[el44vaquero]

I use Wolf ammo and never had any problems in my ARs with it. However, I've stayed away from the lacquered versions. Recently on sportsmansguide, they sent me an offer that's a reasonable price.

Lacquered, steel-cased Ammo is Berdan-primed and non-reloadable. Non-corrosive. Full metal jacket. Muzzle Velocity: 2,330 F.P.S. Muzzle Energy: 1,495 ft.-lbs

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/dim...0,320&cvt=jpeg

The question is, this stuff is laquered, will it be asking for trouble in a romanian AK?

[Jackal]

No, u will be perfectly safe to use it in an AK. The AK was designed to shoot laquered ammo.

[Seven High]

You should be o.k. to use Wolf as long as you scrub out the chamber of your AK really well. I use carb cleaner and a bronze brush to clean out mine. Works real well. If you decide to use carb cleaner, make sure you have good ventilation. :)

[The_Shootist]

Drop'em in the mags and crank'em through your AK :D

I put 500 rounds through my WASR10 in one session with NO jams, misfires etc. Yeah, you have to clean your AK thoroughly, but thats the beauty of that weapon. Easy to strip, easy to clean , feeds anything.

Mind you, I only use WOLF in my AK or my Mak - Com-bloc ammo in Com-bloc guns!

[rangerruck]

they could be troublre if you fast fired them through an ar, but through an ak, don't worry.

[Kymasabe]

You'll have no probs with your Romy AK and laquered ammo. My AK actually seems to prefer the Wolf Military Classic green laquered stuff and just tears right thru it.

[el44vaquero]

I just heard some bad thoughts on the green stuff when dealing with the ARs, so didn't know if it rang true for the AK as well.

[possum]

I would say go for it that stuff will get ate like it is going out of style in you ak. I have shot lots of that stuff through my mak with out a hitch!

[clange]

I just heard some bad thoughts on the green stuff when dealing with the ARs, so didn't know if it rang true for the AK as well.
AKs have used that stuff, and probably ONLY that stuff, since they were invented. You wont have a problem.

[el44vaquero]

Good deal then. I've read a couple articles and I notice they compare this round to the .30-30, but does anyone know why or also read this?

[jjohnson]

The short answer on your question about similarities is raw ballistic power in most common load ranges. The 30-30 is a tad more powerful and will hold more powder than the AK round. It also is commonly loaded heavier with bullets going 150 grains or more; the AK ammo (commie ball ammo spec) is 123 grain. It's a fair comparison - they're fairly close but the 30-30 has the edge in raw power, but it's like comparing 30-06 to 308. Close enough for most purposes, but not the same exactly. Bear in mind, of course, if you're a hunter the AK round isn't legal in all places where rifles are allowed (30-30 is, in all the places I know). And the 123-gr fmj just is NOT the same thing as a 150-gr soft point in a 30-30.
So... yeah, they're close in terms of muzzle velocity and energy, but they're really not made for the same purpose.

[beerslurpy]

7.62x39 is legal anywhere that 30-30 is. You just have to use the soft points or hollow points instead of the FMJ. Wolf 154gr SPs are basically a hunting round.

[jjohnson]

All due respect, I wouldn't say "everywhere" though it's a lot more common in one of the states I've lived to see state-level deer hunting regs against stuff like .30 carbine in particular. Where I live now, the deer hunting regs run 60 pages or more, and get wildly updated every year to do stuff like exclude electronic dot sights on muzzle loaders.
"Everywhere" is a big word.

[el44vaquero]

What do you all make of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXpVzd7GsEk&mode=related&search=

[mljdeckard]

I have no idea what was going on with the guy in that video. I have shot thousands of rounds of Wolfr through various AKs and SKSs. I have had some feed jams, but I don't recall EVER having a failure to fire. I DID see that guy jerk the trigger a couple of times in the clip. Makes me wonder how serious he is about training and cleaning. Just because AKs are tough doesn't make them invincible.

My standard guideline is, use russian ammo in russian guns. If you have a Mini-30, or an AR with the 7.62 upper, don't use russian ammo. Use wolf Makarov ammo in Makarov pistols, but I won't put Wolf .45 in my Kimber. I have been tempted to use Wolf .30 carbine in my M-1, but I haven't done it yet.

[clange]

I vote its the gun. I havent heard anything similar on the AK boards, and wolf polymer and wolf military classic are made by two completely different plants AFAIK. The polymer is tula the MC is uly.

[el44vaquero]

Thanks guys. I was feeling all warm and fuzzy about buying some of the military classic and cheap prices when I stumbled across that video. :what: :confused: Was hoping this was just a fluke that was easily shot full of holes and wouldn't hold water.

