Glock 22 vs USP 40 S&W


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rection47
August 21, 2006, 10:23 PM
I have been reviewing both of these lately as it is the right size round i want but am not sure what would be the best gun to own, if price wasnt an issue.

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possum
August 21, 2006, 10:36 PM
Welcome to THR, :)

What is the main purpose of the gun first and foremost? that would help us out a little in helping you decide. I would secondly recommend that you go some where, hold them both and get a feel for them and see which one fits you best. Then if at all possible, go somewhere you can rent them, and shoot both, and that will give you a further idea about which one fits you best. Either way you go, you can't go wrong, they are both excellent weapons, and i personally love the .40 cal, so in my opinion you are right on track.

10-Ring
August 21, 2006, 11:18 PM
Hands down the USP! I have several diff't USP's and by far, they have the best qualilty control & consistently produce top notch product.

gudel
August 22, 2006, 12:22 AM
I have never had to return any of my pistols to HK for

me neither :D

Just get both. A while back you were asking other kind of guns too, but I suspect you'll end up with a taurus or a 1911 because your local gun shop guys told you so.

daysleeprx
August 22, 2006, 12:53 AM
The Glock has a partially unsupported (infiltrated) chamber that weakens brass during firing. Subsequent re-sizing weakens the case further and "blow outs" are not un heard of. A blow out will destroy your gun and possibly cause you injury. So if you plan to reload, the HK is the better choice.



This statement is gonna cause a lot of arguments. My advice is to do your own research on this subject and come to your own conclusions.

Autolycus
August 22, 2006, 02:19 AM
I prefer the HK P2000 myself. If not that than I would go with a USP.

Reyn
August 22, 2006, 04:08 AM
I like my Glock better than my HK USP.

Autolycus
August 22, 2006, 04:18 AM
Why not go rent them and see which one you like better? The USP can be had without a safety in a variant called the LEM. You can also get it in a SAO mode with safety as well as a DA/SA variant. Good luck on your choice.

mjustice
August 22, 2006, 09:43 AM
I agree with possum that telling what you want to do with the pistol (plinking, ccw, etc.) would help those of us who have used both steer you in the right direction.

That being said, I've tried both and I have a strong preference for H&K over Glock. I don't like the grip angle or safety trigger on Glocks. They work for some people. I am not "some people".

If you can rent or borrow both, that is the best way to go. Everyone's hands and bodies are different and you're never going to know which one is best for you unless you shoot (not simply handle in the shop) both of them.

rection47
August 22, 2006, 02:06 PM
Thanks for all the feedback wasnt expecting it so quick. and the uses id like a gun thats accurate at a range, and good for personal defense.

erict
August 22, 2006, 02:18 PM
I'm a Glock guy and own 3 of them......BUT, that being said, I've shot the USP before and I have to say it was one hell of a sweet shooter and seemed to be smoother than my Glocks.

I definetely plan to ad a HK to my collection sometime soon

bonesaw
August 22, 2006, 03:00 PM
You need to shoot both and decide what you like better. It is going to boil down to whether you like that Glock trigger, and whether you can handle the rough USP grip stippling. The only way you can go wrong here is if you pick the gun that doesn't fit your hand.

mjustice
August 22, 2006, 03:02 PM
the uses id like a gun thats accurate at a range, and good for personal defense.

Does personal defense mean CCW? Or an around-the-house/shop or bedside gun?

mete
August 22, 2006, 03:12 PM
The Glock was originally designed for the 9mm. Some of the 40s have had problems while the 9mm is super reliable. The HK USP was originally designed for the 40 .There is a very significant difference in the grips of the two pistols .The Glock is angled back much more than the USP . Pick the one that fits you best !!!

pablo45
August 22, 2006, 04:29 PM
I would go with the glock22. The price is going to be cheaper the mag's more available and the accessories as well. Although the hk is an excellent gun the glock is just more popular.

Autolycus
August 22, 2006, 09:24 PM
Some good deal on HKs...

http://targetmaster.com/Specials/specials.html

They have a lifetime warrantee.

rection47
August 22, 2006, 10:17 PM
Mostly home defense, not 2 worried about ccw cause id probably be better with a 9mm, then a .40

I have used a glock 17 before is the 22 nearly the same feel just slightly larger?

glennv
August 22, 2006, 10:27 PM
I have both and I find the recoil of the USP very odd. The action seems to almost move in slow motion. It doesn't want to get back on target after the first shot. I thought it was me but I have found other's who have said the same.

Harley Quinn
August 23, 2006, 12:38 AM
That might be a good reason or not. :scrutiny:
You should shoot both, go to a range and see if you can find them.
I doubt there are many H&K's to shoot at a range, but there might be.

HQ:)

Reyn
August 23, 2006, 12:41 AM
Rection,the G17 and G22 are the same frame size.

Cosmoline
August 23, 2006, 01:08 AM
USP's tend to be a notch more $$ and have a different safety/trigger setup. Different strokes.

