What kind of revolver in "Good, bad and ugly" Movie?


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Guns-R-cool
August 20, 2006, 08:40 PM
Hello all,

I was watching the movie "The Good, Bad, and Ugly" today and I was wondering was was the gun that clint's character was using? Thanks.

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FrogClan
August 20, 2006, 09:19 PM
If memory serves, Clint was using the Colt model 1860 Army revolver. Compare what you saw in the movie to the pic here to be sure:

http://www.emf-company.com/1860-model-army-revolver.htm

Lee Van Cleef was using the Remington model 1858 Army. Pic here:

http://www.emf-company.com/1858-remington-army-revolver.htm

joab
August 20, 2006, 09:32 PM
according to wikipedia
The gun used by Blondie is a Colt Navy, Cal. .36 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good,_the_Bad_and_the_Ugly)
All the way at the bottom of the page

FrogClan
August 20, 2006, 09:38 PM
That looks right, Joab, based on the square trigger guard and octagonal barrel shown here:

http://www.supanet.com/media/00/06/02/cowboys3_eastwood210.jpg

joab
August 20, 2006, 10:07 PM
FrogClan
That's Josie Wales' Walkers

joab
August 20, 2006, 10:17 PM
Did some googling
Blondie's gun was a Colt navy cartridge conversion, which seems a little odd considering the civil War time frame of the movie.

Angel Eyes had an 1858 Remington and Tuco apparently had one made from three different and totally incompatible guns

http://spaghettiwesterns.1g.fi/guns.htm

BoomBoom25
August 20, 2006, 10:28 PM
Actually the gun that was used in the movie was made bu uberti couldnt tell you which model though. I know this only because I was watching an old episode of shooting u.s.a in which the talked about it.So if you really wont to know what model it was I would suggest maybe trying there website you might be able to find out there.

Old Fuff
August 20, 2006, 11:13 PM
The Old Fuff is far from being an expert on Clint Eastwood's western revolvers. However those that are interested should look at the following link:

http://www.spaghettiwesternreplicas.com/

I also understand that Cimarron Arms is, or is going to import a replica of "the" revolver, consisting of a cartridge-converted 1851 Colt Navy with a silver rattlesnake on the stocks.

http://www.cimarron-firearms.com

You gunslingers have at it... :D

Guns-R-cool
August 20, 2006, 11:48 PM
Thanks everybody,

Now I want one. I think it would great to get a set-up and shoot like the cowboys...

Hahaha.....Big boys and their toys!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

joab
August 21, 2006, 12:31 AM
Personally I prefer the 1860 or 1872 Open Top to the Navy

The Good
August 21, 2006, 12:35 AM
found this info here:
http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=4347.0

Re:Clint's Guns
Reply #5 on: May 17, 2003, 09:33:55 PM
The Good The Bad And The Ugly--1966

The pistol that Blondie uses in the Good the Bad and the Ugly is a modified 1851 Navy Colt (modified, no doubt, by a dubious gunsmith). It has been converted to fire metallic cartridges which was extremly rare in the day but a few guns around then could fire these bullets (Smith and Wesson). The technology was there but the mass production was not. Both the Union and Confederate States stalled and delayed the new metallic cartridges in fear of their armies wasting ammunition and costing too much to manufacter.

One of the most popular of Civil War revolvers was the Colt Model 1851 in 36 caliber. Around 250,000 were made by Colt between 1850 and 1873. It had a six shot cylinder and a 7-1/2" octagonal barrel. The standard cylinder featured an engraved scene of a naval battle. The Navy designation meant it was 36 caliber. 44 Caliber were known as Army, but both terms are merely convenient marketing designations. This model was carried by such different men as Robert E. Lee as the Confederate Commanding General and by Wild Bill Hickock as the Sheriff of Abilene. It was loaded with loose blackpowder and a bare bullet, referred to as "cap and ball," or with paper cartridges. Loading a cap and ball revolver is from the front of the cylinder. Misfires in cap and ball revolvers were more common than in the subsequent metallic cartridge guns. The misfire problem was well enough known to be commented on when it didn't happen after unusual circumstances. The '51 Colt carried by Robert E. Lee made the commentaries. When it was shot after his death in 1870, every chamber fired when it had last been loaded during the middle of the War about seven years earlier.
The '51 Colt Navy was the first gun to be made as a replica in the 1950s. The markup prototype was assembled in 1949 for Italian production


Here is a shot of Blondies revolver. Brass was used in abundence durning the war due to how cheap it was compared to steel. All guns in the period could have been made out of one or the other it was just a matter of cost.




Clearly you can see that there are brass pieces on Blondies gun there.

Below is another shot of Blondies gun with the now leagendary metallic cartiridges...




The Gun the that Blondy uses in The Good the Bad and the Ugly seems to be some sort of Super Modified Bad-Ass Gun; Pre-prototye Richards Conversion as seen below:

The closest I could find to Blondie's modified 1851 Navy Colt with silver rattlesnake grips (See Above)




The earlier convertions still left the loading lever in place and did not have ejector rod prevalent to the Colt 73s The conversions started to add ejector rods around the same time colt came out with the Peacemaker, however many revolvers still had the intact loading lever as well as none at all

Although there were metallic cartridges during the Civil War (Smith and Wesson, .44 Henry Rimfire, .22 Short and .56-56 Spencer to name a few) Leone thought to put the barrel of an 1851 Colt Navy on the frame of an 1851 Navy that had been changed to the Richards-Mason cartridge conversion which didn't happen until 1871?

