How would you rate the follwing four caliber rifle battery for hunting anywhere in the world? I am excluding a .22lr since everyone should have one of those.
3. 7mm Mag
4. .375 H&H
I feel this covers the bases pretty well except for an elephant gun which I decided I wasn't willing to get above one of the previous four. If is did add a 5th I would choose a .416 Remington.
What would you do different?
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January 4, 2003, 07:25 PM
I would go with:
1. 22-250 for varmints
2. 25-06 for deer/antelope
3. 30-06 for critters up to elk
4. 375 H&H for moose and large African game
January 4, 2003, 07:51 PM
Buy one good 7 mag, burn out a barrel practicing, retube it, and do the same to a 338 class rifle, probably a 340 Weatherby. That would cover all but the largest dangerous game animals in my book. If high volume varmint shooting is on the menu a 223 or a 22-250 could be added. I would prefer to do it with one or two rifles.
January 5, 2003, 06:36 AM
what exactly is a .22-550? is it a necked down 308 with .22 bullet? or what?
January 5, 2003, 06:37 AM
plz ignor typo... i mean .22-250
January 5, 2003, 06:52 AM
My list is:
Dont know why the last 2, all I need is the 270 and 338.
January 5, 2003, 10:16 AM
Actually, I can only think of three calibers to handle everything.
.22 class cartridge for small game and varmints. For me, this is the .22WMR
.308 class cartridge for medium to large game. My Savage 110FXP in .30-06 covers this well.
For large, dangerous game, I have yet to chose a cartridge in the big-bore class. Although, from reading on TFL about the success Rich had in using a .45-70 for Cape Buffalo in Africa, I am leaning towards that in a big-bore dangerous game rifle.
January 5, 2003, 10:28 AM
22-250 is a 250 Savage necked down. Just slightly less case capacity than a 308 case.
45-70 for dangerous game?
January 5, 2003, 01:45 PM
Yep. 45-70. Rich Lubicella used it in Africa to down a Cape Buffalo. I'd use it in the U.S. for Grizzly, assuming I get the chance to get to Alaska before I die.
I don't ever envision going to Africa. The allure to the Dark Continent has yet to speak to me. The Great White North, on the other hand, has spoken volumes!
January 5, 2003, 01:46 PM
Anywhere in the world? That's a toughy.
I can't think of anything between the size of a rabbit and a deer that I'd want to shoot. So, the next biggest rifle after the .22 is my .350 Rem Mag which was already chosen as an all-around deer/moose/bear rifle and would be iodeal for most African plains game.
The only other rifle I'd want is a .375 H&H which is good for anything short of elephants. You could probably talk me into a .416 or .458 though, without too much trouble.
So, two rifles - but, I'm cheating because I don't want or need a varmint gun.
I have these and haven't thought of anything in the world I can't hunt...
January 6, 2003, 08:03 AM
January 6, 2003, 10:27 AM
I can name that tune in three notes....
January 6, 2003, 12:46 PM
Mine would include:
Obviously with the inclusion of the .470 NE, I'm not going for raw utility. The .458 Lott should be able to kill anything that the .470 would be used for.
I don't get too excited about the .22 centerfires because I don't eat varmints so I don't mind blasting them with a .30 cal. And if I wanted to go squirrel/rabbit/etc. hunting, I would just use the .22LR.
January 6, 2003, 09:54 PM
Ask me tomorrow; I'll probably have different choices for you! :D
January 7, 2003, 01:10 PM
Just my two cents...
1. 223 for the varmits
2. 308 for white tails in the East
3. 300 wby Mag for bigger things in West
4. 45/70 for the even bigger things if I need it.
So for this is all I've ever needed. If I could add a fifth, I would go with a
375H&H or a 340 wby mag.
January 9, 2003, 03:11 PM
.25-06 for small to medium
.375 H&H for medium to big
12 ga. for everything with wings
.54 cal. flintlock for all the primitive seasons :D
January 9, 2003, 06:32 PM
I'd cut it back to 3...
.300 Win. Mag.
.375 H&H Mag.
January 9, 2003, 09:19 PM
Of what I have in the house right now...
223 (as varminter)
30-06 (med game)
45-70 (grizzly on up)
.58 cal Minie rifle (with a couple of spare rifles carried by my "boys")
If I could do it in 5:
7mm Rem Mag
.458 Rem Mag
If I could do it in 4:
7mm Rem Mag
If I had to do it in 3:
January 11, 2003, 04:09 PM
:D just to be a "little" different:
44 mag. (for rifle & handgun)
12 ga. 3" (pump or auto)
if that wont kill it i don't need to shoot it.:p
January 20, 2003, 01:13 AM
Sorry if I dragged up an old thread...
