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Chuckulator
August 20, 2006, 11:10 AM
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060820/2006-08-20T142705Z_01_N17290941_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-CRIME-USA-DC.html

"The top five states with the highest gun death rates are five states with incredibly weak gun laws," he said, listing Louisiana, Alabama, Alaska, New Mexico and Wyoming.

I have trouble believing these statistics.

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Pilgrim
August 20, 2006, 11:21 AM
In Miami, while overall crime is down, the use of semi-automatic weapons is growing.

"These things are dirt cheap," Police Chief John Timoney told Reuters, estimating the street price at $250 each. "We have seen these assault weapons being used time and time again by drug gangs."
Looks to me like Jason Szep (author) shopped around to get the information favorable to his point of view.

Pilgrim

longeyes
August 20, 2006, 11:44 AM
When you import millions of unskilled poor from other cultures, outside the ambit of the law, you can expect your society to devolve, for conflict to rise.

Of course that doesn't fit the liberal world view, so it remains unsaid.

Johnnybgood
August 20, 2006, 11:46 AM
Track record, anyone with any sense isn't going to believe much of anything they print. The news media isn't well trusted or liked these days, as proven by the fact that there readership has been declining rapidly. If you want to see an interesting short vid on some of Reuters work you can go here: http://www.aish.com/movies/PhotoFraud.asp

ConstitutionCowboy
August 20, 2006, 12:20 PM
I'll bet this has been going on all along. I doubt they just started with this crap.

Woody

To be liberal is to live in a cloud of delusion fraught with fantasy, and a disregard for the law and fair play. Alas; clear fact, unambiguous consensus, scrutiny, and researched reason does prevail and keeps me in touch with who is who, what is what, and why I am conservative. B.E.Wood

ColoradoKid
August 20, 2006, 02:00 PM
Who would believe one words these clowns would print after their "photoshopped" pictures coming out of the recent fighting in Lebanon...... They have ZERO credibility....!!!

goalie
August 20, 2006, 02:01 PM
Keep in mind that they are likely using suicides to get the numbers they want.

benEzra
August 20, 2006, 04:19 PM
The part about "assault rifles" (sic) being commonly used in crimes is crap. All rifles combined account for only 2.8% of homicides annually.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/offense_tabulations/table_20-22.html

That reporter is apparently either supririsingly ignorant, or a committed Bradyite, or both.

makarova
August 20, 2006, 07:24 PM
I give you full credit for looking up the FBI stats but, the reporter didn't say assault weapon crimes were going up, the Police Chief did.
According to the article, the reporter got his stats on those five states from, you guessed it, The Brady bunch!
And no I absolutely dont trust Reuters based on personal experience, I didn't need the photoshop incident to reach that conclusion.

Wiley
August 20, 2006, 08:24 PM
(Additional reporting by Jane Sutton in Miami, Andrew Stern in Chicago and Andy Sullivan in Washington)

And note that it took FOUR of 'em to write it. Any ONE of the previous posters could, and did, show it was a work of fiction.

The other high point is that Reuters is big in financial reporting. Anyone question if stock prices have been 'fudged' or 'reuterized'?

Malone LaVeigh
August 20, 2006, 08:44 PM
Any ONE of the previous posters could, and did, show it was a work of fiction.
By saying, "I don't trust Reuters?"

Bartholomew Roberts
August 20, 2006, 09:00 PM
I like how they quote from the Brady Bunch; but can't be bothered to look for a quote from the opposite side of the argument.

The top five states with the highest gun death rates are five states with incredibly weak gun laws," he said, listing Louisiana, Alabama, Alaska, New Mexico and Wyoming.

This is what is called "cherry picking your data" - How about all of the other states with gun laws similar or weaker than the listed states? Well we didn't mention those because they don't support the theme we are trying to construct. Isn't Florida the state where Brady was claiming you can be shot down in the street for no reason at all? How come they didn't make the top five?

Note also that the metric they use to measure is "gun death rates" not murder involving firearms. This means they get to include things like gang on gang violence as well as 72yr old men with terminal cancer committing suicide. Suicide by firearm accounts for almost half of all gun deaths. Do gun control proponents really believe that suicide is best solved by gun control?

