Richard Daley Of Chicago


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limbaughfan
August 19, 2006, 01:20 PM
I saw an interview of him on CSPAN,he seems to be your typical socialist democrat.He did not speak about guns,how anti gun is he.

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Don Gwinn
August 19, 2006, 01:47 PM
Fanatically.

Do you perhaps have something to say about the guy, or perhaps a deeper question to ask? There's not much here.

limbaughfan
August 19, 2006, 01:57 PM
Yes,sorry for the non spacific question.Here is a better question.What kind of antigun legislation is he proposing.

1 old 0311
August 19, 2006, 01:58 PM
Sara Brady looks at him with awe.

harvester of sorrow
August 19, 2006, 01:59 PM
Anything you can think of and many more things you'd never imagine. I don't think he's called for all gunowners to be immediately imprisoned yet, but I could be wrong.

limbaughfan
August 19, 2006, 02:07 PM
so he is worse than bloomberg

cslinger
August 19, 2006, 02:10 PM
The difference between Sarah Brady and Daley is I truely believe Brady and Finestein do what they do because they are driven at least at some level by what they believe is the right thing to do no matter how warped or wrong they may be.

Daley on the other hand is nothing more then a common street thug in a nice suit. He is a criminal with criminal intent IMO. He is as anti gun as they come and is a snake pure and simple.

Chris

Phetro
August 19, 2006, 02:16 PM
Richard Daley is the single most destructive political force that has ever existed in Stalinois. There is no measure his regime will not implement to further tax, oppress, and restrict the subjects of the People's Republic of Chicago. He owns the state's milquetoast governor, and ensures that the subjects' rights are steadily decreased while they are distracted by tokens, false promises, and meaningless city programs.

The people of Chicago are plagued by traffic, and Daley's response is to plant flowers in the median of Lake Shore Drive.

The people are plagued by taxation from every angle, and a cost of living that puts nearly every city in America in a favorable light, and his response is to lower the speed limit on Lake Shore Drive under the pretense of keeping exhaust off the flowers. Of course, the real reason is to increase speeding ticket income, which was already unacceptably high due to the senselessly-low speed limit on the Drive (it is a 6-to-8-lane highway, and the speed limit is now 40 in most places).

The "government" of Chicago is plagued by corruption, and his response is to deny involvement, while every single one of his appointees resigns one by one as they are found out. The investigation is getting closer to him, but everyone pretty much knows everything will be covered up succesfully before he is taken down by the feds.

The city is plagued by crime, and his response is to condemn guns, strengthen the already unbearable police state, and stigmatize personal responsibility.

A pack of cigarettes costs between $8 and $10, and good luck finding a place to smoke. A gallon of gas, due to the taxes, costs well over $3.00. A mile-long cab ride costs $5. The sales tax is NINE PERCENT.

Do not live in Chicago. Do not visit Chicago. If you must visit, do not spend money in Chicago.

limbaughfan
August 19, 2006, 02:29 PM
Is a FOID card shall issue in Chicago

Phetro
August 19, 2006, 02:29 PM
so he is worse than bloomberg

If being that bad is even possible, Daley could manage.

The_Shootist
August 19, 2006, 02:32 PM
So how does he keep getting elected? You only get the gov't you deserve.

Phetro
August 19, 2006, 02:33 PM
Is a FOID card shall issue in Chicago

Yes, provided you have no convictions for felonies, don't use drugs, aren't nuts, and are over 21.

But there are no gun stores in Chicago. There is no carry in Chicago. There is not even legal ownership in Chicago. They used a DC-style "you have to register all firearms but you can't register after xxxx date" run-around loophole to destroy the right to keep and bear arms.

Want to defend yourself against an armed criminal? Use your bare hands. When you die, Daley will blame guns for your murder.

Phetro
August 19, 2006, 02:34 PM
So how does he keep getting elected? You only get the gov't you deserve.

The same way Nagin, Bloomberg, and all communists get elected. The media brainwashes the subjects into wanting them.

The_Shootist
August 19, 2006, 02:37 PM
...is there THAT many stupid people there? Don't they read the Internet? :evil:

Phetro
August 19, 2006, 02:43 PM
...is there THAT many stupid people there?

Yes.

