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usmcski
August 22, 2006, 01:26 PM
How good are these guns? I have seen some of them selling for up to $2000 and I do undersand that they are not made/imported anymore but...$2000? Whats so special about them?

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mete
August 22, 2006, 03:07 PM
There's a new batch of P7M8s arriving. Putting aside the stupid "cult" thing they are extremely well designed and made They are very durable and reliable. .After 25 years and thousands of rounds I'll trust my life to my P7s !!!

usmcski
August 22, 2006, 03:08 PM
So with this new batch arriving....is the price going to go down? who is going to be selling them?
It seems like the more I see these the more I want one!!!
If I recall correctly ...didnt NJ troopers carry these at one point in time?

Cawdor
August 22, 2006, 05:48 PM
I would not expect the prices to come down, though you should be able to find a new one for about $1500. The last new P7 I saw at a gun show was about $1350, but HK likes to raise its prices every year. $2000 is too much for an ordinary P7.

Take a look at Chris's Unofficial Hechler & Koch P7 Pistol Website (http://www.hkp7.com/) for more information.

usmcski
August 22, 2006, 06:44 PM
Any idea of who is going to be selling them?
I didnt see any mention of a new batch.

Vitamin G
August 22, 2006, 07:33 PM
I just picked up a stainless looking (looks like a cross between nickle and the EAA wunderfinish, actually) p7 for $850 from my local dealer. Shoots like a champ in terms of accuracy... I mean it was like a laser. The squeeze cocking takes a little to get used to, but overall its a very nice gun*. I really like the bright finish more than the blued onces, especially considering many of them have alot of holster wear. If i were to pick up a blued one, I'd probably send it right away to get np3'd or rogarded or something similar.




*World Understatement Champion, five years running.

10-Ring
August 22, 2006, 10:13 PM
Go check out www.hkpro.com and www.parkcitiestactical.com for details on the P7M8 & P7 PSP. It's an experience that's tough to explain, but if you try one, you'll understand :cool:

GTKrockeTT
August 23, 2006, 07:27 PM
i'll get rid of all my other 9mm's before i get rid of my P7M8.

boneboy96
August 23, 2006, 09:25 PM
I love the blue frame and the slide when it turns PLUM in color...as they will do after time...great loooking combo...my neighbor has one and his little granddaughter likes to get into things...that squeeze cock mechanism will deter small hands for sure. So will a gun safe...but that;s for another forum. :D

5Wire
August 23, 2006, 10:49 PM
I have no connection to Bud's Gun Shop (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/15386) but a NIB P7 M8 for $1150.26 is less than the AVERAGE price for used P7 M8s.

Keckler & Koch P7 M8 Auto in 9mm. Bluebook of Gun Values indicates between $950 in 98% condition and $1125 in 100% condition for this gun. I have 103 recorded prices using local and internet sources for this gun from $700 to $1750 over a period of 1084 days ending August 19, 2006. The Average price is $1221.

I have a P7 M8 and a P7 M13 and they are both terrific pistols. But some people can't get by the manual of arms on the 'squeeze cocker'. Love'em or hate'em. I think they're the best of the best.

incursion
August 24, 2006, 01:34 PM
Deals are out there, but you have to be vigilant. In the last month, I picked up a (1) refurb P7M8 with less than 500 rounds through it for $650 delivered with 3 mags, (2) a non-refurb PSP with 3 mags for $950 delivered, and (3) a non-refurb KF date coded P7M8 with 7 mags for $500 delivered. The last one has light pitting on the gun and 6 of the mags and heavy pitting on one of the mags. The previous owner also shot thousands and thousands of rounds through it. He had the gas piston and barrel replaced twice.

Lone_Gunman
August 24, 2006, 07:22 PM
I got rid of my P7, and have no regrets.

It was a very accurate and reliable gun, no question.

But it has an unusual manual of arms. I never got comfortable enough with it to be willing to use it for carry. So mainly it just sat in the safe and went to the range.

The only other drawbacks are that it is 9mm, and only has an 8 shot magazine.

I don't regret owning it. I don't regret getting rid of it. I don't want another one.

Tokugawa
August 24, 2006, 10:20 PM
I have carried one for 25 years or so .An ideal carry piece.The strength of the weapon is, as many things in life, in the complete package. No one feature makes it super special, but the combination is excellent. As I see it-
The pro's -The P7 is functionally as reliable an auto loader as I have ever had-keep it lubed and it will run.
It is a slim weapon, with no protrusions.
The manual of arms, although different, is very simple.
Being of fixed barrel design, it is unusually accurate for a small weapon.
It is a very safe design. Untill the squeeze cocker is depressed, the striker is under no pressure at all and locked by a firing pin block. the trigger can be pulled, the weapon dropped, etc. without discharging. I have carried mine "mexican style many times with no qualms, I would never do that with ,say, a Glock .
The trigger pull is consistent shot to shot.
For me, the sights line up naturally.
A low bore axis makes repeat shots quick.

