Nagin Says Racism Impeded Katrina Relief


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The_Shootist
August 18, 2006, 09:40 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14414777/

Nagin says if Katrina happened anywhere else, the repsonse would have been different.

You mean Ray, if Katrina had happened anywhere but in the most corrupt crime ridden city in the world YOU were in charge of??? Say it ain't so! :evil:

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TetVet68
August 18, 2006, 09:47 PM
Nagin has proven time & time again that he's a total idiot.

444
August 18, 2006, 09:53 PM
Nagin is a racist.

Robert Hairless
August 18, 2006, 10:07 PM
"And I, to this day, believe that if that would have happened in Orange County, California, if that would have happened in South Beach, Miami, it would have been a different response," the mayor said.

Mayor Nagin might be right. It could very well be that the mayors of Orange County, California, and South Beach, Miami, are competent. Mayor Nagin, however, was incompetent at addressing the Katrina disaster and is incompetent at addressing its aftermath. It's fascinating to watch the man parade his incompetence in public as if it is a badge of honor. But it is even more fascinating to observe the voters of New Orleans who chose him to represent them and who can't figure out why things go wrong there.

Hyunchback
August 18, 2006, 10:16 PM
New Orleans' failure to return the guns siezed in total disregard to the the Constitution is racism.

AJAX22
August 18, 2006, 10:37 PM
The race card is the lowest one in the deck.

Hawkmoon
August 18, 2006, 10:54 PM
Mayor Nagin is delusional.

Frog48
August 18, 2006, 10:57 PM
Of course the response would have been different if a hurricane hit South Beach or Orange County... they wouldnt have had to deal with all the flooding, because people there arent stupid enough to build a coastal city below freakin sea-level.

And like yall have mentioned, if there had been competant mayoral and gubernatorial administrations in place, that would have made a huge difference.

Gunfire
August 18, 2006, 11:32 PM
Mayor Nagin is delusional.

What about those that (re)-elected him? They deserve what they elect.

TrapperReady
August 18, 2006, 11:34 PM
Early on in the whole Katrina coverage, I started inserting "Idiot Mayor..." whenever Nagin's name was used. At first, my wife thought I was being humorous, but after a fairly short time she realized that it was actually a very apt description.

Lone_Gunman
August 18, 2006, 11:43 PM
I was hoping this hurricane season would finish Chocolate City off once and for all.

Kue380
August 18, 2006, 11:49 PM
well i live in the new orleans area and i must say he is a total putz.

and the only reason he was re elected was because the other person running was "white" and they allowed voters from texas and surrounding states cast absentee votes

JBusch8899
August 19, 2006, 01:14 AM
If Nagin and company would have followed the National (and the state, and the city) Response Plan(s), the situation would have been mitigated long before this last hurricane hit.

Evidence shows that the city and state disregarded response plans in lieu of their own egos.

sctman800
August 19, 2006, 01:31 AM
"Very little of those dollars have gotten to the local governments or to the people themselves," Nagin said.


Does anyone else think Nagin is concerned the money hasn't reached LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICALS? Jim.

xd9fan
August 19, 2006, 01:51 AM
Nagin's reelection proves that nothing in NO will change. Dependency rolls on...

EddieCoyle
August 19, 2006, 10:00 AM
Nagin is absolutely correct. If it had happened anywhere else, the response would have been different. It is an indisputable fact that had Katrina hit any other city, the devastation and resulting chaos would have been far less.

However, the reason is not racism; it is incompetence.

Nagin and his administration are perhaps the most incompetent group of people ever to run anything. If you want a blueprint for how to cause the maximum misery in the face of a natural disaster, you need to look no further than to what they did before and after Katrina.

FEMA is called in by the local authorities to help the local relief efforts. If the local relief efforts are virtually non-existent, rife with corruption, poorly planned, and poorly led, then FEMA has to start at square one. Had Nagin and his people done even a modicum of logical preparation, FEMA would have been able to provide much more effective relief.

The scariest thing is that this clown got re-elected! The people of New Orleans that voted for Nagin get what they deserve.

If you were to place Nagin and his administration in a northern city, the population would be screaming for his head after the first snowstorm.

