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Zen21Tao
August 15, 2006, 08:32 AM
I am currently in a Masters program at the University of Florida. UF is a highly Liberal campus. In fact, I got a C in an undergraduate moral ethics class because I didn't recite the instructor's (who was only a Grad student) opinions. However, the business college isn't infected with this type on spoon fed indoctrination.

For our final presentation in my Oral Communications class we were to give a persuasive presentation about a company we like. The purpose of the presentation was to persuade others to either like or dislike the company. I chose Sigarms.

To establish credability on the subject of firearms I cited my past huniting experiences, my military service in the Army Infanty, the numerous gun training courses I have had, my work as an armed security guard, my Florida CCW stuatus, and my membership in our local college gun club. I then just presented the reasons I like Sigs over other guns. Plus, the Professor loved my opening statement "God made men and women but colonel Colt made them equal." The final outcome was the best score I had on any presentation, a 94 out of 100.

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Superpsy
August 15, 2006, 10:00 AM
good work!:cool:

Harry Paget Flashman
August 15, 2006, 11:16 AM
Pretty much a no-brainer. An easy "A". What's not to like about SIG's? :)

Henry Bowman
August 15, 2006, 11:24 AM
Next try "9mm vs. .45." :evil:

pharmer
August 15, 2006, 11:41 AM
Next paper: "Best caliber for 1/2 ton gators." Joe

Zen21Tao
August 15, 2006, 12:05 PM
Next paper: "Best caliber for 1/2 ton gators." Joe

Actually, it wasn't a paper but a 10 minute oral presentation in front of the entire class. I concluded asking if there were any questions, just waiting for the anti-gun questions. However, the only three questions I got were: how I built my own FAL (I had to explain the notion of parts kits), where I go to shoot, and how many guns I actually own. Absolutely no anti-gun questions at all.

As for the 1/2 ton gator. I'm sure a 700 grain round from my 4" S&W 500 between its eyes would do the trick. :D

Correia
August 15, 2006, 01:24 PM
I got my degree in accounting. Business majors tend to be very realistic folks. :)

Red State
August 15, 2006, 02:07 PM
Yep, the business world is one of the last bastions of common sense. Even on a liberal campus.

Unlike politicians, business people are taught to make decsions by asking questions such as "what is the result of this action?" and "where will the money come from?".

Double Naught Spy
August 15, 2006, 02:21 PM
"Plus, the Professor loved my opening statement "God made men and women but colonel Colt made them equal." The final outcome was the best score I had on any presentation, a 94 out of 100."

Plagerism says a lot about a person.

Tom Bri
August 15, 2006, 03:29 PM
I went to UF in the late 80s. I took Latin American Studies, where most of the teachers and a lot of the students were either communists (flat out self admitted) or socialists. I was studying tropical agriculture though, so I had a lot of classes in the sciences and in ag too. Couldn't have been a greater difference between those two areas.

Finch
August 15, 2006, 03:47 PM
Yep, the business world is one of the last bastions of common sense

<cough>Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Peregrine Systems, iVillage, Adelphia, eBay</cough> :neener:

Autolycus
August 15, 2006, 03:48 PM
You can debate the grade the grad student got you if it is not to late. I had alot of that crap from a few teachers. I refuse to spout their nonsense from my lips. UF is a good school from what I hear.

Correia
August 15, 2006, 03:51 PM
Double Naught, I would consider that a homily more than plagerism. There are about fourteen people on Earth who haven't heard that statement before. :p

Zen21Tao
August 15, 2006, 11:53 PM
Plagerism says a lot about a person.

Yes and blind defaming assumptions say a lot about a person too.

The opening statement of a presentation is designed to be a hook to get the audience’s attention. To achieve this end I used the statement you accuse me of plagiarizing. I do find it funny that you would blindly assume that I didn’t cite the source of that statement. I’m sorry to disappoint you but I not only cited the author but I also explained the origin of the original post-civil-war statement it was derived from. With the exception of that opening statement I wrote every word of my presentation.

Vairochana
August 16, 2006, 12:08 AM
Plagiarism is one of the more serious insults to an academic and should not be given lightly, certainly not in polite company and definitley from the deep cover of the anonymous internet.

