Cal DOJ harasses vendors at NV gun show.


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Creeping Incrementalism
August 16, 2006, 08:43 PM
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Ignatius Chinn


I noticed a thread on CalGuns.net where Bill Wiese said Ignatius Chinn, Agent at the Cal DOJ Firearms Division, was harassing vendors at the Big Reno Show last weekend, telling them it was a felony for someone in Nevada to sell >10 round mags to a California resident while in Nevada. This is completely untrue, and especially astounding considering that Iggy gave a talk on Firearms Laws at California and Nevada Gun Shows at the National Asian Peace Officers' Association in Las Vegas just a few days before this. (http://www.napoaonline.org/NAPOA_course_schedule.htm)

Bill posted this at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=38464. Note that the admin of CalGuns.net won't even let us say the names of various government officials, hence the use of phrases such as "Mr. Asian DOJ man".

I should add the the Cal DOJ is known for following people with California license plates out of Nevada gun shows after making purchases of >10 round mags, then arresting them in California. But it is of course legal for Californians to buy >10 round mags in Nevada, and keep them there, and only use them for shooting trips out to the desert. It is also legal to import replacement parts for >10 round mags already owned by Californians.

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Pilgrim
August 16, 2006, 08:52 PM
CA DOJ really has the time, money, and resources to follow CA license plates to see if they go to gun shows in NV?

How do they know if a person buys a 10+ magazine he is from CA and worth following out the door?

Pilgrim

Creeping Incrementalism
August 16, 2006, 09:06 PM
CA DOJ really has the time, money, and resources to follow CA license plates to see if they go to gun shows in NV?

The Firearms Division doesn't have much of a budget, but they seem to think it's important to spend their time doing so.

How do they know if a person buys a 10+ magazine he is from CA and worth following out the do

I imagine they would just follow out anyone that looked suspicious, and if it is not a car with a CA plate he goes to, then keep looking elsewhere. Or they could follow people in who arrive in cars with CA plates.

http://home.comcast.net/~bartelt1508/firingline.jpg

Wiley
August 17, 2006, 07:34 AM
Sounds like a pretty cheezy, little operation to me.

At least Mayor BloomingIdiot sends 'agents' all over the East coast making illegal gun purchases on the taxpayers dime. And the ATF runs operations in VA, on federal tax dollars, using the state and local cops, to tell all your neighbors that you are going to buy a gun.

But CADOJ gets headlines for the price of gas money and McD's happymeals. (Wonder if the 'asian DOJ guy' has to turn in the toys?)

Creeping Incrementalism
August 17, 2006, 10:35 AM
Yeah, it is not as big as Bloomberg's harassment. But it is still maddening.

I saw an interview in Iggy's office, and he has a safe full of seized firearms, and he pulled out and racked the bolt of a Mak-90 for the cameras.

fourays2
August 17, 2006, 11:14 AM
I guess all other serious crimes have been solved in CA. Must truly be a paradise.

BobTheTomato
August 17, 2006, 11:23 AM
This reminds me of a situation when I lived Maryland. Residents of Delaware would cross into MD to buy beer and wine. DE undercover state police would follow them into MD then charge them when they went back into DE. This worked until the sheriff started arresting the undercover state police. They got the message not to mess with their customers.
On a side note this sounds like a PR stunt that will highlight "trafficing of illegal arms in CA" :barf: :barf: :barf:

HankB
August 17, 2006, 11:25 AM
If I was operating legally in NV and someone from CA tried to harass me . . . I'd harass them right back. :barf:

Seems to me the NV show's promoter could show Iggy & company the door, ejecting them for creating a disturbance.

Or at least put up big posters featuring Iggy's mug and a caption "Don't trust this man, he's a liar from California!"

(Here's a thought - do CA DOJ operatives working in NV violate any NV laws?)

armedandsafe
August 17, 2006, 12:34 PM
Back in the early 90s, there was a sting effort by the San Diego PD up in Carlsbad. Somebody noticed that a vendor was offering ilegal purchases and flagged in the nearest BATF agent, offering to participate in the sting to bust the perps. That got quite interesting, for awhile. :evil: BATF tried to arrest PD officers, PD officers tried to arrest good samaritan, good samaritan produced tape recording of countersting agreement and video tape of PD's illegal ops, everybody shouting at once.

Pops

Creeping Incrementalism
August 17, 2006, 07:26 PM
armedandsafe, do you have a link?