Slvr Surfr
August 23, 2006, 01:33 AM
I have 1 HK, and 6 glocks. The HK is a tactical .45, its the ONLY HK Ive ever wanted. If you absolutely positively need a bullet proof pistol get the Glock. Easy to operate, buy parts for, and service. As far as calibers go the HK shoots the .40 cal much smoother than the G22. But I think the long slide G35 would have the HK beat in the .40 cal. As far as other calibers go Glocks are hard to beat. You can get a G37 now that shoots the .45 Gap round and has the same size frame as the G17/22. Its Hard to beat a .45!
:cool:

ugaarguy
August 23, 2006, 01:52 AM
HK and Glock both make excellent firearms so quality is a push between them. You need to go handle both pistols and see how they feel in terms of grip, trigger pull, trigger reach, slide stop/release lever, magazine catcg, etc. If you have a range that rents try both and see which one you prefer shooting. Set your budget to buy the HK plus a few hundred rounds of practice ammo so price doesn't influence you one way or the other. If you end up buying the Glock use your budget surplus to buy extra practice ammo and range time. Price nor cool factor will matter one way or the other if the gun doesn't fit your hand making shooting it well difficult. Buy what fits.

slicknickns
August 23, 2006, 11:30 AM
The USP models that came out in 1993, the original was a .40. so the gun was designed around the .40 bullit.

gahyperone
August 23, 2006, 03:52 PM
I have both a H&K USP40 and a glock 22. I favor the Glock over the H&K any day. the trigger on the H&K is spongy and the gun large and bulky. I'm looking to sell the H&K if your really looking ha ha..

Glock or a 1911 style (IMO)

md7
August 23, 2006, 04:28 PM
I own a GLOCK 23, have fired GLOCK 22 and HK USP. Whatever gun you end up with is an excellent choice in my opinion. GLOCK would be the first choice for me. I like the way it points, the angle of the grip, and God help me I even like the trigger. My GLOCK has never given me any problems, and about a thousand rounds later, no jams, failure to fire etc. It also doesn't hurt that magazines and parts are pretty easy to come by. At least that is the case in my area. I am sure that the same could be said of reliability in the HK. Pick whichever one feels right to you, and you have made the right choice.

rauchman
August 23, 2006, 11:17 PM
Greetings,

Haven't posted here in a while. But, I have a USP45F, G19, G17, and had a G22. I love my G19 and G17. Recoil is easy, but hey, it's a 9mm, and although they require more focus of concentration for me to be accurate with them, I really do like them. The G22 I had was a 3rd gen w/ the finger grooves which I can't stand. Also, I don't like the way the Glock handles the .40. It's a snappy round to begin with and you (or at least me) feel the recoil more exagerated than in other .40 platforms I've fired (Sig 226/229, CZ75, Beretta 96, HK USP40C). Regardless, it really comes down to personal preference. In reality, they are both excellent handguns.

Having said all this, the USP is the one gun I would absolutely keep. It is without a doubt, my favorite platform in any caliber. I love the controls, the ergos, and the accuracy is OUTSTANDING!!!! I agree with what another poster said in that the USP's slide seems to move slower, especially as compared to the Glock. However, I can shoot this gun better than anything else I've shot. It has never ever hiccuped, can't say the same for the G17 & G22 that I've owned. My next pistol is a USPF in either 9mm or .40.

Shoot them both. Shoot them again. When I first got my USP, I was dissapointed at the range. I was shooting consistent groups, but they were a good 2" below the bullseye. I dry fire practiced a lot for a week, went back to the range and all was heavenly at the range. Accuracy was great. I've always had a hard time w/ Glock triggers, but maybe that's just me as a lot of folks swear by the Glock. Again, either pistol is great, it's all about personal preference.

rection47
August 24, 2006, 12:55 PM
Lol, thanks for the offer to sell the gun, but im not quite ready to buy it, I'm just getting my research done so when i do buy ill make a good choice. And i do plan on seeing how the usp feels in hand so i can compare to the glock. Thanks for all the comments

rection47
September 6, 2006, 01:17 PM
What is the trigger pull weight on the standard usp .40 DAO?

Cueball
September 6, 2006, 10:52 PM
I would also vote for the USP. They are top notch quality and built to take the abuse. I've shot several thousand rounds thru my USP 40 without a single failure. You won't go wrong with H&K

Glock22
September 6, 2006, 11:39 PM
Like the guy before me said you cant go wrong with a USP but you also cant go wrong with a Glock. Both are amazing guns, how does it fit you how well do you shoot with it? I prefer the Glock 22 but only you can decide.

HSMITH
September 6, 2006, 11:50 PM
I have shot a BUNCH of USP's. I have really tried to like them. I have no problem affording a USP either. I just don't like them. IMO they are clunky, bad ergonomics, and don't offer anything over competing designs that I like better.

