
August 12, 2006, 12:29 AM
I was the first among friends to foray into firearms and have always made every attempt to help make my buddies comfortable when shopping for guns. I'll take them places that they may not have been to before, introduce them to local dealers, or ask a novice question so they can listen to the answer. The same friend I've been helping with firearms has been coaching me through motorcycles the past month and helped me get my first bike home today.
The best advice to heed is to find a gun that fits you comfortably and shoots easily. Recoil is subjective. A pistol that fits you best will have the least felt recoil. When I wanted a 9mm I passed a dozen through my hands, and most never recieved a second thought. They felt bad in my hands. Awkward controls, grips that were too fat, poor balance, an unnatural grip angle... A lot of things surface once you start trying them out.
Luckily you have more excellent choices in 9mm than probably any other caliber. I found the CZ-75 variants and the Magnum Research Baby Eagle to fit me the best, and I eventually purchased the Baby Eagle over all the others due to ergonomics. If you have medium/small hands then these are pistols to consider. If you have larger hands you may feel more comfortable with Glocks, Rugers, or S&W's. I also found the Springfield XD9's to fit my hands well, but somehow it struck me as an awkward choice for a first pistol.
The best advice to heed is to find a gun that fits you comfortably and shoots easily. Recoil is subjective. A pistol that fits you best will have the least felt recoil. When I wanted a 9mm I passed a dozen through my hands, and most never recieved a second thought. They felt bad in my hands. Awkward controls, grips that were too fat, poor balance, an unnatural grip angle... A lot of things surface once you start trying them out.
Luckily you have more excellent choices in 9mm than probably any other caliber. I found the CZ-75 variants and the Magnum Research Baby Eagle to fit me the best, and I eventually purchased the Baby Eagle over all the others due to ergonomics. If you have medium/small hands then these are pistols to consider. If you have larger hands you may feel more comfortable with Glocks, Rugers, or S&W's. I also found the Springfield XD9's to fit my hands well, but somehow it struck me as an awkward choice for a first pistol.
Croyance
August 12, 2006, 01:38 AM
What is the purpose of the gun? That alone will narrow down the choices.
What is your experience with handguns?
I mean, the SIG 210 is a great handgun, but hardly one I'd recommend to a novice whose only concern was home defence or concealed carry - though it can do a good job of both.
Every large handgun manufacturer makes a 9x19 handgun. Some are for specific uses like concealed carry.
I personally like Berettas and Browning HiPowers.
What is your experience with handguns?
I mean, the SIG 210 is a great handgun, but hardly one I'd recommend to a novice whose only concern was home defence or concealed carry - though it can do a good job of both.
Every large handgun manufacturer makes a 9x19 handgun. Some are for specific uses like concealed carry.
I personally like Berettas and Browning HiPowers.
10-Ring
August 12, 2006, 02:05 AM
1st off, welcome to THR! ;)
More to the point...WOW! There are alot of good choices out there at alot of diff't price points. Just in terms of what I like, I'd recommend: (in no particular order)
- Browning Hi Power
- USP 9
- Beretta 92fs
- Glock 19
- Steyr M-A1
- HK P7M8
I'm sure there are many more out there, I just listed the ones I have personal experience shooting & have liked the results (accuracy, reliability etc)
Good luck choosing... ;)
More to the point...WOW! There are alot of good choices out there at alot of diff't price points. Just in terms of what I like, I'd recommend: (in no particular order)
- Browning Hi Power
- USP 9
- Beretta 92fs
- Glock 19
- Steyr M-A1
- HK P7M8
I'm sure there are many more out there, I just listed the ones I have personal experience shooting & have liked the results (accuracy, reliability etc)
Good luck choosing... ;)
JohnKSa
August 12, 2006, 03:39 AM
9mm pistols have been made in large quantities for about 100 years by many different makers in many different countries, in myriad models, designs, variations, action types, trigger types, finishes, sizes and capacities.
CZ, Desert Eagle, Beretta, Glock, H&K, S&W, Walther, Ruger, Browning, SIG, Steyr, Springfield, Kahr, (not an exhaustive list by any means) all make or have made in the recent past, high quality 9mm pistols. I would recommend any of these makers.
