Whats a good entry level flintlock rifle?


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GW
August 20, 2006, 07:30 PM
Looking for something decent & inexpensive to try out for flintlock shooting
Thanks

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The Deer Hunter
August 20, 2006, 07:44 PM
do you want percussion or are you sure about flintlock?

chuck-ia
August 20, 2006, 07:48 PM
what do you consider inexpensive? I would get a pedersoli, thompson center, lyman, for a first time flintlock. you pretty much get what you pay for in a flintlock. I have a friend who mentioned today while we were shooting how he was thinking about selling his pedersoli .50 cal. flintlock. He is into building his guns now and would use the cash for gun parts. chuck-ia

GW
August 20, 2006, 11:13 PM
do you want percussion or are you sure about flintlock?
I've shot percussion for awhile and decided I'd like to give flintlocks a try
I just saw a Traditions model called the Deerhunter that seems reasonable at under $200 with a synthetic stock.
I figure that if I like it, I can get something more authentic, but before I shell out the $$ I want to see if I like it or not

4v50 Gary
August 20, 2006, 11:30 PM
GW, I'd suggest hooking up with a blackpowder club and trying the rifles of the members. Most BP folks are happy to share but you should bring your own powder and some lead bars (exchange for casted balls). Learn what you like by trying it and then decide what to buy. BTW, as a starter, if someone weren't to take my advice on joining a club or there was no club to join, I'd go with the Lyman Great Plains Rifle.

GW
August 20, 2006, 11:32 PM
Not aware of any black powder clubs in my area (SF Bay area)
Any fellow High-Roaders know of such?

Loyalist Dave
August 24, 2006, 11:03 PM
I have been disappointed with Traditions locks on their flintlocks. Sorry too fragile. Try a Lyman in flint, or a Cabella's Blue Ridge Hunter (made for them by Pedersoli). Otherwise you're throwing your money away [imho]. NOT all Pedersoli flintlocks are the same, so go with the BRH, as it has a robust lock, that is well made. The Dixie Tennesee Mountain Rifle is also pretty good, but I don't know if they still offer it in flintlock. I'm not real impressed with the T/C rifles in flintlock, unless the lock was upgraded to an aftermarket "drop-in" brand.

LD

Thefabulousfink
August 25, 2006, 03:45 PM
The most important think in a flintlock is the quality of the lock itself. It doesn't matter how accurate the barrel is, if the lock is slow or unreliable you might as well be throwing the bullets down range. You want a sturdy lock and a properly tempered frizzen to throw enough sparks. I would not buy anything cheeper than Lymman or Pedersoli.

If you are handy, some good quality kits can be found at Dixie Gun Works or Track Of The Wolf in the $450-$700 range. Most of these have quality furniture and wood and can be turned into excellent guns if you have the skill. Slightly less work is to buy a gun and upgrade the lock, but neither of these options should be attempted unless you are famillier or willing to learn about wood working and the workings of BP long guns.

Blacklabman
August 27, 2006, 10:19 AM
I have a Davide Pedersoli Kentucky Standard Flintlock.
After trying the Kentucky Long Rifle and the Flintlock, I'll never go back to inlines.
The flintlock provides a million more times more fun.
Long term durablity is up in the air. I purchased the rifles last years several months before deer season. Then during our muzzleloader season, I took two deer with it. I could not be happier, with the rifle.
Price was $475.

JN01
August 27, 2006, 03:07 PM
As has been mentioned, the problem with buying something cheap is that the flintlocks often perform so poorly.

One option between struggling to get a POS flintlock to work properly and spending $600+ on a kit or semi-custom gun is to buy a CVA, Traditions, TC, or Lyman gun and replace the lock with a drop-in replacement from L&R lock company. The replacement fllint lock will cost you $130, but will be of high quality and reliable.

http://www.lr-rpl.com/tabcon.htm

1911 guy
August 29, 2006, 08:18 AM
I shoot a .36 cal pedersoli "Frontier" model for squirrels. Sold by Cabela's as the Blue Ridge rifle. Good lock, very nice trigger (if you like set triggers) and really fine sights. With 40gr FFFg and a .350 ball it's a one holer at 25 yards. For just fun plinking or small game, the .32 or .36 would be great choices. It's also offered in .45 and .50 for deer, etc.

The Lyman Great Plains rifle has been getting consistently good reviews by those who shoot them, also.

GW
August 31, 2006, 12:39 AM
What is the difference between the Lyman Great Plains flintlock and the Lyman Trade flint? (other than barrel twist)
Is the lock the same and the Trade just isn't as pretty?

Mr. Tettnanger
September 3, 2006, 12:24 PM
Lyman Great Plains. In my opinion, the best flinter for the money. Mine is a lefty. I shoot .50 w/70 gr Goex FF, .020 patch, .490 round ball. Quality firearm, well worth the investment

Mr. Tettnanger

Thebees
September 11, 2006, 08:28 PM
The Lyman Trade Rifle looks like a trade rifle. The were mostly smoothbores and made to be bartered to the indians. The traditional look is cheap plain and a large hoop trigger guard.
The Lyman Plains Rifle is a fairly good takeoff of a halfstock Hawken. Looks way more like a real Hawken that a TC or CVA does.
Also it has a good price to buy new and has the added advantage of being able to install TC triggers when the cheap italian ones break. Same for the lockwork.
Lyman Plains Rifles are usually quite accurate with ball (if ya got the round ball barrel)
I don't have any personal experience with Lyman or TC flinlocks so I can't comment except to say that TC has always sood behind their products and should make it work.

bronsht
June 19, 2009, 01:36 PM
GW,
The second Sunday of every month, rain or shine, holiday or not, we shoot at range 5 at Chabot. BP only. Relaxed, informal. Everyone helps everyone especially newcomers. PM me for more info. bronsht

Mr_Pale_Horse
June 19, 2009, 03:43 PM
+1 Cabella's Blue Ridge aka Pedersoli Frontier

DuncanSA
June 19, 2009, 05:19 PM
I got a Lyman GPR flinter in .50 cal for Xmas and its the "most fun" gun I have had in some 60 years of shooting.

PRM
June 19, 2009, 09:09 PM
There are some good starter guns out there - My personal experience from close to 35 years of shooting firelocks is buy the best you can afford. Flintlocks are not as forgiving as caplocks. You can always harden a soft frizzen. But a good lock is essential. In addition to getting a good spark, they should not shatter your flints. You will get some flaking, but as a rule you should get a minimum of 50 shots off of a flint. I average considerably more on my TVA and Pedersoli. You can always resharpen the flints edge by knapping it back.

Flints are another area that you don't want to scrimp on cost. The black English Flints throw a more consistent spark and last longer. Dixie Gun Works and other vendors generally keep them in stock.

Another thing a lot of new flintlock shooters do is over charge the pan. It does not take a lot to get ignition.

Its habit forming - I will pick up one of my flintlocks regularly over one of my caplocks.

mykeal
June 19, 2009, 09:19 PM
All good advice - especially the part about spending as much as you can afford for a flintlock rifle. It will pay off on a flintlock more than on any other purchase - you get what you pay for.

Having said that, a rifle is a very personal gun. You really need to try them out to see what length of pull, drop at comb and heel cast off and balance fit you best. I found the Lyman Great Plains rifle, which is available in .50 and .54 calibers, percussion and flintlock, and kit or factory built, fit me very well. That overruled a more expensive and higher quality gun that just didn't feel right.

Mat, not doormat
June 20, 2009, 10:05 PM
Occurs to me that if you buy a cheap flinter, you are practically assured not to like it.

~~~Mat

brotherlloyd
June 20, 2009, 10:23 PM
lyman gpr in .54 is the best all around for low priced good quality rifle. its a good game killer. just need to shoot a couple hundred rounds through it to break the barrel in and learn what load it likes.

Smokin_Gun
June 22, 2009, 01:38 AM
Looking for something decent & inexpensive to try out for flintlock shooting

Gunbroker.com or AuctionArms .com get one with a 3 day inspection period.

kentucky bucky
June 22, 2009, 08:05 AM
The trouble is that "inexpensive" and "flintlock" are two words that don't go together well. Many cheaper flintlocks are so tempermental (and/or unshootable) they turn off many new flint shooters from the start and causes confusion about flintlocks in general. It might be best to hold off until you learn as much as you can and maybe shoot a few good rifles first.

arcticap
June 22, 2009, 11:15 AM
Here's ~1 minute video of someone shooting their Traditions .50 Kentucky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZISW2DF6Ga0

Ginormous
June 22, 2009, 12:36 PM
Good argument for a Rand Recoil Shield (http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,1467.html). :D

Ouch!

gerry303ca
March 6, 2010, 02:24 PM
I have a Traditions PA Pellet flintlock that I bought several years ago and have had no trouble with it. I now plan on buying a Traditions Kentucky flintlock rifle. I also have their Kentucky pistol in the percussion model. I wish it were easier to take the pistol out of the stock for cleaning, but otherwise I'm happy with it.

Palehorseman
March 6, 2010, 04:18 PM
Looking for something decent & inexpensive to try out for flintlock shooting
Thanks

Just remember, rocklocks can become one of the most addictive things afflicted upon mankind.:D

Palehorseman
March 6, 2010, 04:40 PM
I'm not real impressed with the T/C rifles in flintlock, unless the lock was upgraded to an aftermarket "drop-in" brand.

TC has upgraded their rocklocks and they have changed the geometry of the cock. They also have the best customer service have ever seen. Few years back I picked up a used old style TC Hawken, only because it had a custom 32" Orion barrel. The original lock was a real flint eater, I sent the lock in to TC for repair, week later I got a new lock back at no charge. The new TC lock sparks as well as any I have seen and flint life is great.

When Green Mountain had their $100.00 sale on .54 smoothbore flinter barrels for the TC Hawken, I got one. Was a no pain drop in and has been fun to play with, little heavy up front, but still a useful practical conversion.

higene
March 7, 2010, 10:21 AM
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398737

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dougiefreshhh
March 8, 2010, 09:52 PM
I jumped into flinting with a 75cal brown bess. See thread below with pic.

The lock has performed well...and the frizzen produces a nice shower of sparks.

You can pick them up new for 500-600 from MIddlesex Trading Co up in NH.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=489240

Doug

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