On a side note this sounds like a PR stunt that will highlight "trafficing of illegal arms in CA"It is not a PR stunt. They just have a passion for keeping "assault weapons" out of the hands of Californians, even the law-abiding.

(Here's a thought - do CA DOJ operatives working in NV violate any NV laws?)They have no police powers there, though maybe they could be arrested for disturbing the peace (by harassing law abiding vendors and customers). Wouldn't that be the day.

gunsmith
August 17, 2006, 09:31 PM
I could carry it at a gun show advising that he is CA DOJ...couldn't hurt and might be fun

lawdogso
August 17, 2006, 09:51 PM
I saw that crew talking on their radios. I was watching them watch someone else. I thought they were LE of some type but could not figure out who. If I would have known who and what they were doing I might of had to accidentally spill my soda on 'em. Oops!!
lawdogso

AJAX22
August 17, 2006, 11:06 PM
Well there's always the option of calling the agents on their cell phones while they are at the show.

The numbers are available online

http://www.ncapoa.org/

The infamous guy is Acting Vice President and Seargent at Arms

armedandsafe
August 17, 2006, 11:26 PM
No, I don't have a link. Even 25 years ago, such stuff didn't get reported. I do know what I observed, although the exact details are beginning to fuzz a bit. I do remember the ruckus when the two groups of LE started flashing badges and yelling, though.

Pops

Pilgrim
August 17, 2006, 11:43 PM
I imagine they would just follow out anyone that looked suspicious, and if it is not a car with a CA plate he goes to, then keep looking elsewhere. Or they could follow people in who arrive in cars with CA plates.
Profiling Californians? How does one do that?

444
August 17, 2006, 11:45 PM
"Seems to me the NV show's promoter could show Iggy & company the door, ejecting them for creating a disturbance."

The show is held at the Hilton Hotel & Casino. I can assure you that nothing like that is going to happen. That hotel was built with money from **********ns. Whatever the gun show promoter pays the hotel is spit in the ocean compared to the Billions that **********ns pump into the Nevada gaming industry. Cities like Reno and Las Vegas exist to take **********ns money. Cities like Reno and Las Vegas exist because they were built with **********n money.

"How do they know if a person buys a 10+ magazine he is from CA and worth following out the door?"
They look like **********ns.

Creeping Incrementalism
August 18, 2006, 12:26 AM
does anyone have a pic?
I could carry it at a gun show advising that he is CA DOJ...couldn't hurt and might be fun

Did you look at the captioned photo on the first post? Anyway, he seems to be at most major gun shows that Californians attend, and is quite well known, so it's not like he's trying to hide.

Well there's always the option of calling the agents on their cell phones while they are at the show.

The numbers are available online

http://www.ncapoa.org/

...

blackedoutharley
August 18, 2006, 12:31 AM
Exactly how do us Californians "look"?

I specificially wear my Reno HD shirt for that reason, lol. :neener:

I saw one guy on the radio and not knowing what he looked like said "Hi Iggy" as I passed him. He didnt seem to be too happy with me but I figured that in Nevada he is just another regular citizen like I.

p.s. 10 mags are legal to own and purchase; It is the mags over 10 round capacity that are not legal to import into California. However, it is legal to purchase hi-cap in other states you just cant bring it back with you.
:banghead:

Snake Eyes
August 18, 2006, 12:37 AM
Profiling Californians? How does one do that?
Exactly how do us Californians "look"?

No socks.

:neener:

(Unless, of course, they live in Seizure World--then it's socks with shorts and sandals!)

444
August 18, 2006, 01:12 AM
"Exactly how do us Californians "look"?"

When you are shaving tomorrow morning, that image in the mirror, that's what a **********n looks like. You stand out like a sore thumb.


I was thinking that he probably drives around the parking lot. When a car is going over 60 in the parking lot or cuts him off, he knows they are from "over there". :neener: Or maybe he pays attention to the people that don't tip the valet: :evil: Once he catches your attention inbetween cell phone calls and text messages, he pulls you over and kalifornicates you.:neener: :neener:




Oh, this is fun. :D

oneslowgun
August 18, 2006, 01:31 AM
I thought it was more the "Three Strikes" rule.