CZ, Desert Eagle, Beretta, Glock, H&K, S&W, Walther, Ruger, Browning, SIG, Steyr, Springfield, Kahr, (not an exhaustive list by any means) all make or have made in the recent past, high quality 9mm pistols. I would recommend any of these makers.
kansas45
August 12, 2006, 06:43 AM
I have not held, shot or owned all of the 9mm handguns on the market. (darn it). But of the one's I have used or own, I would have to say that my Ruger P89DC is my favorite. The cost was low & the reliabilty is high. It has never failed to fire or had any other problem's. It is very accurate & hit's where I aim. I would recommend it to a first time buyer or anyone that is more experienced.
SeanSw
August 12, 2006, 12:39 PM
Lacking any real range time with the Ruger P89DC, I will still second that option as a first 9mm. There were dozens for sale between the pawn shop and the gun shows, collecting dust on the shelf next to newer pistols. I almost took one home because my OTD price would have been $275 for a nearly new pistol with 2 mags and a case. The price difference between the Ruger and the Baby Eagle could have purchased a large amount of ammo....
They are large and bulky guns but it wouldn't have bothered me at the range. I would still buy one or give it to someone else as a first 9mm.
They are large and bulky guns but it wouldn't have bothered me at the range. I would still buy one or give it to someone else as a first 9mm.
Nail Shooter
August 12, 2006, 07:46 PM
Handle the 9mm Sigs and Glocks. Buy which one you like the feel of and shoot the best. You will have a durable, reliable gun from either of these makers.
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denfoote
August 12, 2006, 11:29 PM
There are nine millimeter pistols as there are grains of sand!!! :eek:
I prefer Glock or Walther.
That said, I also have a Browning High Power I'm rather fond of.
In the exotic vein, there is always this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/denfoote/WaltherP5.jpg
Walther P5.
I prefer Glock or Walther.
That said, I also have a Browning High Power I'm rather fond of.
In the exotic vein, there is always this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/denfoote/WaltherP5.jpg
Walther P5.
CornCod
August 12, 2006, 11:43 PM
I own three 9mm handguns, a Mk II Hi-Power, a Baretta 9000S and an HK VP70Z. I have owned the Hi-Power for nearly 20 years and its given me no trouble at all. I think I have had something like three jams with the Browning having shot thousands and thousands of rounds. You really can't beat it.
Having endorsed the Browning, I have to say that I have never heard anyone say anything bad about the Ruger 9mm's. A conservative design? Yes indeed, clunky, but indestructable.
Having endorsed the Browning, I have to say that I have never heard anyone say anything bad about the Ruger 9mm's. A conservative design? Yes indeed, clunky, but indestructable.
weregunner
August 13, 2006, 03:56 AM
Love Ruger semi autos. Own two model P95DC models. Had them 4 years and shoot IDPA and pins with them:D Accuracy is 2.5 at 25 yards.Only problem has been magazine spring catch wore out on one cause I slammed home magazine in competition.Manual says not to do that.:uhoh: Recoil is light with standard 115 grain fmj bullets.Shoot Silver Bear ammo and Winchester.Gobbles hollowpoints up.For informal pin shoots 145 grain Russian ammo gets the nod:) Pistols detail strip easily and into the slide,barrel,recoil spring, and frame.They are lighter than all steel frames.Yes,they be polymer.Since I learned the hard way:banghead: it won"t happen again without reading the whole fershingler manual. Good luck. The other advice these guys are giving you is good.
lbr
August 14, 2006, 03:25 AM
I have had my eye on the Glock 26. I've shot it a few times, but my group shots were not as close as I expected. I figured the recoil on the compact gun is something I would have to learn to get use to, is this true. Can anyone give me their opinion on the Glock 26, whether if it is gun worth having?
ugaarguy
August 14, 2006, 04:31 AM
Can anyone give me their opinion on the Glock 26, whether if it is gun worth having?
Worth having? Certainly. As a first handgun? No. If you like the way glocks feel, grip angle, control layout, etc, then look at its larger, and easier to control, brothers the 19 and 17. The midsize 19 is a great combination of portability and firepower. I'd try the 19 or 17, and then move to a 26 as a back up gun. Work with a larger pistol to get the fundamentals down.