FTF
August 16, 2006, 12:13 AM
I'm 3 classes away from my BS in Business Management... lo and behold I draw the assignment to be "anti-gun" on a presentation next week.... "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"... I speak against it. I'm going to try to be as discreetly biased as possible:D Too bad they would probably frown upon "visual aids" lol. It's an exercise in critical thinking... most of the questions are more relevant towards business or ethics, but I saw "gun" and jumped... lol.:banghead:

My business classes have been pretty neutral on the topic. No real arguments on the subject, although it has come up in a few generic law classes. Actually, civil liberties come up a lot, just not in respect to 2a rights. Not really a lot of closed minded people in this area... they are more capitalists than constitutionalists... more prone to reasoning and common sense.

The biggest arguments and points of contention seem to result from discussons on equal opportunity and employment law. Funny now that I think about it... guns they don't care about, FMLA they will beat you to death on. I'm glad I'm a business major... no real force-feeding of propaganda... well, propaganda outside of what is "ethical" and not. Bottom line, there is this sense of "Leave me alone, I'll leave you alone" mentality in the 4 years of this curriculum... I'm going to have to think more about this... pretty interesting really.

DRZinn
August 16, 2006, 02:08 AM
Just be so over-the-top rabidly anti-gun that you make the pro-gun position look like the only reasonable one (which it is.)

Knotthead
August 16, 2006, 07:21 AM
FTF,

I'm a little curious about the details of your presentation requirements. Perhaps it is worthy of its own thread. You may even get some valuable assistance here.

Correia
August 16, 2006, 09:56 AM
FTF, I had to do the same thing once for an English class. I used the Brady talking points and came across as an emotional idiot. It was awesome. :)

Red State
August 16, 2006, 10:35 AM
Quote:
Yep, the business world is one of the last bastions of common sense


<cough>Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Peregrine Systems, iVillage, Adelphia, eBay</cough>


Ok, so the bastion is not perfect. I'll still take it over a lot of other fields of study/practice.

wolf_from_wv
August 16, 2006, 10:47 AM
but I saw "gun" and jumped

Like "they" seem to do... :D

You couldn't be "reformed" anti-gun in your presentation, could you? ;)

Rickstir
August 16, 2006, 11:02 AM
I work at a very liberal Liberal Arts College. It must be in the name. The faculty (other than business) is infected with the L disease. Many are too far gone to help. The only oasis is the business faculty. It was very funny to see the faculty divide themsleves after the last election. Whereas they all used to sit together a lunch, even sharing the same tables; the liberal faction has slunk off to the far end of the cafeterra while the business faculty stayed in the same place. Kind of a natural pecking order. When I mentioned it to the chair of the business department he just grinned.

knoxx45
August 16, 2006, 11:43 AM
I find my self agreeing whole heartedly with the fact that the business world is the bastion of hope for the 2nd. I went to college in the north east, and current work on Wall St., so I deal with all types of people, and I do mean ALL types. The business people, as well as the business students, are by far , the most pro 2A group. I donít know if itís that on average they have to be more ďcommon senseĒ orientated, or what, but I find that most of my colleagues either hunts, shoot, or just own a gun for protection. I also find that my interns who are business majors are much more pro 2A than any other group of students. I know because in interviews I tell them that I want to see if they can think on their feet. I tell them that I am going to give them a controversial topic, and I want them to argue one side. Oddly enough, those who argue pro 2A always seem to be better qualified. Isnít that just the damnedest coincidence? :D

Number 6
August 16, 2006, 12:04 PM
I get called a communist all of the time by my students at the university I work at. I always find it confusing since I am one of the most conservative graduate students in my department. Students will call us any number of names based off only the little bit of information they learn about us in our classes, and so often they are way off. One thing to also realize is that just because someone is one of those "liberal" instructors does not mean they do not support the right to bear arms. One of my friends in my department is a communist, but like me is a strong supporter of people's right to bear arms. Labeling someone liberal or conservative does not mean that every one of their views is liberal or conservative. In the very limited experience I have had with the business faculty, I find them no different than any other faculty from any other department.

Chipperman
August 16, 2006, 12:26 PM
Absolutely no anti-gun questions at all.

That's because they had already wet their pants and fled the room.

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