A Gun Question For The Brits


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limbaughfan
August 13, 2006, 12:11 AM
(If I offended anyone from the UK by saying Brit I apoligize in advance,i tthink/thought it is correct terminoligy) Once you get a firrm certifice,where do you go to buy the guns and ammo,do you go to a gun shop or what.

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alellis
August 13, 2006, 08:42 AM
Naaa

We get them at the green grocer.


al

El Tejon
August 13, 2006, 09:52 AM
Right then, the dear boy has a question. He's curious.:)

limbaughfan
August 13, 2006, 01:05 PM
Can yall answer the question please

alellis
August 13, 2006, 01:52 PM
We either go to a registered firearms dealer (RFD), who operates similarly to a federal firearms dealer(FFL).

or buy face to face from a private individual.


al

Car Knocker
August 13, 2006, 01:52 PM
Perhaps if we ask in a slightly different way: Is the firearms sales system similar to that in the U.S., with dealers located throughout the country selling various brands and types of firearms and ammunition? Can ammunition be bought at other than firearms dealers, such as at sporting goods stores or by mail-order?

limbaughfan
August 13, 2006, 01:56 PM
Are there lots of dealers and places to buy guns and so forth

alellis
August 13, 2006, 03:40 PM
There are ample gunshops altho not as many as used to be.

In some areas of UK shotgun cartriges are not controled and can legally be bought by the lorry load. In other parts they are as tightly controled as any other ammo.

Pistol and rifle ammo can be bought only from a RFD or home office approved gun club.

There is a sort of grey area in private transfer of ammo.

It may be transferred but you are not supposed to sell it unless you are an RFD.

So unless you swap it for a chicken or something I don't know how you would legally do it unless you give it free of charge.

No mail order unless you are a RFD.


al

Mk VII
August 13, 2006, 07:04 PM
If I offended anyone from the UK by saying Brit I apoligize in advance

Yes, you did.

Very few places other than gunshops will sell cartridges these days. Used to be that agricultural stores sold shotgun cartridges but that stopped long ago. Too much trouble and expense, they would have to be registered dealers even if they didn't sell a single gun. You can no longer buy ammo by mail-order.
Walmart-equivalents don't sell guns or ammo (they used to sell airguns in the past).
The number of gunstores declined sharply after the pistol ban, as there wasn't enough business left to sustain them all. I can think of three within a thirty mile radius (and only then because they get to service London's population).
One dealer stated to me that the whole amount of business done in the British gun trade was less than the amount done in a single major American city.
Private sales are regulated, and must be done face-to-face unless they go through a dealer.

gitarmac
August 13, 2006, 11:07 PM
Can any of these "allowed" guns be used to defend yourselves with?

Randy in Arizona
August 13, 2006, 11:31 PM
Can any of these "allowed" guns be used to defend yourselves with?

Our Stiff-upper-lipped friends from across the briny blue are oppressed by far stupider laws, barristers, prosecutors, & judges than you can find in the USA outside of New Joisey.


Try this URL:
Cybershooters (http://www.cybershooters.org/forum/)

Stand_Watie
August 14, 2006, 01:09 AM
If I offended anyone from the UK by saying Brit I apoligize in advance
Yes, you did.

Would you're signature as being from England be an indicator of your offense at the "Brit" terminology? A note to American posters - I've noted that Englishmen (and for that matter Scotsmen, Cornishmen and Welshmen) are more likely to take offense to the terminology of "British" almost in a perfect proportion to how freedom loving and right-to-self-defense loving they actually are.

As I read it, "Brit" in 'British' thinking means a defunct empire which loves political correctness far above the basic human rights of self defense.

English, Scot, Cornish, Welsh, or Irish means something entirely different.

Boom-stick
August 14, 2006, 05:26 AM
Can any of these "allowed" guns be used to defend yourselves with?

Yes and No.