Worth having? Certainly. As a first handgun? No. If you like the way glocks feel, grip angle, control layout, etc, then look at its larger, and easier to control, brothers the 19 and 17. The midsize 19 is a great combination of portability and firepower. I'd try the 19 or 17, and then move to a 26 as a back up gun. Work with a larger pistol to get the fundamentals down.
NineseveN
August 14, 2006, 11:20 AM
lbr:
Yes, smaller and lighter guns will recoil more than larger heavier guns. Guns with smaller grips when you do not have smaller hands will also be more difficult to control (and guns with larger grips when you do not have larger hands will pose issues as well).
The Glock 26 is not a target pistol, so groups will be combat accurate (i.e. good enough, but nothing any other semi-auto cannot do)...the key about the Glocks are that they are super reliable and easy to use.
Is it a gun worth having? If it fits you hands and you can hit with it, yes it is. If not, then it depends on how much you want to invest into a range or plinking gun.
Yes, smaller and lighter guns will recoil more than larger heavier guns. Guns with smaller grips when you do not have smaller hands will also be more difficult to control (and guns with larger grips when you do not have larger hands will pose issues as well).
The Glock 26 is not a target pistol, so groups will be combat accurate (i.e. good enough, but nothing any other semi-auto cannot do)...the key about the Glocks are that they are super reliable and easy to use.
Is it a gun worth having? If it fits you hands and you can hit with it, yes it is. If not, then it depends on how much you want to invest into a range or plinking gun.
Harley Quinn
August 14, 2006, 11:59 AM
Hi lbr,
Some people are naturals at doing certain things. Shooting is one of them and so is hitting a nail with a hammer.
It has to do with your bodies ability to multi-task. The more user friendly the various weapons are (guns), the better you will be at hitting the target.
I would try the Model 17 Glock for starters, at some range and see how you do with it. Shoot nothing but what they will sell you when you shoot it (at their location). Stay away from the reloads in 9mm they are pretty cheap to buy new.
Have the "range master" watch you shoot. Call your shots, use a 6 oclock hold (round target above your sight, and the sight at 6 oclock).
Try to shoot groups, shoot 3 shots at a time not fast and then reload and do it again and again and again. Start at about 5 yds. With a bullseye target.
Practice and more practice is what YOU need to do to be able to hit the target. Todays guns are generally more accurate than the shooter's abilities (when shooter is inexperienced and the body does not multi-task well).
When you want to hit a target at 10 yds and continually do it under 3 inchs, if the gun won't do it, look for another.
Glock's will do it all the time, even the smaller ones.
You certainly can not blame a handgun if you have not perfected your bodies ability to multi-task.
Some have many problems and they will never be as good as others no matter how hard they try. But give yourself a break, and start with a proven weapon.
Good luck,
HQ:)
Some people are naturals at doing certain things. Shooting is one of them and so is hitting a nail with a hammer.
It has to do with your bodies ability to multi-task. The more user friendly the various weapons are (guns), the better you will be at hitting the target.
I would try the Model 17 Glock for starters, at some range and see how you do with it. Shoot nothing but what they will sell you when you shoot it (at their location). Stay away from the reloads in 9mm they are pretty cheap to buy new.
Have the "range master" watch you shoot. Call your shots, use a 6 oclock hold (round target above your sight, and the sight at 6 oclock).
Try to shoot groups, shoot 3 shots at a time not fast and then reload and do it again and again and again. Start at about 5 yds. With a bullseye target.
Practice and more practice is what YOU need to do to be able to hit the target. Todays guns are generally more accurate than the shooter's abilities (when shooter is inexperienced and the body does not multi-task well).
When you want to hit a target at 10 yds and continually do it under 3 inchs, if the gun won't do it, look for another.
Glock's will do it all the time, even the smaller ones.
You certainly can not blame a handgun if you have not perfected your bodies ability to multi-task.
Some have many problems and they will never be as good as others no matter how hard they try. But give yourself a break, and start with a proven weapon.
Good luck,
HQ:)
HankB
August 14, 2006, 12:16 PM
1. Buy a quality brand of handgun, in a model which has been on the market for at least five years, preferably ten. The Browning High Power, CZ-75, Glock models 17, 19, & 26, various SIGs, Beretta 92, etc., are proven designs.
2. Select the one that fits you best. Are the controls easily accessible? Can you manipulate the safety, magazine release, etc., easily, with one hand? This is important - for example, the CZ75 is a fine gun, but some people find the thumb safety to be quite a reach for their shooting hand.