Don't they read the Internet?

Yes--sites like the Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun Times (both leftist papers), "democratic" underground, moveon.org, and similar fonts of wisdom. :barf:

Don Gwinn
August 19, 2006, 02:46 PM
The FOID card is shall-issue in Illinois. Chicago doesn't officially control that process. If Daley could figure out a way to make it a may-issue deal and then pressure the issuing body not to issue them in Cook or surrounding counties, he'd gladly do it.

Most years, Daley now comes to the legislature at the beginning of the session with a package of bills sponsored by various legislators. The sponsors, officially referred to as the "authors" of the bills, are formalities only. A few years ago Edward Acevedo was questioned about the Assault Weapon Ban he was sponsoring and had to admit in open session that he didn't know the answers to the questions as he hadn't read the bill. :neener:

Generally, the following proposals make it into the package, though it grows and shrinks from year to year:

1. Assault weapons ban. Usually very draconian. I actually think this is supposed to be trade bait, but so far that has not been necessary. The last version was a complete ban on everything with evil features, plus .50 cal of any kind, with mandatory confiscation. It actually did not allow the use of AR-15-type weapons by police officers or soldiers on duty, though they were allowed an "affirmative defense"--if some kid in the National Guard was arrested for having an M-16 in training, he could go to trial and argue that he was National Guard and would theoretically be acquitted.

2. Limits on numbers of guns purchased in a given time period.

3. State licensing of gun dealers. This replicates the FFL almost word for word, but the licensing fees are the same or higher. Mostly just a money-grab, I think, but since it's shall-issue it theoretically would allow the state to shut down all FFL dealers. Certainly it could shut down all the "Chicagoland" dealers in Illinois.

4. .50 caliber ban. Nuff said.

I'm having a hard time coming up with the rest just offhand. A few years back, when Daley first started the package idea, there were 11 bills. Now it's fewer every year, it seems.

mike101
August 19, 2006, 06:13 PM
Daley makes a point of participating in the Gay Pride Parade every year. He rides on the back of an open convertible.

There's never a rotten tomatoe around when you need one. :evil:

Deanimator
August 19, 2006, 06:23 PM
So how does he keep getting elected? You only get the gov't you deserve.
1. They're all bought and payed for. As long as their street gets plowed in the winter or their kid gets some do nothing city "job", they don't care what happens. Daley could rent out Auschwitz to deal with his political opponents and they wouldn't care as long as the El trains ran on time. See below.

2. Almost as important as what you can suck off the public tit is whether the "government" has its foot on the neck of somebody you don't like. White mayor, the streets in the White neighborhoods get plowed in the winter. Black mayor, the streets in the Black neighborhoods get plowed. Chicago runs on hate. Whites hate Blacks, Blacks hate Jews, Mexicans hate Puerto Ricans, etc., etc., etc. If Abu Musab al Zarqawi had had the sense to run for office in Chicago, he could have been a VERY wealthy man. He tapped into the spirit of Chicago. He just wasn't smart enough to get payed...

NukemJim
August 19, 2006, 09:17 PM
Regarding Daley, he has proposed a 100 mile "gun free" zone centered on Chicago. Yet this is the same mayor who used to tell the cops, when CCW was a misdemeanor, to get the gun and let the person go:confused: . Several old time CPD told me this.

NukemJim

Uzitiger
August 19, 2006, 09:27 PM
'Dick' Daley Jr. is an anti gun nazi like the other leftist. If he had it his way the entire state of Illinois would be disarmed. The City of Chigago has a corrupt political system that the mob would be proud of. Daley is a thug like his father was when he was the head mobster of that city. The city is in disrepair but he puts his name on many of the city signs for roads and parks to show he's the big thug.

The entire Chicago area has a sick anti gun mentality, the suburb of Moron Grove banned ownership of handguns and unfortunately the Supreme Court upheld the ban. (misspelling intentional)

Sarah Brady is an anti gun opportunist sicko who is trying to make a name for herself riding on her husband's misery when he got shot during the attempt on former President Reagan.

Standing Wolf
August 19, 2006, 09:47 PM
So how does he keep getting elected? You only get the gov't you deserve.

So-called "welfare" dollars.

limbaughfan
August 20, 2006, 12:36 AM
My question is,can you own long guns in Chicago.