If your in NV, at a gun show, buying hi-cap mags, and then use the word "Dude" 3 times in 60 seconds... They just slap the cuffs on you. :D

Diomed
August 18, 2006, 03:19 AM
Residents of Delaware would cross into MD to buy beer and wine. DE undercover state police would follow them into MD then charge them when they went back into DE.

I didn't know there were any dry states left. :confused:

50 Freak
August 18, 2006, 03:56 AM
How does one know if someone is a Californian?

They are typically clean shaven and don't smell like the cat dragged them in. Their wallets are fat and they walk around a NV gun show with bugged out eyes and are typically drooling. However, they never buy anything but beef jerky and ammo.

Just kidding. I was at the Reno show and saw Iggy there too. That guy needs to be shown the door by the Hilton and the Lou Fiasco Show.:evil:

Liberal Gun Nut
August 18, 2006, 04:03 AM
It's so much easier to bust someone who is a normal law-abiding person who happens to violate a nonsense law like this than it is to go after real criminals who harm other people. That's why the DoJ does this. It's easier and more fun than catching real criminals. Also they bust people who are more affluent and have something to lose, which is more fun. Criminals don't care as much.

Thank you for posting the real full name and photo of this agent. They snoop on us, which gives us tacit approval for us to snoop on them. "What's good for the goose...." as they say.

Oh and just in case that website deletes it, Iggy Chin's phone number is: 916-826-6081

I just wonder, when Mr. Chinn goes home at the end of the day, does he think to himself, "I made the world a better place by messing up the life of an ordinary guy who just happens to be into guns and just happened to buy a standard-capacity mag for his gun. I feel good about the fact that I may have cost him a year of his income in legal fees, possibly messed up his career, etc, over this meaningless technical violation."

QuickDraw
August 18, 2006, 09:10 PM
Or the real question....
Why is there a NorCal Asian Police Assoc.??
Do like I do,stay at the Hilton and leave
at 6 AM on sunday.:neener:
Theres nobody around except detritus
from Sat. night.:eek:
Tip:Go up on Friday,before the "honest"
dealers change their prices for the Kali's.

joe4702
August 18, 2006, 11:04 PM
I'm disgusted that I'm paying the salaries of these goons. No doubt California is a bergeoning police state, with jerks like Chin making a good living harassing and trashing the lives of decent men via BS unconstitutional laws.

Too risky to go after real bad guys, like the MS-13 gang bangers pouring into the state. Instead, the politicans want to give them free tuition.

I've reached the point that the only thing holding me here is my job. Family, climate, & all the other justifications no longer compensate for the idiocy of this place.

gunsmith
August 19, 2006, 12:12 AM
where is the pic???

Ieyasu
August 19, 2006, 12:41 AM
What a complete waste of law enforcement.

Kal gun rights activists should buy mags and dump them before crossing the border. I realize that's a waste of time and money (and then who knows what charges they might file), but I can dream, can't I?

bg
August 19, 2006, 01:02 AM
Since when are 10 round mags illegal in Corruptfornia ?
First I had heard of this. I know mags over 10 rounds
are illegal, but I thought 10 round and down were legal.

mp510
August 20, 2006, 03:30 PM
Residents of Delaware would cross into MD to buy beer and wine. DE undercover state police would follow them into MD then charge them when they went back into DE.


I didn't know there were any dry states left.
I was in Sussex County, DE a couple days ago. Delaware is most certainly not a dry state. Plenty of bars and restaurant that serve booze (beer, wine, and hard liquor). I even saw a couple package stores. Not as many as up here in CT, but they were around. I bet the stings were to ensure DE got its tax revenue.

Diomed
August 21, 2006, 02:55 AM
I bet the stings were to ensure DE got its tax revenue.

I'm pretty ignorant of alcohol tax laws, so this may well be a terminally stupid question. How can one state penalize someone for buying liquor from a different state, if they are not prohibited from buying legally (i.e. under twenty-one)? It doesn't seem to add up.

Kaeto
August 21, 2006, 06:13 AM
Try telling that to the state of Mi. Where they go after people who buy their Cigarettes in Ohio because the taxes are less there.

BobTheTomato
August 21, 2006, 06:18 AM
The stings MD to DE did have to do with tax revenue (Sorry I should have made it more clear). It did have anything to do with DE being a dry state. It would be nice if law enforcement in NV would take this cue and arrest the CA cops.

Art Eatman
August 21, 2006, 05:15 PM
Drifting, drifting...

Art

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