3. Does the gun actually point where it feels like it's pointing? Test this by picking up the gun, holding it at waist level, and then focusing your eyes on some target; close your eyes and bring the gun up until you think it's pointed at the target; then open your eyes. Without making any adjustments, how close is the pistol pointing to where you think it's pointing? Try this several times - you'll catch on fast. I find that (for example) the Sig P226 fails miserably for me in this regard; others find exactly the opposite is the case.
2. Select the one that fits you best. Are the controls easily accessible? Can you manipulate the safety, magazine release, etc., easily, with one hand? This is important - for example, the CZ75 is a fine gun, but some people find the thumb safety to be quite a reach for their shooting hand.
3. Does the gun actually point where it feels like it's pointing? Test this by picking up the gun, holding it at waist level, and then focusing your eyes on some target; close your eyes and bring the gun up until you think it's pointed at the target; then open your eyes. Without making any adjustments, how close is the pistol pointing to where you think it's pointing? Try this several times - you'll catch on fast. I find that (for example) the Sig P226 fails miserably for me in this regard; others find exactly the opposite is the case.
weregunner
August 16, 2006, 03:19 AM
My daughter is looking at a CZ85.She shoots better than her dad and she hasn"t been at it long.Price onCZ is $440 and change. Hard to beat.Can't talk her into one of my Rugers.:fire: Oh,well.
1557
August 16, 2006, 01:16 PM
The Beretta's and the CZ's are very good,and one of them would be my second choice if I couldn't get Glocks.On the other hand,the XD's are i n the running,but Glocks are what I have,what I'm satisfied with,and they get a lot of use,with no problems.
ActiveFan
August 16, 2006, 02:10 PM
To take a look at all the 9mm pistols on the market, there is a nice source for 9mm pistol comparison at the GunDirectory.com site:
http://www.gundirectory.com/body.asp?gun=Pistol&pp=1&sort=-3&ammoID=390&ammo=9mm&ammoD=9x19mm%2C+9mm+Para%2C+9mm+Luger%2C+9mm+NATO
http://www.gundirectory.com/body.asp?gun=Pistol&pp=1&sort=-3&ammoID=390&ammo=9mm&ammoD=9x19mm%2C+9mm+Para%2C+9mm+Luger%2C+9mm+NATO
weregunner
August 17, 2006, 02:19 AM
Went to the NRA gunshow in May.Lucky is all I can say.My daughter was able to stop by all the handgun booths and try them all for fit.In other words, with all this great advice see which one fits you and your needs.My idea of a favorite gun probably won't fit you.Though handgun grips that are changeable make the job a little easier.:D
Trebor
August 17, 2006, 06:30 AM
What are you planning to use the gun for? That makes a huge difference in what we'd reccomend.
Right now your asking the equivilant of, "I want to buy a Ford. What should I get?" We don't know if you want something to drag race (Mustang), something to haul your family around in (a mini-van) or something to use at a construction site (F-150), etc. Tell us what you want to do with the gun and we can narrow it down a bit.
Right now your asking the equivilant of, "I want to buy a Ford. What should I get?" We don't know if you want something to drag race (Mustang), something to haul your family around in (a mini-van) or something to use at a construction site (F-150), etc. Tell us what you want to do with the gun and we can narrow it down a bit.
poncaguy
August 17, 2006, 07:36 PM
Ruger, P95, decocker model.less than $400, very accurate and extremely dependable,,,,will last forever..........
Seven High
August 17, 2006, 09:15 PM
LBR: I presently own a Glock 26. When I first bought it, I could not shoot it very well. It was inaccurate. After shooting several hundred rounds thru it, I got used to the trigger and the accuracy went up. I think the same thing will happen to you, if you decide to buy the 26. I really like mine!:)
Glock_10mm
August 17, 2006, 09:27 PM
Glock G19 - hands down the best "first" gun you'll ever buy. It will last though the years and fire like a pro. lots of ammo, lots of fun, fairly small package.. I dont mean to diss anyones choice, but for me the G26 is too small for a first gun, better as a backup, and the 17 is too large to conceal carry easily. I'd choose a glock over anything else though.
