[QuarterBoreGunner]

Talking about the P90 in another thread, I remembered I had some promotional video from when I was working as a LEO dealer and had two P90s as demo guns.

If this has been seen already, apologies in advance.

All in .avi Windows Media format

2.67MB - Full Auto 50 rnds with tracer and tac laser. (http://www.swedcom.com/test_images/FN01.avi)

2.01MB- One handed semi and full auto fire. (http://www.swedcom.com/test_images/FN03.avi)

808Kb- Going tactical. (http://www.swedcom.com/test_images/FN04.avi)

2.97MB- Super tactical extreme weather full auto fire. (http://www.swedcom.com/test_images/FN12.avi)

[genie]

very cool :cool:

i want one i want one! of course that full auto part probably means my civilian butt can't get one w/o some sort of license...

[AJ Dual]

very cool

i want one i want one! of course that full auto part probably means my civilian butt can't get one w/o some sort of license...

Very cool indeed.

Unfortunately though, the '86 freeze on the manufacture and import of any new machineguns signed by Bush I means even with a machinegun "license" (actually a $200 NFA tax stamp from the Treasury Dept.) you still can't legally own one.

I suppose it would be possible for FN to make a semi auto only 16" barreled model using 10 round magazines here domestically, but there's almost no point to that exercise. I suppose that when the '94 AWB sunsets, and if hopefully, not renewed, 50 round mags could be produced for it, (assuming our hypothetical domestic production from a FN plant in the US) and someone willing to pay for an $200 NFA short barreled rifle tax could someday have a close copy.

I can however attest to it's ergonomics being rather nice. The Tokyo Mauri electric airsoft I bought from a friends gaming/Airsoft store on Monday is rather neat.

It's an interesting concept, although I think that the new FN SS190 round 5.7x28mm is far too anemic, no matter how "penetrating" it is. If the U.S. military is suffering terminal performance issues from 5.56x45/.223 from 11" barreled M4 carbines, this round has to be way lacking.

The exact same platform, necked up to something like 7.62x28, sort of a really hot 7.62 "Super Tokarev" might show some promise. The Russian subguns in 7.62x25 loaded spicy out of SMG length barrels aquitted itself rather well in WWII.

[spacemanspiff]

my media player is set up to loop video clips and replay them over and over...makes that first clip really fun. i spent the last five minutes watching it play continuously.

[Blain]

Uuhhhhhhhhhhhhh....... :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:


Did you notice in the first video that there is a MAN walking in the background near the upper left hand corner?!?!?!?

:what: :what: :what:


:what:

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Wow, you know what Blain? I must have seen that piece of video about a million times, and I never saw that. I sure looks like something manshaped moving from left to right in the upper left corner of the range.

I guess he got the short straw.

[Pinned&Recessed]

If the FN was produced domestically and the '86 Lautenberg Amendment went Bye-bye, maybe.

The GCA '68 stopped ALL import of Foreign MGs. From '68 until '86, foreign MG's were converted Semis. For example, almost every transferrable MP5 is a converted HK94. All real push-pin MP5s are either pre-'68 or Pre and Post-'86 dealer samples.

If the '86 ban goes away, the P90 was made domestically, and someone made a DIAS or equivalent, then after all the Form 1s and taxes, it would be kosher.

[Snowdog]

What's behind that "paper" target, anyway? The tracers are going all over the place after passing through, some taking off in their own direction (over the berm and whatnot) after impact with the...um, paper.
:uhoh:

FWIW, I believe that "man" in the left hand corner is just a puff of smoke, probably from some fun munitions they were playing with.
Not too many people I know can expand and disintegrate into thin air like that.
:D

[cool45auto]

<Cartman voice> Sweeeettt!!! </Cartman voice>

[NapAttack]

If the '94AWB sunsets and they came out with a semiauto version with a 16" bbl I'd take one. I would not and will not pay the "tax stamps" for a full auto.

Then again, swapping my M1 carbine bbl for a 5.7 mm Spitfire would be a heck of a lot cheaper and I'd still have everything the FN has except the 50 round magazine. I'd be limited to 30 round magazines. Oh well.

I'd probably still buy one anyway. I'm a huge fan of SG1.

[Blain]

No smoke I know wears green jackets!

[Geech]

It looks like smoke to me. The "green jacket" is the smoke thinning a bit and the green from the pine tree showing through.

[Yohan]

http://www.extrudez.com/graphics/lighter.jpg
Let the flaming begin! Zoom in and look at it- it's just a puff of smoke.

[LiquidTension]

The FN IS produced domestically. They come from the FN plant here in Columbia, SC. I've been to the plant. They have tighter security than I went through at the Pentagon :what: It took me a full 20 minutes to get out of the guard booth with my new Hi Power :D The guards were all cool and we talked guns the whole time. Great bunch of people up there, everyone I talked to was very nice.

[Blain]

Smoke doens't remain a 6 foot tall object which walks sideways!!!!!!!!

[Combat-wombat]

Actually, even if it was produced in semi-auto, it would still be illegal. I believe that the 5.7x28 mm round is banned except for military/LE use. On their website, they have this message.
Info on 5.7x28mm weapons (http://www.fnmfg.com/lawenf/57ammoinfo.htm)

[Geech]

Watch again, with the video as big as possible, blain.

[ahadams]

well let's see I'm disabled out of the Army, I have a bad back, a bum leg, and a ticker that needs constant medication, oh, and I turn 48 next week... so since I'm not gonna make it through the police academy, how does one become a LEO dealer so one might have access to samples?

[keyhole]

Hmmmmm, I vote for smoke. It looks like it starts out closer, and moves back, then dissapears. Prolly from the tracer fun.

[Don Gwinn]

5.7x28 is considered armor-piercing in a bad way by BATFE. Mucho illegalo.

[Bowlcut]

why must you tempt me (all of us) with the forbidden fruit.....go back foul demon from wince you came....


Those are the coolest "little" guns out there :D

[Slotback]

I had the chance last week to handle a demo model, but sadly there was no chance of actually shooting the thing. It's different, that's for sure. Seems like a neat weapon.

[WonderNine]

I can tell it's smoke without blowing the video up.

[Admiral Thrawn]

So if the 94' AWB sunsets, does that mean you will be able to get flash suppressors, bayonet lugs and magazines with greater than 10 rounds capacity with no hassle?

Also, will the 16 inch minimum barrel length requirement still exist?

Thanks.

[WonderNine]

does that mean you will be able to get flash suppressors, bayonet lugs and magazines with greater than 10 rounds capacity with no hassle?

Yes.

Also, will the 16 inch minimum barrel length requirement still exist?

Yes, as far as I know, that has nothing to do with the 94' AW law.

[mattd]

Holy ????, its the abominable snowman

[owen]

The FN P90 is NOT made at FNMI in Columbia, SC. We import them, and distribute them from here. Liquid Tension, if you saw them being worked on, we had to make a bunch of markings on the last batch.

Among other things we have to put the "Law Enforcement / GOvernment Use Only" stuff on the magazines :-(

Owen

[Fed168]

I am getting to play with one in June, at the armorer's course. Luck of the draw.

[themic]

wow i like that Five-seveN too.

btw, it's smoke on my movie player.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Fed168-

To prep for your armorers class: if you've ever removed the hammer assembly from a Steyr AUG, the P90 comes out the same way. There's even a cavity for the cleaning kit just like the AUG.

You'll be amazed and how easy these things field strip; the most complicated part is the sling.

And if your going to be doing any range time with them, don't wear pants with cuffs; since the P90 down ejects, cuffs tend to collect the empties.

[Nightfall]

*sigh*

I wish I was special enough to have one... :(

[UnknownSailor]

Speaking of Stargate SG-1 and P-90s, I wonder where/how the armorers for that show got some? Or are the ones they use fakes? I have seen the Jack O'Neil character reload one, and it looked like an authentic mag.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Spawn had them also in the movie of the same name; if I had to guess, I'd say the answer begins with a '$'.

I'd also bet they've been converted to another caliber, because the 5.7x28 round is pretty expensive if I recall, and they'd need awhole lot of blanks. Mayne they've been converted to propane guns like the minigun used by Arnold in every one of his movies.

Any clues?

[Bowlcut]

open up shot gun news.... i saw an ad in there for "movie spec" guns. blank only fireing guns that give you the size look and feel of most all popular guns out there. had ak's, ar15's, g17-30's, sigs, mp5, think i saw a p90. for most those movies they dont use real guns....well not real by the manufacture. they use something thats safer, cheaper, and easier to come by. if its something a blank gun isnt built in then they get an aromor that has one. or use real guns for close ups and such

[UnknownSailor]

If you look closely at the ones in Spawn, they are heavily modified MAC-10s, or a variant thereof.
The SG-1 show has done a couple of pretty good close-ups, and I swear they look real. Magazine is spot on, controls in the right place. I dunno if they are actual P-90s or not, but they damn sure look like it. Airsoft, maybe, with muzzle flash added in post production?

[Carbon_15]

Hey Liquid...every so often I find empty 5.7x28 shells at Mid Carolina..HMMM

[roscoe]

The video with the snow, etc., even had a frogman coming out of the water Chuck Norris style. Or was it Rambo? Either way, cool!

[DMK]

What's behind that "paper" target, anyway? The tracers are going all over the place after passing through, some taking off in their own direction (over the berm and whatnot) after impact with the...um, paper. I noticed that too. One shot clearly goes off to the left at about 45 degrees and a few others go up into the trees above the hill. They must be hitting something metal on the stand.

[Feanaro]

I think that smoke/man is actually a moving paper target. It maintains it's shape the whole time so that eliminates smoke. It also appears to be following a set path, slowly. I doubt it's a human, doesn't look much like one.

[Daniel Watters]

Back in the Spring of 1999, FN did a full demo of its wares at MCRC's Open House. This ranged from the Five-seveN all the way up to the M2HB-QCB. During a demo of the P90 with tracers, more than one bounced up and over the high berm of the General Purpose bay. This resulted in a small brush fire that led to a mad rush downrange and a panicked attempt by the Range Officers to stomp out the fire. None to soon, their boots were supplimented by the late arrival of shovels.

[Dave Markowitz]

And if your going to be doing any range time with them, don't wear pants with cuffs; since the P90 down ejects, cuffs tend to collect the empties.

Well, that just makes it easier to police your brass! :)

[Coronach]

The poltergeist in the footage is a puff of smoke. If you look at it in fullscreen mode it is expanding and rising as it drifts towards the left. Also, it is semi-transparent. I know few people who possess all of those qualities. ;)

In the small window, however, it does look eerily man-like.

And I soooooooo want a P90.

Mike

[Sactown]

That is too cool. Thanks for the entertainment. ha

[michiganfan]

way cool

[atek3]

p90, fun toy, but I really wouldn't use one to defend myself. If I wanted a full auto Pea shooter I'd get one of those compressed air BB thompsons that fire #7 steel shot.

atek3