If I was given a USP I would sell or trade it without even shooting it. I put a real effort into liking them and just can't find anything to like about them that a similar gun doesn't have. In this case I would recommend a G22, a half dozen mags and a thousand rounds of ammo instead. Probably be enough money left over for a nice steak too.......

Nathan Williams
September 6, 2006, 11:56 PM
Thanks for all the feedback wasnt expecting it so quick. and the uses id like a gun thats accurate at a range, and good for personal defense.

Dont be suprised anytime you compare something to a GLOCK the boards light up. Some people on this forum just hate GLOCKs for no good reason so beware of unjustified biased attitudes. Having said that I have a GLOCK 30, and 21 (both are .45acp) and I love them. Over 2,000 rounds through the 30 with not one single failure. You will hear about kabooms in the G22 but this is almost always due to reloads (which are usually the cause of most KBs) so if you are not planning to shoot reloads disregard these warnings. The grips on a GLOCK are the most common complaint, next to the trigger, I have big hands so the grip feels good to me. Hate to confuse you with more options but FN Herstal has a pretty sweet pistol in .40 S&W as well and you may want to give that a look too.

boomstik45
September 7, 2006, 01:52 AM
If you want a Glock .40 that can beat an HK .40, definitely go with the Glock 35. One of the absolute best .40s I've ever fired. Just an opinion, of course.

Harley Quinn
September 7, 2006, 12:05 PM
I agree:
I wanted to add a few inch's to my Mdl 22, Glock 40. So I bought a 166mm barrel. That is 6.5" . Shoots great. Talk about accurate.
At first it was not as accurate as it is now. Probabaly me and the barrel getting used to everything and doing a very fine job of blowing out the X ring at 15 feet. Slow fire and trying very hard to score the perfect 10:D

Moved the target to approx 50 feet still very tight. I likee:D Not something to carry around town, but good for what I am going to do with it.
Which is, go to the range and impress all the young shooters and just be friendly when they want some pointers. ;)

HQ:)

rection47
September 7, 2006, 06:17 PM
Hate to confuse you with more options but FN Herstal has a pretty sweet pistol in .40 S&W as well and you may want to give that a look too.

heh its no problem, im open to suggestions ill just have to wait for the next gun show to get my hands on one of these to see the feel.

rection47
September 7, 2006, 06:26 PM
Double Action Only is the same firing the glock has right?

Shrike360
September 7, 2006, 07:03 PM
I have both a H&K USP40 and a glock 22. I favor the Glock over the H&K any day. the trigger on the H&K is spongy and the gun large and bulky. I'm looking to sell the H&K if your really looking ha ha..

Glock or a 1911 style (IMO)

Heh, I think just the opposite. But I just consider the Glocks too blocky, and don't like the grip angle.

Reyn
September 7, 2006, 08:02 PM
I dont have a HK .40 but i do have a USP stainless 9mm. I also own several Glocks. One thing i dont like about the HK is the shorter grip compared to the Glocks. I like the way the web of my hand is higher on the Glock. My support hand can get a little more grip on the Glocks. Ive never had a malfunction with either. I like HKs but i like Glocks a little better.

glennv
September 7, 2006, 08:21 PM
Another huge plus about all glock models is the fact that mags can be had for $15 new. I keep spare mags in each car, in my kitchen, livingroom, you name it. You can buy two or three mags for the price of some HK and Sig mags. I wouldn't pick one gun over another because of the mags but it's a bonus.

Kitt
September 7, 2006, 08:41 PM
My daily carry is my HK 40F loaded with Double Tap's 165 gr. Gold Dot bullets. I am "old school" and carry it cocked & locked... You need to find out what works for you...good advice from these guys...shoot as many as you can test drive. Ask you local gun buddies to let you shoot some of their pistols...if you lived close to me I have a "small arsenal" you could wring out. You'll be glad you spent the time getting the right one for you when you need it!

rection47
September 8, 2006, 05:31 PM
Thanks for the offer to the arsenal but i aint driving to NC from FL. heh :-P

History Prof
September 8, 2006, 07:39 PM
I have both a H&K USP40 and a glock 22. I favor the Glock over the H&K any day. the trigger on the H&K is spongy and the gun large and bulky. I'm looking to sell the H&K if your really looking ha ha..
I find my brother's USP45 to be a bit bulky, but the USP40? It isn't too bad at all, at least for me. I've never fired a G22, but when I wanted to add a new 40 to my lineup, I compared the G22 and the XD40 and ended up with the Springfield. I still haven't fired the Springfield, but when I do, I will fire it side by side with my USP40 to see which I prefer. To me, the USP40 is an awsome piece of machinery, but the ergonomics of the XD just seemed very natural.

What I like about the USP is the double action external hammer. The functions are set up very similar to the 1911 (I believe that I read that they did that on purpose).

What I don't like is that when I raise it for firing, I have to "search" for the sight alignment. Haven't had to do that with the XD, but again, I haven't actually fired it yet, either.

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