I'd also recommend the Walther P99, but I like the glock better (P99 is better if you have really, really small hands as you can change out the back of the grip to fit), but they are quite equal in several aspects.
Baretta 92F also a worthy first firearm that will last, but I feel its way too bulky to carry, unlike the other 2.
The 1911's in 9mm are also good but I feel they are heavy and carry half the ammo of the glock/walther. I'd probably take a beretta first if you dont want a polymer gun.
The G19 has a major advantage of having half the parts to deal with over other guns. They are quick to strip and easy to deal with. Though my glock G29 is my carry, the G19 has a strong place in my heart, and sees just as much range time!
PS - HK USP9 is nice too, but its about $200 more and I feel the glock is just as good.
Here's the best advice. Go to a range that also sells guns. Tell them you are looking to buy but want to try some stuff out first. They should have a G19, G17 and Beretta for rent...they may even let you try them for free (well ammo cost only). If your really lucky they may even have a G26 or P99. Doubt they'll have a USP for rent but they might. Try as many as you can and buy what fits you best. My suggestion is try to see what you dont flinch with and what fits well in your grip...something you are comfortable shooting. If its not comfortible dont force it or you'll pick up bad habits that are hard to work out or worse, you not enjoy shooting and therefore not shoot as often as you should to be proficient with it.
My wife chose a S&W 908 because she was comfortible with it. Its definately not my choice, but it fit her hand, she shoots it straight, and she enjoys it, what else does she really need. Its also a good 9mm gun...the range should have something similar for rent as well. I still vote for a glock...Any glock, but 9mm is probably the best place to start.
Good luck and welcome to the forums!
I'd also recommend the Walther P99, but I like the glock better (P99 is better if you have really, really small hands as you can change out the back of the grip to fit), but they are quite equal in several aspects.
Baretta 92F also a worthy first firearm that will last, but I feel its way too bulky to carry, unlike the other 2.
The 1911's in 9mm are also good but I feel they are heavy and carry half the ammo of the glock/walther. I'd probably take a beretta first if you dont want a polymer gun.
The G19 has a major advantage of having half the parts to deal with over other guns. They are quick to strip and easy to deal with. Though my glock G29 is my carry, the G19 has a strong place in my heart, and sees just as much range time!
PS - HK USP9 is nice too, but its about $200 more and I feel the glock is just as good.
Here's the best advice. Go to a range that also sells guns. Tell them you are looking to buy but want to try some stuff out first. They should have a G19, G17 and Beretta for rent...they may even let you try them for free (well ammo cost only). If your really lucky they may even have a G26 or P99. Doubt they'll have a USP for rent but they might. Try as many as you can and buy what fits you best. My suggestion is try to see what you dont flinch with and what fits well in your grip...something you are comfortable shooting. If its not comfortible dont force it or you'll pick up bad habits that are hard to work out or worse, you not enjoy shooting and therefore not shoot as often as you should to be proficient with it.
My wife chose a S&W 908 because she was comfortible with it. Its definately not my choice, but it fit her hand, she shoots it straight, and she enjoys it, what else does she really need. Its also a good 9mm gun...the range should have something similar for rent as well. I still vote for a glock...Any glock, but 9mm is probably the best place to start.
Good luck and welcome to the forums!
weregunner
August 18, 2006, 03:40 AM
Shot a Glock one time. Model 19 if memory serves me right.Had to get used to the trigger and only fired 10 shots.Then did a silly thing and bought a Taurus PT 111 Pro model in 9mm.Now I am learning about a trigger somewhat similar to the Glock.:banghead: Normally a Ruger P series shooter in 9mm. and .45ACP.:uhoh: Have to change my way of thinking each time each trip to the range.
The_Shootist
August 18, 2006, 11:11 AM
Best combination of capacity/concealability/shootability there is.
Real easy to clean to (and yeah, that IS important :D )
Real easy to clean to (and yeah, that IS important :D )
weregunner
August 18, 2006, 12:22 PM
So are Rugers:neener: :p Yeah , the Ruger bashers are lining up. I here yous all breathing out there.
kennyboy
August 18, 2006, 06:01 PM
There are many great 9mm handguns. Glocks are the most rugged and reliable. HKs are probably the most ergonomic/tacticool. Browning/FN Highpowers are classy pistols. Walthers are ergonomic. Sigs are good, but have low mag capacities. CZs are said to be tough and reliable. Berettas are alright, although they seem to offer as much as other brands. Any of the pistols I have mentioned are excellent choices. I'd stay away from Highpoints, Tauruses, and Kel Tecs. Simply put, if you spend more than $500, you are going to get a good 9mm.
bonesaw
August 18, 2006, 07:28 PM
I'd recommend HK for 9mm.