Your choices are outstanding, I think. You've got a great selection covering military/police/hunting cartridges well covered.
I agree with your 5th choice as well.
If you only had 4 rifles to use, you've picked well.
3. 7mm Mag
4. .375 H&H
I feel this covers the bases pretty well except for an elephant gun which I decided I wasn't willing to get above one of the previous four. If is did add a 5th I would choose a .416 Remington."
If I had to pick 4 of the 'oh, I've got a few hunting rifles' in the safe...:rolleyes:
I won't get into the brands and actions, just that those 4 cartridges would do for me if the choices were limited.
January 20, 2003, 10:14 PM
Think I could (& have) cover everything we have in CO with a .243 & a .30-06 & even the '06 could serve as a varmit thing. Wouldn't feel the lack.
BTW, those initial 4 listed are good choices.
Glad we're not limited as I've got the .22 RF/CFs on through the '06 - maybe 8-9 between my "extremes." Like each & every one for the various flavors.
Still haven't gotten into anything "heavy" unless you'd count a 12 3" slug = my poor man's .45-70 ;) Could prolly do anything in the world with that - at my own Last Supper ..... :uhoh:
January 21, 2003, 12:50 AM
My pick is
Than should cover it for everything but the birds in the air.
January 21, 2003, 02:39 PM
either .284 Win or 30-06 or 7mm Mag
8mm Rem Mag
either 416 Rem Mag or 458 Lott
Those either or decisions are tough choices.:confused:
They'd ultimately depend upon the rifle selection.
January 22, 2003, 05:30 PM
Well, I think I could do it with 2 or 3 actually. The Dark Continent is calling me, daily now, and the Great White North has a strong pull too. So....
1) .260 Remington (which I have)
2) .338 Win or Weatherby Magnum (which I want)
Until I feel dangerous game or varminting calling me, that is all I should need.
January 22, 2003, 06:03 PM
Well as you said everone should have a .22.
But I also think you should have a 12 ga. with a deer barrel and a birdshot barrel.
And a medium caliber all around game rifle, like a 30-06.
and a Heavy just-for-grins even if I don't get to Africa rifle like a .375 H&H. (though I've noticed the trend letely for everyone to have a 45-70)
If you are varminting you can use the .22 for the close stuff and the 30-06 for the long shots.. it's not like you are gonna eat parire dog and crows.
So to reiterate:
(Remember this is a hunting thread, not a what-if-the-aliens-invaded-while-I was-ien-route-to-hunt-so-I-grabbed-my-poddle-shooter-from-behind-the -seat kinda thing, BUT, everybody should have one of those too.)
January 22, 2003, 07:51 PM
Should cover it.
January 22, 2003, 08:50 PM
Too heavy, too powerful and too much recoil and noise.
Maybe change the .35 to .444 one day.
January 27, 2003, 03:16 AM
243 for varmints and slightly larger game
25-06 or 270 for open plains game
30-06 for even larger game
45-70 for the largest game. 375 if you want something a little more traditional
For the handloader, the list can even get by with only two rifles and be nearly as versatile - the 257 Roberts with 75 Gr VMax for varmints and 117 Gr SSTs for larger game and the 338 Win Mag lightly loaded with 185 or 200 Gr for deer, elk and small bear and 250 Gr X Bullets for the dangerous stuff.
January 27, 2003, 05:56 AM
I just can't help myself:
.300 Win Mag
.416 Rem Mag
The only other thing you need is a good reloading set up.
January 28, 2003, 10:43 PM
Well here is my personal 4 gun battery for anywhere do anything.
1.308/Or 30-06 for general critter hunting Deer Elk ETC.
2..300 mag of choice in a light weight rig for sheep and goats. Mine is a .300 Weatherby ultra light weight & I am experimenting with a model 70 in .300WSM
3. .375H&H because no man is complete without one. I find myself using this caliber more often than not for most anything.
4. .458Lott because when you need a big gun you really need a BIG GUN. The .375 just doesn't have the poop in the tight cover and tall grass on P.Oed dangerous African game. Though I wouldn't feel under gunned with mine in a pinch. And that is my two gun combination while hunting Africa for that reason. If my Lott goes T.U. I've still got a more than capable dangerous game rig back at camp
All of these rifles are synthetic and blued stainless and all except the Lott are topped with quality low power variables because the low end of the magnifacation scale is more important to me than the high end. A good 1.5 or 1.75 X 6 is in my opinon the best set up in world. At 6 power it's enough to shoot acuratley past my effect range with just about any rifle however, a 4 power and up scope is worse than useless at 5 feet in the brush. Also I like the smaller lense sizes as they allow you to mount the scope lower making the gun a faster handling peice.