PCGS65
August 20, 2006, 12:42 AM
My question is,can you own long guns in Chicago.My question is,can you own long guns in Chicago.
You cannot own any guns in chicago unless your an alderman or policeman.
End of story:barf:
And to answer how he keeps getting elected?
See my post here #58....http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=2636264#post2636264

Autolycus
August 20, 2006, 12:49 AM
In addition to what the previous poster said...

Cops, federal agents, city alderman, and the mayor can CCW in Chicago.

The Cook County AWB banned .50 cals because it talked about how motorcylce gangs would rob stores with the big rifles.:uhoh:

I am not kidding. Its scary how antigun Chicago and the city government are.

limbaughfan
August 20, 2006, 12:50 AM
not to say this question again but,YOU CANT OWN ANY GUNS?I thought only handguns were illegal

scout26
August 20, 2006, 12:50 AM
limbaughfan,

The answer to your question is "depends". Chicago has an AWB, so no EBR's. You have to register all your firearms, but any handguns have to have been previous registered in Chicago.

For the offical lawyerese:

http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/ordinances/chicago.pdf (http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/ordinances/chicago.pdf)

limbaughfan
August 20, 2006, 12:54 AM
can you own "huntung types of firearms"

PCGS65
August 20, 2006, 01:01 AM
not to say this question again but,YOU CANT OWN ANY GUNS?I thought only handguns were illegal

The average citizen cannot own any guns rifles ect. in the city limits of chicago.

Scout26 how you been?:)

BOBE
August 20, 2006, 01:19 AM
Has anyone compaired his dna to Al Capone. Capone was from the windy city too.:neener:

saltydog
August 20, 2006, 10:26 AM
'Dick' Daley Jr. is an anti gun nazi like the other leftist. If he had it his way the entire state of Illinois would be disarmed. The City of Chigago has a corrupt political system that the mob would be proud of. Daley is a thug like his father was when he was the head mobster of that city. The city is in disrepair but he puts his name on many of the city signs for roads and parks to show he's the big thug.


The people that elected him are far worse!:confused:

HankB
August 20, 2006, 12:03 PM
The "government" of Chicago is plagued by corruption, and his response is to deny involvement, while every single one of his appointees resigns one by one as they are found out. The investigation is getting closer to him, but everyone pretty much knows everything will be covered up succesfully before he is taken down by the feds. Like father, like son. Someone else will always take the fall. So how does he keep getting elected? He keeps getting elected the same way his father did - he OWNS the graveyard vote. Elections in Chicago are a fraud and a sham, and have been "forever."

There are national implications as well - it was almost certainly election fraud in Chicago that delivered Illinois' electoral votes to JFK, and put him in the White House.

The Daley family's anti-gun antipathy is pathological - I remember when Daley Sr. was mayor, he agreed to send Chicago cops to Blue Island (a suburb just south of Chicago) to help deal with race riots . . . but he instructed them to leave their service revolvers at home, and just to take their billy clubs. IIRC, cops refused, on the basis that disarmed cops aren't acting as cops at all, in which case they weren't subject to his orders. Daley Sr. blustered and threatened, and the cops told Daley if he took punitive action against any officers they'd see him in court . . . AFAIK, that was the end of the matter.

Cato the Younger
August 20, 2006, 08:30 PM
Mayor Daley is the consummate big city machine politician. As others have said, he opposes gun rights, mainly, I think, because he likes to control the citizens of the city. The Mayor is not so much a Dem., rather he is just interested in whatever label will keep getting him elected. Things will never change in Chicago because the massive city government system is geared towards patronage and keeping the same type of people in office.
And yes, I do have family who live in the city and vote straight-ticket D, so I know what I am talking about.:cuss:

Autolycus
August 20, 2006, 10:44 PM
I myself am hoping that the GI Joe strike team will come liberate the people of Chicago from Daley.

As it stands Mayor Daley has photoshoots where he poses school children in front of a gunshop protesting. I believe the gunshop is in Riverdale. Not sure of the name. But as it stands we need to get Daley out and sooner or later he will be locked away for corruption.

ilbob
August 20, 2006, 11:26 PM
The average citizen cannot own any guns rifles ect. in the city limits of chicago.