If someone breaks in whilst you just happen to have your gun out of the safe that you keep it in 24/7, then you can use it to defend yourself, BUT explaining why you're cleaning a loaded rifle at 3am could take some doing:confused:

Are there lots of dealers and places to buy guns and so forth

There are 3 within a few miles of me but as always, the closest one is by the most expensive by along, long way.

Onmilo
August 14, 2006, 08:52 AM
What the heck is an "RFD"????:confused:
Nevermind, registered firearms dealer, here in the states the left wing liberals call them gunrunners,:)

karaya
August 14, 2006, 08:56 AM
What the heck is an "RFD"????

RFD = Registered firearms dealer ?

I don't know, I'm only guessing. :scrutiny:

Boom-stick
August 14, 2006, 09:52 AM
RFD = Registered firearms dealer

BINGO!!!

Give that man a CEEGARRR.

Fosbery
August 14, 2006, 10:08 AM
Brit is a perfectly acceptable term to use when reffering to a British person. Don't see why anyone would take offence at that.

Firearms and ammunition can be bought from RFDs (Registered Firearms Dealers). There are maybe half a dozen within 30 minutes drive from my house. Shotgun ammunition is not controlled at all in many parts of the country, however.

These shops are usually dedicated gun shops, though some of them will often have airguns and hunting equipment such as decoys too. There is also the odd shop which does fishing and guns.

They are usually small, independent dealers. I think you would call them 'mom and pop' stores. However, there are a couple of fairly large mail order dealers such as Litts. When you order of the internet, by phone or mail etc, the order is never sent directly to you. It is sent to the nearest RFD who will hold it for you until you pick it up. When you pick it up, you must show yout firearms or shotgun certificate (whichever is appropriate to the item).

I have never seen a sports shop that sells firearms or ammunition. Supermarkets do not sell firearms or ammunition.

Private transfers are a bit of a grey area. Usually, you will put your gun up for sale with an RFD. It works a little like eBay usually. They sell it for you, you get the profits minus a small fee from the RFD.

Oh, I forgot to mention 'russiangear.com' or something like that. They are an army surplas store mainly, but also sell some SAIGA rifles.

Mk VII
August 14, 2006, 01:26 PM
'British', not 'Brit'. Yeuch! Horrible word.

gitarmac
August 14, 2006, 05:10 PM
Yes and No.

If someone breaks in whilst you just happen to have your gun out of the safe that you keep it in 24/7, then you can use it to defend yourself, BUT explaining why you're cleaning a loaded rifle at 3am could take some doing




It sounds like you can only use them in self defense in theory. Has anybody actually done this? Have they tried to defend themselves but were charged with a crime, do people defend themselves at all? I'm not talking about hypothetical situations, I am curious as to weather anybody attempts to defend themselves by any means.

Mk VII
August 14, 2006, 05:27 PM
It's extremely unusual, and if you do you'll face some hard questions about just how you were able to do it, and have complied with the storage requirements, and they will probably cancel your licence anyway, and say, "If you don't like it, take us to court. It's not our money." Not unheard of, some employee in a gunstore shot dead a would-be robber armed with a deacted shotgun some years ago. I think they managed to get him for something, though. The Superintendent will be saying, "Nobody in my town is going to shoot somebody dead and get away with it, no matter what his excuse his. I won't have this place getting like America."

gitarmac
August 14, 2006, 09:06 PM
. . . and it seems to me that not only is it "unusual" it's impossible for all practical purposes.

I don't mean to sound like I'm coming down on our brothers and sisters across the pond but we keep talking about "being able to own guns" like the mere owning of a gun without permission to operate it gives us some power.

Gun rights and the right to defend oneself goes hand in hand, where guns are regulated, so is self defense. A certain mindset goes along with that, one that benefits those that would do wrong to others. They are enpowered and protected, not only by the written law but by the hive mentality that resisting them would a greater sin than their crime.

Maybe we should become activists for the God given right for self defense and the gun ownership would be the sensible by product.

I really don't understand the reasoning behind those that would deny a person the right not to be a victim, is this a mental illness or something? Some kind of new age mass hysteria?

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