Pure propaganda and media spin; but really just like a magician's act. Once you know how the trick is done, it is easy to figure out how the illusion is created.

DoubleTapDrew
August 20, 2006, 09:27 PM
Doesn't Alaska have far and away the highest suicide rate in the country during the winter months when it's dark practically 24/7? Family and friends I have that live up there have snowmobiles and other things to keep them entertained during the winter because apparently it can get very depressing.
By using words like "gun violence" and "gun deaths" they can get away with fudging all the numbers by including suicides, shootings by cops, etc. There is no correlation between homicides and gun ownership, and it drives the antis crazy. They are grasping at straws.

ConstitutionCowboy
August 20, 2006, 09:44 PM
As to "gun violence" and "gun deaths", don't you all hate it when your guns go crazy and turn to violence and one of your guns dies? I know I do.

It ain't gun violence, it's violence perpetrated with a gun. It ain't a gun death, it is death perpetrated with a gun.

It takes the criminal act off the shoulders of the criminal and places it on the gun. It is the same as "possession of an illegal gun" verses "Illegal possession of a gun". The gun isn't illegal, it is the person not allowed to possess a gun who commits the crime. (Disclaimer: For the sake of discussion, the Second Amendment to the Constitution is notwithstanding here.)

Woody

"Freedom is good for the individual, good for the human condition, and good for society as well. It is the only way individual accountability can be valid, for a person who is not free to do as he sees fit cannot be blamed... or genuinely rewarded." K.L.Dimond

DoubleTapDrew
August 21, 2006, 12:32 AM
As to "gun violence" and "gun deaths", don't you all hate it when your guns go crazy and turn to violence and one of your guns dies? I know I do.
Haha. True gun violence and gun deaths is those poor guns that get melted down/destroyed in the police buy backs so their greedy owner can have dinner at the Outback or get a new pair of high-tech sneakers (that they'll probably get killed for, oops probably shouldn't have turned in that gun) :D

Chaotic Mind
August 21, 2006, 12:41 AM
In Miami, while overall crime is down, the use of semi-automatic weapons is growing.

"These things are dirt cheap," Police Chief John Timoney told Reuters, estimating the street price at $250 each. "We have seen these assault weapons being used time and time again by drug gangs."
My question for the Chief is "are they buying these assault weapons legally or illegally?"

Finch
August 21, 2006, 12:45 AM
Because when I think dangerous neighborhoods, I think Wyoming and Alaska!:rolleyes: :banghead:

Tim L
August 21, 2006, 11:49 AM
Pure propaganda and media spin; but really just like a magician's act. Once you know how the trick is done, it is easy to figure out how the illusion is created.
When people see a magician perform a magic show they walk away asking how did he do that? Unfortunately when they see statistics which can be quoted or created by anyone with an agenda (insert organization here), most people take it as gospel and don't bother looking it up.

Tim

FreedomKommando
August 21, 2006, 02:51 PM
"The top five states with the highest gun death rates are five states with incredibly weak gun laws," he said, listing Louisiana, Alabama, Alaska, New Mexico and Wyoming.

Murder rate for Wyoming (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/wycrime.htm), year 2000. [Number of murders per 100,000 population.]
2.4

Murder rate for Alaska (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/akcrime.htm), year 2000.
4.3

Murder rate for United States (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm) as a whole, year 2000.
5.5

Murder rate for Washington, D.C., (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/dccrime.htm) year 2000.
41.8

Intentional homicide rate for Switzerland, year 1997.
1.2
Source: Swiss Federal Police Office (http://www.theblessingsofliberty.com/articles/article11.html)

Strict gun laws do not seem to correlate either way with high or low rates of intentional homicide.

When one looks at a homicide map of the US, one observes right away that most counties are relatively untouched by intentional homicide compared to the staggering clusters of homicides around major cities.

TX1911fan
August 21, 2006, 03:39 PM
Kommando, I'll bet if you did an overlay of that map with strict gun control laws, they would overlap to a very large degree. I'm not saying that strict gun control laws cause violence and murder. Rather, violence and murder occur much more often in heavily populated urban centers DESPITE strict gun laws. There are may, many other factors in play, and the ineffective band aid of gun control will never address them. Hence, DCs laws get stricter and more people die because they refuse to address the root cause.

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