Only handguns and evil rifles are banned.

ilbob
August 20, 2006, 11:36 PM
There are national implications as well - it was almost certainly election fraud in Chicago that delivered Illinois' electoral votes to JFK, and put him in the White House.

JFK got 303 electoral votes, Nixon got 219. The massive vote fraud in Chicago that election did not change the results of the presidential election, as Illinois only had 27 electoral votes. It certainly gave him the Illinois electoral vote, and might well have given him his entire edge in the popular vote (something like 100,000 votes more than Nixon).

ilbob
August 20, 2006, 11:37 PM
I myself am hoping that the GI Joe strike team will come liberate the people of Chicago from Daley.

Harold Washington was better? Chicago would vote for any crook that promised to make the trains run on time and keep the welfare checks coming.

PCGS65
August 21, 2006, 01:35 AM
by ibob, JFK got 303 electoral votes, Nixon got 219. The massive vote fraud in Chicago that election did not change the results of the presidential election, as Illinois only had 27 electoral votes. It certainly gave him the Illinois electoral vote, and might well have given him his entire edge in the popular vote (something like 100,000 votes more than Nixon).
This is just another example to show the continuous corruption from the Daley family has continued for 50+years. The iron grip.:barf:

Autolycus
August 21, 2006, 04:14 AM
Ilbob I wasnt really old enough to remember the Harold Washington reign. I just know that Daley is terrible. I hope that the GI Joe strike team would kind of turn Chicago into a big smoldering hole.

Deanimator
August 21, 2006, 08:34 AM
Harold Washington was better?
Yeah, he WAS.

How many gunstores outside of Chicago did Washington try to close?

He was a crook, but then EVERY Chicago mayor is a crook.

anotherinkling
August 21, 2006, 07:11 PM
Gun-owning Chicagoan here.

In answer to your question re: owning guns in Chicago...if you're not the mayor, an alderman or in law enforcement, you may not own a handgun.

You may own a long gun (within limits, which I'll get to) as long as you have a valid FOID card and register your guns, then re-register them annually. It costs $20 to register one firearm, $25 for 2-10 firearms and $35 for more than 10. You must get the registration form from the Gun Registration Office downtown or your local CPD office.

You are very limited in the long guns you may own. Bolt, pump and lever-action rifles are fine as long as they don't have a barrel shorter than 16 inches or overall length of less than 26 inches. Semi-autos may not have a capacity of more than 12 (ignorant in so many ways). .22s are generally OK. Beyond that there's a whole list of models that are specifically banned. You're basically left with the Marlin Camp Carbine, Ruger Police Carbine and Deerfield Carbine, Browning BARs, the Remington 7400s, the Ruger Mini-14 & 30 (with full stock only) and the SKS with an attached magazine only (no detachable mags, flash suppressors or bayonet lugs). A word about the SKS...they're often confused with AKs by the media and locals, so buy at your own risk. You may have trouble finding one without the offending features anyway.

Shotguns are fairly OK. No Striker-style shotguns (with revolving, higher-capacity cylinders). No barrels shorter than 18 inches or overall lengths less than 26 inches.

Laser sights are forbidden. There are many other things, but that's a pretty good overview. It's all fairly ignorant. For instance, you can't own an M1 Garand in .30-06 but you can have a Remington 7400 in .30-06. Feel free to PM me with specific questions, and I'll try to help you find an answer.

PCGS65
August 22, 2006, 01:38 AM
Anotherinkling, thanks for clarifying that. I thought it was all guns in cook county. One question for you. What if someone is driving through chicago with handguns in their car? Say to a gun show or on a hunting trip ect.?

Autolycus
August 22, 2006, 05:15 AM
I think the Federal transport laws will take care of you. I would check the IL state police website and see what they say. Also the Cook County website and the Chicago PD website.

sctman800
August 22, 2006, 12:26 PM
What if someone is driving through chicago with handguns in their car? Say to a gun show or on a hunting trip ect.?

Sorry, PCGS65, I see you list your adress as in Chicago. The federal transportation laws only apply to interstate travel. So it looks like you would have to be traveling out of state for this to apply. Jim.

