probably the most unusual modern DA revolver you ever heard of


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max popenker
August 14, 2006, 05:24 AM
the OTs-38 (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg194-e.htm) silenced wheelgun

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2286/ots381zr6.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ots381zr6.jpg)
bet you won't see it in your neighborhood gunshop ;)

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1 old 0311
August 14, 2006, 06:10 AM
I think my neighbor Igor has one:evil:

Dr.Rob
August 14, 2006, 05:42 PM
And I thought the Udar was wierd...

It's a neat looking weapon though the right side reload makes me scratch my head... maybe it's faster?

Bob R
August 14, 2006, 05:53 PM
Looks like the natural progression of the Nagant revolver. Another one of those funky Russian revolvers. Even the ammo is basically the same with the extended brass and bullet seated deep in the case.

bob

rudolf
August 14, 2006, 07:13 PM
Nope, this is not the Nagant gas tight priciple. Those cartridges have a saparate piston inside which propells the bullet and then clogs the open end of the shell. The bullet flies away, the shell is clogged with the gasses trapped inside, thus silencing the shot. This is really quite different from what you normally see.
The closest thing to this is the H&K underwater pistol.

ceetee
August 14, 2006, 07:26 PM
I can see the right-side reload being easier. You've transferred the revolver to your left hand as you swung the cylinder out. Holding a loaded full-moon clip in your right, just slide them in and close it up. Ejecting the empties would be a tad bit harder...

RustyShackelford
August 14, 2006, 08:52 PM
Have any other THR.org members ever see or know about the German made Medussa revolver? That was a weird looking DA revolver that fired 10 types of rounds; 9mmNATO, .357mag, .38spl, .38S&W, 9mmLargo, etc). It was sold about 10 yrs ago. I doubt the company still sells this strange handgun.

RS :cool:

BluesBear
August 15, 2006, 12:28 AM
The Phillips & Rogers Medusa was a US made product.
Do a search and you'll see we've discussed them several times.

unspellable
August 15, 2006, 01:43 PM
Nope, not a new idea. During the 'nam era S&W made a snub nosed N frame with a smooth bore that used a silenced shot cartridge on the same principal of a piston in the case to retard release of the gas. Aside from the smooth bore and possibly the chambering the revolver was a quite conventional N frame. The cartridge was the trick. It was meant for clearing tunnel rats where the usual shot would be at somebody's face at ranges measured in inches. I cannot imagine attaining any real velocity without blowing the piston out of the case.

max popenker
August 16, 2006, 02:59 AM
Unspellable, actually this idea (gas-locked cartridge) can be traced back to early 1950s, when Igor Stechkin developed a concealed "firing device" (disuisted as cigarette pack) to silently fire poison-tipped bullets. It was, obviously, for clandestine use by KGB operatives.

as for "real velocity", the SP-4 round propels its 143 grain steel bullet to some 885 fps - well enough to crack the scull at typical pistol range.

BluesBear
August 16, 2006, 03:13 AM
Unspellable, actually the Quiet Special Purpose Revolver (QSPR) aka "The Tunnel Weapon" was NOT produced by S&W.

A.A.I. Corp produced seventeen of them. They took an off the shelf Model 29 and converted it to .50 caliber with a 1" smoothbore, barrel.

Since they only made 17 one would guess that they weren't very effective.
Very few if any were actually used in Southeast Asia. There one in the Aberdeen museum that I don't think was ever issued.

Troggy
August 16, 2006, 12:30 PM
Hows it do on hogs?

Fletchette
August 16, 2006, 04:31 PM
If the cartridge holds the gas pressure, how do you unload it? Are the spent casings with locked piston dangerous?

unspellable
August 16, 2006, 06:24 PM
It's not totally gas tight. The pressure bleeds away before you get around to unloading.

max popenker
August 17, 2006, 02:49 AM
Are the spent casings with locked piston dangerous?
all manuals list the fired SP-4 cases as highly unsafe for at least some time after shooting. It could take hours, if not days before you can try and disassemble the fired case safely.

Crimson
August 17, 2006, 05:27 AM
Finally, a LEFT-HANDED revolver

rustymaggot
August 17, 2006, 05:58 AM
ok, so the lower part fires the bullet and the gasses get diverted up to the upper area?

Plink
August 17, 2006, 06:52 AM
Those cartridges have a saparate piston inside which propells the bullet and then clogs the open end of the shell. The bullet flies away, the shell is clogged with the gasses trapped inside, thus silencing the shot.

Interesting idea. It's kind of like the "silent shotgun shell" developed decades back. Somewhere I have one of them. They had a metal membrane inside to keep the powder gasses in the shell.

jjohnson
August 17, 2006, 08:19 AM
I read an article about this back in the 70's, standard gun mag, either Shooting Times or Guns & Ammo.

The cartridge is a captive piston - I don't understand your reference to "upper and lower" unless you're talking about a cartridge sitting on its case head, like on a table.

The piston itself is captive inside the cartridge, so it's a "push rod" that stops before it goes past the cylinder, leaving the shot to be propelled and then it bleeds its gas off via leakage, so instead of the gas whooshing out the muzzle, it stays behind the piston until it bleeds off. I don't know about it being effective - it may have been - but I know guys that were tunnel rats and few of them had a "full time job" at it, so most went in armed with a .45. Given how easy it is to get special equipment in a line unit, (haha :scrutiny: ) I can imagine even if anybody knew it was available, nobody'd wind up with one before their short 13-month tour was over. :banghead:

If I'd been a tunnel rat (would have, too, at 5'5"/125lbs in those days) I don't think I'd have burdened myself with one more piece of special equipment I'd have to carry through the steaming jungle every day. The tunnel rat I know best didn't even carry that - he always borrowed the .45 from his lieutenant.
Not everyday you can get one of your officers to carry your stuff. :D

kjeff50cal
August 17, 2006, 11:34 AM
And now for the cold water. Although the revolver itself is not a silenced firearm the ammo is so each round would cost you the price of the cartridge Plus a $200 BATF Tax Stamp:what: . Not per Box but per cartridge.:eek: .

MrBigStuff
August 19, 2006, 08:31 PM
I could use one right about now for the neigbors dog:mad: :D ! In and out:cool: Just kidding. Max Popenker, another interesting entry and also like to add very nice website.

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