[Thin Black Line]

You should be o.k. to use Wolf as long as you scrub out the chamber of your AK really well.

+1. Despite chrome, this stuff still sticks pretty well.

[Kymasabe]

I've shot lots of both and haven't had any problems at all except for the occasional feed issue.

[_N4Z_]

My AK clones first meal was Winchester. It got 40 of them total.

Due to cost, the 7.62x39 diet now is either Wolf poly, Wolf MC, or Barnaul. Whichever I can find locally..... And that is becoming a concern.

Pushing 2k now without a burp.

[KINGMAX]

I like the steel polymer coated w/ the light silver-blue color. :) I bought 1000 of the ones w/ the 'match tip' on it. The were in a 'BLUE BOX'. The bullet had a little round nipple on the end of it. I would like to get some more. :banghead: The boy that sold them told me it was 'match ammo'. :scrutiny: They did shoot good. :) :D :D

[BoySetsTheFire]

I think your gun was designed specifically to shoot that lacquered steel case round. Only problem is that the Wolf ammo is "dirty". Takes me three times as long to clean the barrel, as opposed to when I shoot Winchester brass or similar. Wolf, of course, is less than half the price of those.

[jjohnson]

Okay, so it's dirty:barf: . And cheap, so I shoot it, too.:D

Ever thought of treating your bore with moly? Just wondered.... I use moly to treat my varmint rifles but 'til just now never thought of putting the stuff in one of my 7.62s... just for the hell of it. The moly stuff I bought from Brownell's seems to work pretty good. I haven't chronographed any of the ammo to see if I'm picking up any velocity, but it's worth a try, maybe. I have noticed that when you moly treat a bore, it is noticibly slicker when you start stuffing cleaning patches down the bore. You DO have to have the bore perfectly clean, of course, to do the moly treatment, and I do mean perfectly clean... just wondered if anybody'd given that a shot.

[MAKOwner]

I don't think I've ever shot anything other than lacquer coated wolf and barnual through my romanian AK, never so much as a hiccup. That's the russian mil-spec way to do the ammo I believe.

[CornCod]

I have heard that people have had problems firing lacquered ammo and them switching from lacquered ammo to brass cased ammo with a very hard brass case.

The trick I hear is to clean one's rifle very well in the chamber area after firing lacquered ammo before switching back to regular brass.

[Shotgun12]

I always preferred Norinco's ammo. Some for sale in the 'accessories' area .... if ya may be interested.

[Stiletto Null]

AKs were designed for lacquered ammo*. You'll be fine.

*: Rather, ammunition was steel-cased with lacquer coatings, so AKs and SKSes and Mosins and whatnot were made to work with lacquered ammo.

[KINGMAX]

I have heard that Russian/ and old Soviet ammo have caustic primers, and this causes obvious problems. :confused: QUESTION: How important is washing barrel out w/ ammonia ????

What else is in the ammo to compound or cause other problems ??? :scrutiny:

Thank you for sharing what you know. :)

[Stiletto Null]

How important? "Very".

Your barrel won't rot away or anything if you don't clean it THE INSTANT after you stop firing, but if you leave it alone for more than like a day (humidity is important, by the way), you'll probably start to get fuzzies and pitting in your bore.

Ammonia is less important than water—the easiest way to flush for corrosive primer residues is just to blast a hose through the bore and gas system (if applicable). I've always done OK with a few patches of Windex, but I also shoot pretty regularly so my rifles don't get neglected for extended periods of time.

[jjohnson]

Yeah - corrosive primers are nasty. Even with ChiCom SKS with chromed bores, you do have all the other components that aren't chromed, and if you leave one ovenight 'cause you're busy and you don't think they mean "corrosive" you're in for a surprise. :eek:

Even when I'm too busy to properly break it down and give it a thorough cleaning, I give the SKS a good blast of foaming bore cleaner or SOMETHING and pass a patch or two down the bore, blast the bolt, and give it a once over. You can see corrosion overnight. Not all bore cleaners have ammonia, others reek to heaven of it. I'm pretty sure that back in the old days soldiers used to urinate down their barrels if nothing else was available - which makes sense considering the urea content - should break down some of the crud - but yeah, as small the amount of corrosive stuff there really is in that ammo, you should see what it can do overnight. You can't get away with leaving it for another day like you can a .22. It's ugly.

[KINGMAX]

The AK was made to shoot the cheap stuff in the worst of conditions. :what: Think about it. :eek: :evil: :D