El Tejon
August 22, 2006, 12:43 PM
limbaughfan, in order to disarm Blacks and Hispanics on the west and south sides of Chicago, in 1983 there was a handgun "freeze" in Chicago. No new handguns in Chicago.

Remaining pistols are subject to absurd regulations of both Illinois and Chicago law. Carrying pistols is a near impossibility for non-LE or Aldermen (I know of two individuals who are private investigators in Chicago and were able to make the necessary "arrangements" with police to be able to carry on a restricted basis).

Machine guns and eeevil "assault weapons" are banned in Chicago as well. Calls for house to house searches for guns are common in Chicago politics and the editorial pages. In short, I was low-profile and miserable from '92 to '95 when I was an inmate in Chicago. I lived in fear from my government and from the criminal element. A gun nut in Chicago is a terribly frustrated soul.

Guns are a convenient scapegoat for Chicago and a good way of punishing backward, toothless downstaters (people who live south of I-80) for living. As well, Chicago politicians know that their utopia can never be fully implemented as long as the people have the means to resist.

Weapons such as the shotguns and rifles are legal but subject to Illinois and Chicago regulations and registration (including an eye test). Daley blames Indiana for Chicago's murders. Funny, we have far more guns here in my county of only 250,000 than in all of Chicago (heck, my basement has more guns than CPD) but only a fraction of the murder rate.:D :neener:

anotherinkling
August 22, 2006, 01:09 PM
I'm not certain re: transporting handguns through Chicago/Cook County. I've perused the ordinances and there doesn't seem to be great clarity. It would seem that if you're legally able to own one where you're from and transport it in a case, unloaded and out of reach, you should be OK. But I wouldn't guarantee that. I know that there have been efforts in the past to transport unloaded handguns in fanny packs. While it would seem to be legal, Mayor Daley said, essentially, if we find you with a handgun in Chicago you're going to be arrested. Chances are good that one would get off, but is it worth the hassle? State law gives guidelines but allows for the blessed "home rule" exception that makes Illinois one ugly patchwork quilt. I'd be curious to find a definitive answer to this.

As for getting info off the Chicago or Cook County sites, good luck. Even though Chicago has a Gun Registration office, if you go on the City's website and search for "gun registration" or "firearm registration" you will get nothing. If, however, you go to the PD part of the site, click on "FAQs" then "Firearms" you'll find the following:

Can I own a gun in the City of Chicago?
As a private citizen, you can own a long gun, but not a handgun or an assault weapon, in the City of Chicago. You must have a current Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) card from the Illinois State Police, and you must register your firearms with the City's Gun Registration Program, 3510 S. Michigan Avenue, Room 1027 SE, between the hours of 7:30 am and 4:30 pm. You can call the Gun Registration Program at (312) 745-5166 for more information.

This doesn't tell us anything really, particularly about the huge number of guns that are banned. Even the gun registration process is a fishing expedition with the form including questions asking whether your firearm can launch grenades, is fully automatic, has a silencer, etc. with no indication that these features are illegal. Make certain your gun is Chicago legal before you even bother trying to register.

A much better place to find the relevant ordinances in one place is the Illinois State Police site, specifically here (http://www.isp.state.il.us/media/docdetails.cfm?DocID=544).

ilbob
August 22, 2006, 01:48 PM
(I know of two individuals who are private investigators in Chicago and were able to make the necessary "arrangements" with police to be able to carry on a restricted basis).

There are no "arrangements" necessary. Legitimate PIs can get tan cards from the state allowing them to carry while working. No police agency is involved in issuance of a tan card AFAIK. It comes from the department of registration and education (at least it did back in the dark ages) and I cannot think of any reason it would have changed.

PCGS65
August 25, 2006, 03:19 PM
by sctman800, What if someone is driving through chicago with handguns in their car? Say to a gun show or on a hunting trip ect.?

Sorry, PCGS65, I see you list your adress as in Chicago. The federal transportation laws only apply to interstate travel. So it looks like you would have to be traveling out of state for this to apply. Jim.

Actually I live about 45 miles west of chi town. So it's not really a problem for me. Even though it is illegal. I'll bet one would get arrested and have to prove in court what the law actually is. Even though you would probably be found innocent it would be expensive and they may keep your firearms anyway.:cuss:

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