9mm is a really nice self-defence round - small, cheap, effective - and it is fairly easy to do 9mm right, so you have a huge amount of options. Enough to get totally lost.
Things to decide, assuming you know exactly what you are going to use it for and all that:
1) How big a gun do you want? How big are your hands, and how many rounds do you want to fit into your gun?
2) Do you want a frame made out of polymer, steel, or an aluminum alloy? Polymer is the default choice if you are just starting out.
3) Do you want a DA/SA, DAO, or a safety-in-trigger type weapon? DA/SA have hammers that you cock, and safeties. DAO have longer trigger pulls. Glocks are in the last group.
4) How much do you want to spend? Sigs and HKs will go for $600-900; you can spend more or less and will generally get what you pay for.
9mm is a really nice self-defence round - small, cheap, effective - and it is fairly easy to do 9mm right, so you have a huge amount of options. Enough to get totally lost.
Things to decide, assuming you know exactly what you are going to use it for and all that:
1) How big a gun do you want? How big are your hands, and how many rounds do you want to fit into your gun?
2) Do you want a frame made out of polymer, steel, or an aluminum alloy? Polymer is the default choice if you are just starting out.
3) Do you want a DA/SA, DAO, or a safety-in-trigger type weapon? DA/SA have hammers that you cock, and safeties. DAO have longer trigger pulls. Glocks are in the last group.
4) How much do you want to spend? Sigs and HKs will go for $600-900; you can spend more or less and will generally get what you pay for.
RustyFN
August 18, 2006, 10:00 PM
I don't have any experience with any other guns, but I can tell you that I love my CZ.:D It is a great gun for the price.
Rusty
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=43452&d=1155435070
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MSgtEgress
August 19, 2006, 03:53 PM
Another vote for the High Power. I had a trigger job done to it and it breaks like a pane of glass at 3 pounds, no creep. I've shot 1" groups from sandbags at 25yds. My neice loves it and she wants me to promise to will it to her. Alot of people complain about the hammer bite but only the largest hands get bit. If you are a big guy you can get a commander style hammer from Cylinder and Slide for 75 bucks or a complete trigger pull "kit" for about $125.
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CarbineKid
August 19, 2006, 05:43 PM
Take a good look st the Ruger P95. I think its the best out there, and it won't cost a fortune.
Sylvan-Forge
August 24, 2006, 02:53 AM
lbr,
For pistols comparable in size to the Glock 26, check these out :
Heckler & Koch P2000 SK -
http://www.hk-usa.com/index.jsp?loc=101&SITEID=A&PartNumber=704204
SiGARMS P239 -
http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=9&productid=71
Springfield Armory XD Sub-Compact -
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-sub-compact.shtml
Glock 26 -
http://www.glock.com/g26.htm
CZ 2075 RAMI -
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=48
Walther P99 C -
http://www.waltheramerica.com/firearms/p99c.cfm
If you don't have any experience or are rusty, consider getting a .22 LR pistol or revolver for helping develop good skills.
Best o' Luck
For pistols comparable in size to the Glock 26, check these out :
Heckler & Koch P2000 SK -
http://www.hk-usa.com/index.jsp?loc=101&SITEID=A&PartNumber=704204
SiGARMS P239 -
http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=9&productid=71
Springfield Armory XD Sub-Compact -
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-sub-compact.shtml
Glock 26 -
http://www.glock.com/g26.htm
CZ 2075 RAMI -
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=48
Walther P99 C -
http://www.waltheramerica.com/firearms/p99c.cfm
If you don't have any experience or are rusty, consider getting a .22 LR pistol or revolver for helping develop good skills.
Best o' Luck
Glocker
August 24, 2006, 11:15 AM
lbr.
