Increasing state reciprocity


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JesseJames
August 16, 2006, 01:17 PM
This is an extension of "National CCW" which most probably won't happen, but I think this is much more doable.

Thoughts?

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Frog48
August 16, 2006, 01:28 PM
State reciprocity in all 50 states = GOOD.

"National CCW" issued by federal govt = BAD.

Its as simple as that, in my opinion.

wdlsguy
August 16, 2006, 01:39 PM
State reciprocity is definitely the way to go. By the way, when is Connecticut going to start honoring out of state licenses? :neener:

Devonai
August 16, 2006, 02:00 PM
A Connecticut non-resident permit is relatively easy to get. I got mine in less than 30 days. You need to supply your own fingerprint cards and passport-sized photos, but it's no more of a hassle than running a few errands. The permit itself is a five year permit and costs $80, not a horrible deal IMO.

wdlsguy
August 16, 2006, 02:09 PM
A Connecticut non-resident permit is relatively easy to get.

The subject of the thread is "Increasing state reciprocity". :banghead:

JesseJames
August 16, 2006, 02:22 PM
It's definitely an uphill battle in this state. Especially in what we have for representatives at the Capital Building.
Both the Republican reps here are moderates.
To me it just makes sense to honor out-of-state licenses and permits but I guess reps are too afraid of the potential for crime in the urban areas.

RealGun
August 16, 2006, 03:07 PM
States would need to find a least common denominator for licensing requirements, training requirements in particular. It simply won't fly for a State to have stiffer requirements for its own residents than for non-residents.

A desire for a license to be quickly verified would also impose a uniform protocol requirement for electronic inquiries. The alternative there would be a centralized database, and we know how well that idea would be received.

Of course, the right way is to make it clear that States shall not infringe upon the RKBA...stick their licenses, which they can take away, and don't tell me I must conceal or carry any differently than a policeman, who works for me.

I must say though that the part I like about the SC view is basic training, verification of basic shooting skill, and a tested knowledge of applicable laws. This is not different in concept than a driver's license. Knowledge of guns is far less natural than it was 200 years ago, and handguns are far more prevalent than carrying long guns.

Devonai
August 16, 2006, 03:20 PM
So, if your going to complain about not being able to carry in Connecticut, don't blame me if I come up with a viable alternative.

The more non-resident permits you have, the more reciprocity you have. Sometimes the power is in your hands.

wdlsguy
August 16, 2006, 03:46 PM
I think New Hampshire and Florida have the right idea:
- Willing to sign reciprocity agreements
- Willing to issue nonresident licenses

Correia
August 16, 2006, 04:55 PM
Utah and Florida lead the nation. This year we've issued more Utah permits to out of state residents than in state. We're honored in something like 33 states now.

National reciprocity is coming. Whether the antis like it or not. The snowball is rolling downhill. Every year a few more states begin honoring each other. It will get to the point that all CCW states honor each other, just a matter of time.

There will be some holdout anti strongholds, but eventually the vast majority of the country will not only be shall issue, but honoring each other's permits. At that point those holdouts are going to look mighty stupid. :)

TallPine
August 16, 2006, 05:06 PM
States would need to find a least common denominator for licensing requirements, training requirements in particular. It simply won't fly for a State to have stiffer requirements for its own residents than for non-residents.
Really...? AFAIK, a drivers license for a 15 year old Montana resident is valid in any other state.

coat4gun
August 16, 2006, 05:13 PM
and my PA permit that required no training is valid in 18 other States, many that require training.

romma
August 16, 2006, 05:35 PM
The more non-resident permits you have, the more reciprocity you have. Sometimes the power is in your hands Well Devonai, all these individual out of state permits add up to $cha-ching eventually... I have my resident Ct and Fl permits That will have to do for now I suppose. I did call Dept of Public Safety once and asked about the possibility of reciprocity in the future once, and got an absolute "NO"... That was all the guy would say. I said thank you very much, and he just hung up on me... :rolleyes:

Car Knocker
August 16, 2006, 06:37 PM
It simply won't fly for a State to have stiffer requirements for its own residents than for non-residents.

Utah honors ANY permit, whether more or less stringent than a resident permit.

cmidkiff
August 16, 2006, 07:08 PM
Missouri is now honored in 26 states... and accepts a valid permit from any state. We've come a long way in just under 2 years!

I'd _really_ like to see CCW work the way our founders intended... no permit nessisary. Since it's not going to happen soon, I'd be happy to see us work towards that goal, and national recognition of state issued CCW permits is a step in the right direction.:)

US Federal issued permit for anything gun related is a huge leap in the opposite direction. The only federal gun law that we need is the 2nd amendment. All the others are unconstitutional, and should be thrown out.:fire:

Devonai
August 16, 2006, 08:25 PM
Well Devonai, all these individual out of state permits add up to $cha-ching eventually...