The con's.
The weapon is limited in capacity to 9 rounds.
The weapon is heavy compared to the polymer auto's.
Altho it is accurate, it can be a little hard to shoot, because the muzzle is light- due to the gas system, the P7 has a very short length for a full 4" barrel gun. Maybe this should be in the plus column!
It's a 9mm- some would put this in the plus column as well.
It is not a target weapon- fire four or five qiuck magazines full and the trigger will get very hot from the heat in the gas chamber.
A protruding heel mag. release can be bumped and release the mag. Mine is old PSP awith the heel release.


The older guns up to the P7 M8 are pretty ergonomic. the M13 and especially the 40 are really thick and bulky, negating what I think is one of the main features of the weapon, it's slim lines.

toemag
August 26, 2006, 04:38 PM
I was on the range on friday evening and my mate had his P7M8, @25m's he drilled six hole's into the ten ring and two in the nine ring, this isnt an unusual thing for him as he then did the same with his Sig P210.

I'd buy one.

Toe

Fosbery
August 26, 2006, 04:52 PM
My favourite pistol of all time. 'Nuff said.

Pilot
August 27, 2006, 10:07 AM
I have both the PSP and M8 versions of the P7. I carry the PSP often. They are among my favorites.

Kenneth Lew
August 28, 2006, 12:33 AM
How good are these guns? I have seen some of them selling for up to $2000 and I do undersand that they are not made/imported anymore but...$2000? Whats so special about them?

Pros

1. Very accurate due to fixed barrel.
2. Very compact.
3. Balanced.
4. Novelty manual of arms.
5. HK stamped on side of firearm.

Cons

1. Good for about 50rds before jamming.
2. Don't loose your gas chamber scraper (need to clean chamber after 50 rds)
3. Mags are hard as hell to find now.
4. Parts are even harder to find.
5. Area about the triggers get a little hot after 100 rds. May burn your trigger finger.
6. Rust bucket.
7. HK stamped on side of fiream.

Those pistols are worth about $1,200 in my opinion. The is coming from a fool that used to own 5 of them.

http://home.swbell.net/k100355/P7_upload.jpg

5Wire
August 28, 2006, 01:52 AM
Cons

1. Good for about 50rds before jamming.
2. Don't loose your gas chamber scraper (need to clean chamber after 50 rds)
3. Mags are hard as hell to find now.
4. Parts are even harder to find.
5. Area about the triggers get a little hot after 100 rds. May burn your trigger finger.
6. Rust bucket.
7. HK stamped on side of fiream.


1. I use dry Teflon lube on the gas piston & cylinder, thousands of rounds without jamming. Avoid over lubrication with fluid lubes.
2. Scraper is useful but not necerssary and can be replaced with an aftermarket scraper (see postings at Park Cities Tactical: the Cult of the P7.) A .270 bronze bore brush works fine.
3. Mags for the M8 are out there but may be hard to find.
4. Parts can be obtained from HK, Numrich Gun Parts, and via other 'Cult' members.
5. Yup even the P7 M8 with the heat shield gets hot. Buy a second P7 or shoot something else while the heat dissapates.
6. Rusts if you don't take care of it, like any steel gun. I store my M8 and M13 in siliconized socks after assuring a complete wipedown with Breakfree CLP or CorrosionX. No rust at all.
7. HK stamped on the side is a con? Would Mattel be better?:rolleyes:
8. Dry firing without a dummy cartridge appears to shorten the life of the firing pin bushing.
9. Drop safety springs seem to require common but not frequent replacement.
10. A bitch to reassemble if you proceed beyond factory recommended field stripping.

The manual arms is definitely different in that you have to squeeze the cocking lever to: 1.) release the slide lock or 2.) cock the pistol or 3.) or both at the same time. Since the shooter should have a firm grip on any gun to shoot it properly, the squeezing is a natural thing to do and the gun is consequently very quick to 'present' ready to fire using one hand without moving fingers and thumb from firing position.

Holding the cocking lever back requires very little pressure and repeat shots can be very quickly accomplished. All shots are single action. Once the cocking lever is released, the gun cannot be fired.

The different manual of arms has saved at least one LEO life because the bad guy couldn't figure out out use the gun he'd wrested from the LEO (See Massad Ayoob).

Here's a link with a huge collection of material about the P7 in Print (http://www.gunfaqs.org/P7FAQ/p7inprint.htm)

Coronach
August 28, 2006, 02:04 AM
Only good for 50 rounds without jamming? Mine, apparently, never got that memo. I don't think I've ever done a shooting session of less than 200 rounds, and I've never had a failure of any kind.

Parts and mags might indeed be expensive, the trigger will indeed get hot, the finish is a little thin, but the gun will run just fine.

Mike

Mayo
August 28, 2006, 09:33 AM
I can honestly say I've never had mine jam. It is, along with my SIG, 1 of if not the finest 9mm there is.:D

orionengnr
August 28, 2006, 10:18 AM
I have owned two PSPs, one M13, two M10s over the years. All I have now is the M13, old, well worn, well used, well trusted.

Only time I have ever had jamming/feeding issues are when I used Gun Show cheapie reloads. (Of course, I have had that same problem with a lot of other semi-autos as well :rolleyes: so I refuse to condemn any pistol because of that.)

Any sort of factory ammo, even the 40+ year old MilSurp stuff, worked just fine.

usp9
August 28, 2006, 10:46 AM
How good are these guns? I have seen some of them selling for up to $2000 and I do undersand that they are not made/imported anymore but...$2000? Whats so special about them?



Check http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php for a new P7M8. They seem to be importing new guns from HK. The $2000 is too high. PSPs go for about $750 and up, M8s usually a bit more at around $1000.

The attraction to these guns is because they are;

Very accurate
Very reliable
Slim, easy to conceal
Very reliable
Safe
Fast into action
Superb trigger action
Also very reliable

From a personal point of view, the P7 is in my mind a beautiful gun...graceful, rounded, finished and poised...alas I grow poetic. :o

Find a PSP in good shape for $850 or so. It will only increase in value, or at the least hold value...a no lose situation should you not like the gun.

PX15
August 29, 2006, 10:05 AM
Anyone out there ever have the opportunity to shoot both the H&K P7M8 and the Walther P5 for comparison purposes?

Just curious,

Thanks,

J. Pomeroy

chonny
August 29, 2006, 10:46 AM
After shooting my brother-in-law's last week I'm hooked and want one for a carry piece. I'm looking for one in MA if anyone in the state has one they'd consider selling for a reasonable price. Someone on gunbroker has a refurb and is asking $1500 :rolleyes: obviously jacking the price because MA has ridiculous gun laws.

Thanks.

incursion
August 29, 2006, 01:56 PM
I've shot the P5 and own 5 P7s. I don't like the serrations on the P5's trigger. After a while, they cause my trigger finger to hurt. Other than that though, the pistol is great.

PX15
August 29, 2006, 02:13 PM
incursion:

Thanks for the reply..

I didn't even realize the trigger on my newly acquired (used) P5 had serrations on the trigger... I just got up and looked.. You're right.

Surprisingly, so far in my limited shooting of the P5 the trigger serrations just haven't been a factor.

That's kind of funny too, as I have several Colt & S&W snubby's and all of the older revolvers have serrations which I'm not fond of, while my newer 638 Airweight Bodyguard comes from S&W with a nice, wide, smooth "target trigger"... FWIW the serrations on the Walther P5 are very shallow (less invasive?) in comparison to the J-frame & D frame revolvers trigger.

I appreciate the info..

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

legion3
September 27, 2006, 09:26 PM
I had a P7 PSP and P7 M13, got rid of both, never really liked the M13 but I regretted the PSP immediately that day after right up until two weeks ago when I picked up a New in Box, Unfired, heck the guy had not even inserted the second mag, or removed the paperwork from its baggie, P7 PSP IB (1981) Code for $875 OTD private sale. that's generally the price of the current BMI PSP's, Given the condition I think that was a great price, mags are expensive but are out there...

also not all of them plum up on the slides, my earlier IA code had a plum slide but this new one is blue still to this day,

BTW the guy who had it at the gunshow had numerous classic well-priced, NIB firearms he had purchased, Walther P-88 unfired, 2 hicaps NIB for $900, Walther P5 NIB $525, Even a first run 1988 Glock 19 Unfired...didn't know there was a collectable Glock:scrutiny: ...

HMMurdock
September 27, 2006, 09:35 PM
In my experience the squeeze cocking mechanism is so unique that youll have to train with it a lot to get used to it. And train only with that pistol if it's gonna be your defense gun. Otherwise youll fail to squeeze it tight enough in a pannicky situation.

Don't cheat on her with other handguns at the range-- make her your one and only. That's why I had to pass up on the P7s. Perfect in every aspect, but I'm a gun slut and I know it.

TRL

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