First off I would like to say Welcome to The High Road. This is a good place to get info and the people here are great!!! I have only ten words to say to you, and that is GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK. Did I say Glock? I think Glock did it right in the 9mm department. I do have a S&W 439 that I also like. To be truthfull with you I think all 9mm's are pretty good, I have had Rugers, Firestar, S&W'S, Sigs but I still love a GLOCK. Good luck my friend.
First off I would like to say Welcome to The High Road. This is a good place to get info and the people here are great!!! I have only ten words to say to you, and that is GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK, GLOCK. Did I say Glock? I think Glock did it right in the 9mm department. I do have a S&W 439 that I also like. To be truthfull with you I think all 9mm's are pretty good, I have had Rugers, Firestar, S&W'S, Sigs but I still love a GLOCK. Good luck my friend.
weregunner
August 25, 2006, 05:04 AM
For all you Glock lovers talking here does that make it a glockinspiel?:neener: :cuss: :fire: :D Yep, all the above are sound pistols. Have fun.picking one.Ruger,RUGER,RUGER.CZs too:what:
nibb
August 25, 2006, 05:14 AM
Well you did not said how much you want to spend.
Its not just on guns but normally the more you want to pay the better product you will get.
Do you want to spend 200$ to 400$ get a CZ
500$ buget, i would suggest some kind of glock
More then 1000$ Get a HK its the best gun ever made. The walther p99 is also great and very new.
Its not just on guns but normally the more you want to pay the better product you will get.
Do you want to spend 200$ to 400$ get a CZ
500$ buget, i would suggest some kind of glock
More then 1000$ Get a HK its the best gun ever made. The walther p99 is also great and very new.
TOADMAN
August 26, 2006, 09:02 AM
Glock 19...Once you have that down-pat, get another one...
possum
August 26, 2006, 11:11 AM
Activefan,
thanks for that link to the gun directory web site that seems to make for a great resouse! thanks again!
thanks for that link to the gun directory web site that seems to make for a great resouse! thanks again!
Oregongundude
August 30, 2006, 11:37 AM
Glocks, Sigs, HK, CZ's,Walthers, beretta's, even 1911's have a 9 mm version. I would test fire alot of different guns before making my discision. Most cites have Public gun ranges where you can fire different models to help you make your decision.
:)
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cvb
August 30, 2006, 06:13 PM
that should tell you that the 9mm choice is stellar, cant go wrong with almost any. your choice will reflect what you value--fantasy vs reality. Stay away from cheap Saturday night tho for safetys sake.
tegemu
August 31, 2006, 03:39 PM
take a good look at the SKYY CPX-1, www.skyyindustries.com . It is a great little pistol, holds 10 rounds and is very well made. It is new but I predict it will outsell the Kahr and Kel-Tecs before long. Great price, mine was $249.00.
Hagen442
September 1, 2006, 09:07 PM
TAKE A LOOK AT THE SIG 226 OR THE 3IN & 4IN & 5IN SPRINGFIELD XD.
I CAN TESTIFY TO THESE BEING VERY RELIABLE 9MM PISTOLS.
I HAVE USED BOTH IN IDPA AND ACTION COMPETITION WITH NO PROBLEMS.
I CAN TESTIFY TO THESE BEING VERY RELIABLE 9MM PISTOLS.
I HAVE USED BOTH IN IDPA AND ACTION COMPETITION WITH NO PROBLEMS.
USN Gunner SW
September 2, 2006, 11:31 PM
My recomendation would be the SigSauer P226. its pretty much the best hand gun on the market. plus the dual spring absorbs a good amount of recoil. believe me, i know, ive compared the .40 S&W P226 to a Beretta M9 9mm and the sig still felt like it had less recoil the the beretta. plus the grip is more comfortable i think.
amprecon
September 3, 2006, 11:10 AM
Personally, I'm a Glock person. No muss, no fuss, rack it and forget it ;) . Hi-capacity, ergonomically friendly, simple, very rust-resistant and hella reliable, what more can I say?
Pilot
September 3, 2006, 12:01 PM
If you want a 9MM all around gun for the range and carrying the following will suit your needs:
CZ-75D PCR or P-01
Browning Hi Power (must be confortable with cocked and locked carry)
Sig P228/229
Glock G19
HK USP Compact or P2000
CZ-75D PCR or P-01
Browning Hi Power (must be confortable with cocked and locked carry)
Sig P228/229
Glock G19
HK USP Compact or P2000
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