True, but for $20 you can get your NH non-resident permit for four years.

wdlsguy
August 16, 2006, 08:29 PM
How many driver's licenses do I need to drive in all 50 states? How many CHLs should I need to carry in all 50 states?

Hawkmoon
August 16, 2006, 08:37 PM
A Connecticut non-resident permit is relatively easy to get. I got mine in less than 30 days. You need to supply your own fingerprint cards and passport-sized photos, but it's no more of a hassle than running a few errands. The permit itself is a five year permit and costs $80, not a horrible deal IMO.
$80 may not sound like a horrible deal to you, but it doesn't sound so great to me.

I have a CT license. I grew up there and my brother lives there. I also have permits/licenses from several other states. The CT license is ONLY good in CT. They don't recognize any of my other permits/licenses, and only a handful of other states unilaterally recognize CT. Most of the other New England states also don't have or offer any reciprocity. Just to get coverage in all the New England states would cost several hundred dollars. The terms of their licenses aren't all the same, but on average you'd probably be looking at between $100 and $150 every year, just for New England. Now factor in all the other states that don't honor any of those permits, and to be legal in every state would cost you several hundred dollars, every single year.

That's not a very attractive deal at all. For now, I've pretty much settled in where I am. I still like Acadia National Park and that part of Maine, so I may get Maine. But right now the permits I have (which have some overlap in reciprocity) cover something like 30 or 32 states. That's not terrible, but it should be 50, and it shouldn't require multiple permits to do it.

George S.
August 16, 2006, 08:57 PM
Ccomparing the universal recognizing of one state driver's license in all other states compared to a national CCW is sort of like comparing apples to oranges.

Think of this: How many people have you seen driving around where you wished that they didn't have a driver's license. Now think of those same people carrying a weapon :eek: :D

Until all 50 states get together and come up with a rational and effective plan to create a sort of "universal" CCW, there is no real way that this can happen. Reciprocity is only going to happen between those states where the "rules" for acquiring a CCW license is acceptable to them.

WA changed their rules for reciprocity a couple years ago but all it really did was to increase the number of other recognized states from 4 to 7 although 18 states recognize a WA CPL license. The WA Legislature provided the change and left the state Dept of Licensing to decide which of the other states had similar background checks that met the WA standards for a CCW issuance.

If all of the states were serious about reciprocity, they would have gotten together by now and created some sort of standard or universal background check procedure that satisfied everyone. Not gonna happen anytime soon.

Frog48
August 16, 2006, 10:28 PM
How many people have you seen driving around where you wished that they didn't have a driver's license. Now think of those same people carrying a weapon

The number of CHL holders would not increase, it would simply allow them to carry everywhere. So the number of bad CHL holder wouldnt be any different than it is now, any more than if restricting drivers licenses to your state of residence would decrease the the number of bad drivers.

How many driver's licenses do I need to drive in all 50 states? How many CHLs should I need to carry in all 50 states?

I dont understand why the "full faith and credit clause" in the Constitution doesnt apply to CHL's. If drivers licenses, marriages, birth certificates, etc are recognized, CHL's should be too.

Just another example of our politicians trampling upon the Constitution.

Car Knocker
August 16, 2006, 11:34 PM
I dont understand why the "full faith and credit clause" in the Constitution doesnt apply to CHL's. If drivers licenses, marriages, birth certificates, etc are recognized, CHL's should be too.

In short, the same reason a barber licensed in Wisconsin can't set up shop in Texas without getting a Texas barber's license. Same goes for real estate people , doctors, lawyers, etc. I think you'll also find that not all marriage licenses are recognized by Texas.

If you do a search on "full faith and credit clause" you will find previous discussions on this topic.

Diomed
August 17, 2006, 03:02 AM
At that point those holdouts are going to look mighty stupid.

They already do! They don't care about looking stupid now, they won't in the future either. It'd probably be a badge of honor for them.

krisatc21
July 17, 2010, 01:44 PM
What is wrong with Florida and their Real Estate reciprocity behavior? How archaic- I want to get my licience with the State of North Carolina and maybe Georgia- and I have to go through the whole Real Estate process for each State? How retarded is this Florida? What are you so scared about? Or just Greed.( trust me nobody wants anything from this state anymore)I have been a Realtor for 26 yrs for Gods Sakes-how typical of Florida

Demitrios
July 17, 2010, 01:48 PM
National reciprocity is coming. Whether the antis like it or not. The snowball is rolling downhill. Every year a few more states begin honoring each other. It will get to the point that all CCW states honor each other, just a matter of time.

About a year ago H.R. 197: the National Right to Carry Reciprocity Act got shot down, by quite a small margin at that. Which is a real shame considering I live in NJ and have a Utah carry permit so. . . I would've been able to carry.

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