Sorry to ramble guys it's just that I really get into this stuff.:D
February 9, 2003, 08:11 PM
I dont really plan to hunt the world. For my rifle hunting in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Virginia, I only have to look into my gun safe for a working 4 gun battery.
1. .44 Mag Marlin 1894S. 2.5X Weaver scope. Load is the 270 grain Speer Gold Dot. This is my main WhiteTail combination.
2. 8X57mm M1908 Mannlicher-Schoenauer Carbine. Double set triggers, Redfield 2X7 20mm scope. Best all around gun I ever owned. Perfect in heavy cover, more than adequate for that 300 yard shot. With good handloads, it will take anything in North America.
3. .270 M1952 Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifle. Single set trigger. 3X9 Leupold Vari-X III.
4. 7X57Ackley Improved. Single set trigger, synthetic stock, Shilen barrel. 140 grain Sierra Game King over IMR 3031 powder. A wonderful long range rifle. Light weight, light recoil, and performance like a 7mm Rem Mag.
February 14, 2003, 12:01 AM
As I don't expect to hunt anywhere but North America for the forseeable future, here's my list:
.338 Win Mag
Don't have the .338; haven't needed it yet! :D
February 14, 2003, 01:08 AM
22LR for sure.
223REM. Although for this niche the 243 WIN might be better.
308 WIN. Largest rifle I own to date.
338 WINMAG or maybe 45/70 havent decided.
I'm not going to Africa so these should cover all of North America for me. Alaska or Europe isnt out of the question though.
February 14, 2003, 09:23 AM
Colt Woodsman, for miscellaneous stuff.
Lil Sako carbine, .243, for varmints and deer. (It might get left behind on account of the 700Ti in 7mm08.)
Model 12 12-gauge for birds.
And, of course, "There ain't many things a fella can't fix, with a few hundred dollars and a thutty-ought-six."
February 14, 2003, 02:25 PM
I guess for my personal list I can get by with two. :) (I agree that 22lr is a given.)
1. 12 gauge
2. 7mm mag.
I haven't hunted any dangerous game yet. I'll be needing some new artillery if and when the opportunity arises. My buddy has a .30-378 he would probably let me borrow. If that didn't slow the critter down, I probably shouldn't be shooting at it! :eek:
April 8, 2003, 08:21 AM
223 so much of it out there
243 nice flat shooter with many different weights
7mm-08 it will do most of what 308 does and flatter
45/70 or 35 rem
I have noticed that hunters tend to heavier calibers where shooters tend to the smaller end.
April 15, 2003, 09:00 PM
I just put on layaway, a Ruger #1-H Tropical in .416 RemMag. I don't think I will ever need it, but the price was right, it's NIB, and golly its purty. Bet it will make a great Hog rifle.
April 17, 2003, 09:44 AM
In addition to the premise of being able to take any non-bird game animal anywhere in the world with an appropriate cartridge, and given that the premise specifies worldwide use, one also needs to consider ammo availability and restrictions on military cartridges in some countries.
Based on ammo availability alone, I'd choose:
.458 Win Mag
The military cartridge restrictions would make the first two on that list potentially problematic, so to be safe on that score, but still be reasonable assured of worldwide availability, I would modify the first two items on the list to:
If we throw in bird hunting, then I'd substitute a Drilling with SxS 12-ga barrels and the .222 underneath for the first gun, with a variable scope in claw mounts.
April 18, 2003, 11:28 AM
Here's my all around North America list since Africa isn't in my forseeable future, but would IMHO, work well in Africa.
I also believe in a lot of cases, improvements in ammo and bullet technology/quality make addition of some calibers unnecessary. I'll explain in my list.
.223 Rem. A no-brainer, official NATO caliber, accurate. Ammo plentiful and cheap in a variety of varmint, plinking and anti-personnel loads. If you need more range, sneak up a little closer.
.30-06 Sprgfld. Probably more commercial loads available for this caliber than any other. Stoked with standard pressure/velocity ammo for general purposes. Federal High Energy and Hornady Light Magnums moves the '06 into .300Mag territory for larger game.