1871 is when the breech loader patent held by Smith and Wesson ran out and companies could began to manufacture legally bore though cylinders.

However who is to say that if you had enough money and knew the right gunsmith and had access to metallic cartridges, well, Faster to reload and saves time - I suppose that was their reason. Even better, look at Lee Van Cleef's belt - you will see metallic cartridges in the loops, even though there are percussion caps on the cylinder of his revolver.

The Good
August 21, 2006, 12:50 AM
also this might help. a dude on another forum was suggesting this site:
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,4428.htm

heres the thread:
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=4af8400f1ff8594002704a2c78fb1de4&topic=1680.0


anyone here have any experience with buffaloarms?

Dr.Rob
August 21, 2006, 02:17 AM
Cartridge conversions were common (Not Dubious) in the post war era... it was no more anachronistic than most movies.

Also consider the fact it was shot in Spain. Who knows what rules they had to 'fly under' to make the movies happen. We are probably lucky they weren't using break-top Weblys.

Troutman
August 24, 2006, 02:09 AM
You can check out the revolver here.

http://www.texasjacks.com/New2006/ManNoName.htm

Its a rep. Those days, they had a "Transition Model" for accepting metallic cartridges. Some gunsmiths were able to make the conversions.

James T Thomas
August 24, 2006, 10:33 PM
Those r-e-v-o-l-v-e-r-s, as Tuco said, are great. All with interchangeable parts.
Josyln's, Farrout, Smith and Wesson, Colt.

Also, I thought I saw Clint using Hoppe's No.9 when he was scrubbing his bore in that hotel room. Apparently, the manly scent of it turned the lady at the desk on.

But, what is that special Italian ammunition that whines off, in the distance, no matter what it hits? Wheeee
Then, there is the stopping power that stuff has!

Fiocchi?

ceneal.38
April 19, 2009, 04:32 PM
it was a converted 1851 navy in .38 long colt

Dark Skies
April 19, 2009, 04:47 PM
You can even buy the poncho on that site Old Fuff posted.

http://www.spaghettiwesternreplicas.com/images/2007/ponch1q.jpg

But I think only Clint can pull it off without looking ... well ... effeminate.

Blueduck
April 19, 2009, 04:57 PM
I agree on the Poncho DS... :D

Saw one exactly likes Clint's in Mexico while visiting, and thought "Oh I gotta have it!"

Luckily my sense kicked in just before I approached the vendor, "Where in Gods name would I ever wear that, and being a big guy would'nt I look like a fat woman in a MuMu if I did?"

Beagle-zebub
April 19, 2009, 05:14 PM
Cartridge conversions were common (Not Dubious) in the post war era... it was no more anachronistic than most movies.

Yeah, but the movie takes place *during* the Civil War.

Although for sure, the rest of the Westerns were even more anachronistic--I remember seeing John Wayne wield a Remington 1858 in a part of Red River that is supposed to take place around 1847 or so.

shotgunjoel
April 19, 2009, 05:20 PM
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Good%2C_The_Bad%2C_and_The_Ugly%2C_The

David E
April 19, 2009, 05:44 PM
It's a neat gun, but keep in mind the "Man With No Name" revolver does NOT have an ejector rod.

Still..............

David E
April 19, 2009, 05:45 PM
By the way, Clint's poncho was GREEN, not brown as most believe.

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hemiram
April 19, 2009, 06:59 PM
Green?

Hmmm, that doesn't seem to be correct, I just watched a clip and it's brown.

BCRider
April 19, 2009, 10:41 PM
DS, kick a little cow poo on the boots, scuff up the poncho, stick a nausea inducing cheroot in your mouth and squint at the sun (or hellish camera lights) and you'll carry it off just fine.... :D

Hey, would any of YOU go up and tell him he's a girly man for wearing the poncho in that case? Not ME BRUTHA!

Beagle-zebub
April 19, 2009, 11:14 PM
I would go around making Henry Fonda's facial expression in "Once Upon a Time in the West," but but I swear it makes my teeth shift.

tenbears
April 21, 2009, 04:58 PM
Clint used the Walker .44's in, "the outlaw josey wales", and a small back-up Navy .36

Lovesbeer99
April 21, 2009, 08:45 PM
Cimarron offers the Man with No Name Gun with the snake grips and 38 spl catridge, but it does not have an ejector. you have to use a dowl or something. I didn't care, it was too cool, so I ordered mine and it was on back order for 10 monts. I should get mine in Sept if all goes well.

The Richard Mason guns are really nice, but this gun is just too cool with the silver snake inlays and such. I just need this gun.

The only problem with the Cimarron is that it's an open top model with a rear sight. I watched the move and the seen where he is cleaning the gun in the motel and looks down the barrel you will notice that there are no sights, so Cimarron did a good job, but not 100%.

I still need to have this gun though.

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