Phetro
August 19, 2006, 10:13 AM
Nagin is neither incompetant nor delusional. He has the people of New Orleans right where he wants them: brainwashed by his propaganda, which is spoon-fed to them by the media. The media supports his reign of oppression, of course, being leftists themselves.

The people of New Orleans do deserve what they get, however--after all, they had the choice all along to think critically, and having done so would inevitably have reached the conclusion that the leftist Nagin is not of any value to their city.

tegemu
August 19, 2006, 10:18 AM
I find it interesting to note that whenever I see pictures of the relief efforts, the relief workers are almost exclusively white. In the stadium which the white Govmnt is accused of allowing it to be a filthy, unhealthy, violent place - I can'tfigure out why the refugees couldn't police themselves, clean up the place and help all the white folks providing beds and food. Nagin has proven himself to be a racist time and again and his reelection is because he is a racist black man. If he act's like a racist, if he talks like a racist = he is a racist!!!! The local government that did not provide for the people of NO, before the storm was, and is, black and I expect future problems, caused by incompetance, corruption and neglect will also be blamed on white folks.

progunner1957
August 19, 2006, 10:25 AM
Maybe the police and the National Guard should have spent their time actually HELPING law abiding citizens instead of shoving M16's in their faces, body slamming grandmas and stealing their legally owned firearms!

Nagin is a moron, a socialist, a corrupt politician and an antigun bigot - period.

What does it tell us about the sheeple of New Orleans, considering that he was re-elected AFTER the Katrina debacle?:barf:

the pistolero
August 19, 2006, 10:40 AM
Nagin has proven himself to be a racist time and again and his reelection is because he is a racist black man. If he act's like a racist, if he talks like a racist = he is a racist!!!!

Yes, indeed, and perhaps the most infuriating thing about that is that no one with any wide audience is going to call him (or, for that matter, Spike Lee) out for that, or his continued buck-passing. As far as Mr. Nagin's competence, I have a hard time believing that he would have willfully thrown so many innocents on the fire -- or, as the case turned out to be, in the rancid water -- purely to advance whatever agenda he might have. But, then, he might just be that corrupt and self-serving. New Orleans politicians aren't exactly known for their integrity and the shining examples they set. In any case, he's a poor excuse for a leader, a man, and a human being.

Sistema1927
August 19, 2006, 11:58 AM
I am about 1/2 way through reading Shelby Steele's excellent White Guilt: How Blacka and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Movement. (I borrowed mine from the Library, but here it is on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060578629/103-4719878-8319804?v=glance&n=28315))

Read this book, and you will begin to understand why Nagin, and the rest of the race baiters, continue to hold power over the black community. Until this problem is recognized and understood, America, as a whole, will never advance, and the black community will be the losers.

Marshall
August 19, 2006, 12:10 PM
Idiot

trueblue1776
August 19, 2006, 12:20 PM
http://imnotchocolate.com/

Deanimator
August 19, 2006, 01:32 PM
Then Ray Nagin hates Black people, since he killed more Black people in New Orleans in two weeks than the Klan has in 100 YEARS.

loadedround
August 19, 2006, 02:19 PM
I'm not one to call names or point fingers but that man(used loosely) is a racist lunatic just waiting for his next handout from the federal government. The people in New Oleans got what they deserve! Thee will be another "next time":mad:

NineseveN
August 19, 2006, 02:46 PM
Reaping what one sows is simply unavoidable...sowing disater and ignorance however, is certainly something that one can refrain from. Sadly, the voters of New Orleans have planted the field with seeds of calamity, the harvest won't be long off now.

KenW.
August 19, 2006, 02:48 PM
Somebody send that mayor's office a link to this thread.

After the "chocolate" remark, and his ridiculous attempt to cover it up by talking about delcious chocolate shakes, the racism is apparant.

junyo
August 19, 2006, 02:51 PM
If Nagin is an idiot racist (and he may well be) then it's white folks fault he was mayor in the first place. Nagin got to be the mayor via 85% of the white vote versus 40% of the black vote. Does this thread serve any RKBA purpose at all other than so people can self validate by calling a black man a racist?

lostone1413
August 19, 2006, 04:11 PM
My neighbor is in the Guard. He went to Mis. and New Orleans both. He told me allot of Mississippi was in worse shape then even New Orleans. Said it got him most of the aid went to New Orleans and very little was coming into Mississippi. I asked him why he thought that was. He said if you seen the racial make up of both places you would know why.

With Nagin being the racist that he is I can't help but wonder what percentage of the volunteers were White and what percent of the money donated came from us evil White People. Oh heck that is easy to figure

Robert Hairless
August 19, 2006, 08:25 PM
Junyo:

If Nagin is an idiot racist (and he may well be) then it's white folks fault he was mayor in the first place. Nagin got to be the mayor via 85% of the white vote versus 40% of the black vote. Does this thread serve any RKBA purpose at all other than so people can self validate by calling a black man a racist?

The only reason I can think of for this thread being of some interest in a forum like this is because of C. Ray Nagin's behavior in illegally depriving the people of New Orleans of the means to defend themselves at a dangerous time. If your point is that it's too much of stretch, I think I might agree with you.

But you go off the cliff when you argue that the thread's only purposes is "so people can self validate by calling a black man a racist." The implication in your claim about self validation is that everyone who identified Mayor Nagin as a racist is white. You can't possibly know the race of everyone who posts here or who has commented about Mayor Nagin's racism. In fact you yourself just said that he may well be "an idot racist." Were you trying to validate yourself with that comment?

My own response had nothing to do with Mayor Nagin's race or his racism: I addressed his incompetence and its contribution to the problems faced by the people of New Orleans. I don't link race and competence or the lack thereof, and I'm a bit shocked at the thought that anyone else might make such a connection. Just to make my own point clearer, C. Ray Nagin would be a bloody incompetent--an incompetent of majestic, almost mind-boggling, proportions in fact--regardless of his race. His behavior as mayor during and after Katrina illustrates the meaning and spirit of mayoral incompetence, and the voters of New Orleans who reelected him after having had the opportunity to experience his absolute unfitness for any public office seem to me to illustrate the kind of electorate who have no one but themselves to blame for whatever troubles result from their absolutely stupid choice. They were stupid for reelecting him no matter what their race.

junyo
August 19, 2006, 09:30 PM
The only reason I can think of for this thread being of some interest in a forum like this is because of C. Ray Nagin's behavior in illegally depriving the people of New Orleans of the means to defend themselves at a dangerous time. If your point is that it's too much of stretch, I think I might agree with you.Which was my point precisely. Previous to your comment one other person mentioned the word gun (or a synonym thereof). Just lots of black/white commentary. So what's it doing here?
The implication in your claim about self validation is that everyone who identified Mayor Nagin as a racist is white.I didn't intend to make that implication. And indeed it would be foolish of me to do so since almost anybody on this planet can (and probably does) hate anybody else, including members of their own race. I meant to imply that some of the people commenting, regardless of their own race, have a problem with either a) stupid people, or b) black people. If it's the former, then great, let's all start a thread up at www.ihatestupidpeople.com; just clear the clutter from this RKBA board. If it's the latter, then stormfront.org already has a forum, and ditto.
I don't link race and competence or the lack thereof, and I'm a bit shocked at the thought that anyone else might make such a connection.I applaud that, I really do. And if you live in a colorblind world then it must be nice in Fluffy Bunny Dreamland. But here in the real world, content has to be assessed somewhat less generously, and it's not readily apparent that your mentality is universal. Again, since we're all agreed we merely hate imcompetents, then where's the other "Lets hurl random insults at elected officials entirely unrelated to anything" thread?

The numbers say Nagin was mayor at the time of Katrina and his sucktacular performance pretty much on the back of the white vote, and remains mayor while going through his "I'm a freakin' loon" period on the basis of the black vote. So the major demographic factors in NO have both managed to screw each other over. If he can get enough Hispanics into the city and voting for him in the next election he officially wins the Marion Barry Slam. Are we done?

Art Eatman
August 19, 2006, 11:36 PM
Dunno if "we" are done, but the thread is...

:), Art

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