.45-70 Gummit. With standard pressure ammo it has the trajectory of a basketball and is a very good 100 yrd woods cartridge for big critters. Stuff it with the "magnum" or "+P" loads from Buffalo Bore and Garrett respectively, and you have a decent large/dangerous game combo that crowds the .458 Win. at a very reasonable price. They also flatten the trajectory and extend the practical range a bit.
A hunter from FL just recently took the African Big Six using Garrett loads and a Marlin 1895 rifle. None of the animals he took needed more than two shots.
Yup, I can do it in three. But, for sake of a toy, I'll go with a .............uhhmmmm .35 Whelen Imp. or neck up a .300 WSM to .35 and stick it in a scout rifle. (Hint-Hint Winchester):D :D
April 28, 2003, 09:07 PM
I can't believe that no one said a .22 Magnum!! :banghead:
1. .22 Magnum
2. .25-06 for everything up to Elk
3. .300 Rem. Ultra Mag for larger Deer, Elk, Bears to African plains game
4. .375 Ultra MAg for the big stuff.
That'll do it!
April 28, 2003, 09:30 PM
These are my choices, they may be a little different, but they're mine!
I said it was a little different. :D
May 1, 2003, 01:50 PM
A 12 gauge pump or auto with interchangeable barrels can be a battery unto itself.
4 gun battery, assuming a .22 lr is a given
12 gauge with both rifled slug barrel and field barrels
The problem with this, and articles based on 3-4 gun batteries, is when the wife reads them and says - see, you don't need more than 4 guns
May 2, 2003, 08:45 AM
Interesting how a few folks have included both a .308 and a 7mm or .300 in their choices. :confused:
My choices, assuming a .22lr is a given . . .
1. .223 (a good, target-grade AR15)
2. .30/06 (bolt action, stocked and 'scoped to suit myself)
3. .375 H&H (ditto)
4. 9mm (Preferably an HKMP5SD.)
Ok, ok, if (4) isn't a real choice, I'd take a good .470NE double rifle.
I've got the first 3, which have worked fine from plinking and varmints on the low side to lion, hippo, & Cape buff on the high side. I'll probably never have either of my choices for #4. $$$$$
May 7, 2003, 04:03 AM
Hmm two pairs:
2. 375 H&H
308/150 @ 2700fps = 375/270 @ 2700 so practice with one about equals practice with other. Also can use "weaker bullets" (ie 30-30 and 375Win/38-55) for each to download for smaller game. Both would be scoped with a 1.5-5x
9.3x62/286 @ 2400 = 6.5x55/160 @ 2400 so again trajectory close enough that field practice with one works for the other. With either a fixed 2.5x or fixed 4x
Some days I might say:
Again 300/180 @ 3100 = 223/55 @ 3200 for practical practice. Both would use 2-7x
3. 348 Win
4. 458 Lott
348/250 @ 2150+ = 458/500 2150+
or Express loads :D 348/200 @ 2400= 458/400 barnes X @ 2400
Would use iron sights.
May 7, 2006, 04:14 PM
22 as given , plus 12 gauge as given then
300 win mag
375 H&H mag
if room take an 8 gauge shotgun too
May 8, 2006, 10:11 AM
You could probably get by with 2 rifles:
.308 (or 30-06)
and the .375 H&H
Add to that a .22 and a shotgun, and there's really nothing short of elephants that you couldn't handle.
If I had to add to that, it might be a .223 or .22-250, for long range varmints, but the .308 would do it if need be.
May 8, 2006, 11:18 AM
I believe I could get by with two;
I use these two a lot on deer,antelope,elk,etc...have no problems.Never hunted anything larger than elk,but I hope too one day.Both of the big A's are calling me.
May 8, 2006, 07:00 PM
my top 5 picks out of the gun cabinet are
3. 8mm mauser
5. 45-70 govt
that should handle most anything im ever going to hunt
May 8, 2006, 07:57 PM
Somebody reopened this, So have I changed my mind since 2003??
I would now pick
22 hornet or 221 fireball in a Remington rolling block size 2 action
357 Mag in a Marlin 1894C
6.5 Grendel in a Mini Mauser
45/70 in either a Marlin guide gun, Remington rolling block, or Win Hiwall
May 8, 2006, 08:55 PM
May 9, 2006, 01:39 AM
Those will get the job done every time for anything I hunt.
May 9, 2006, 10:37 PM
Personally, I think the 7mm and .308 are practical duplicates, and the .375 on the light side for heavy African stuff. I'd get something like: