$7 Million Donation To Minutemen For Border Fence


August 22, 2006, 10:55 PM
This is the BEST NEWS I've heard in a long long time!

FOMGuard USA, Inc., a high-tech fencing company whose material was designed for use at the fence along the DMZ in Korea is donating $7 million of fiber optic mesh fencing materials to the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. This fencing material is compatible with the camera systems we announced were to be tested at the border.
According to a Minuteman Civil Defence Corp Spokesman,
"We will have one of the (if not THE) most technologically advanced security fences in America! "

From the Arizona Republic:

Donation will allow Minutemen to erect high-tech border fence

Associated Press
Aug. 22, 2006 03:18 PM

TUCSON - A Washington-based company is donating up to $7 million worth of fiber-optic security fencing material for the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps to use in any new barriers the group erects to try to keep illegal immigrants out of Arizona.

The mesh has embedded sensors that can differentiate between human and animal contact and conditions such as high winds or heavy rain. Tied into cameras and alarms, the system can alert monitors to the precise location of any intrusion.

"We're certainly not against immigration," said Nina (pronounced NINE-uh) May, the head of FOMGuard USA, which is donating the material to the anti-illegal immigration group. "We're against illegal immigration, because there are standards to follow. Too many people stand in line for years, and it's not fair to them."

FOMGuard USA represents FOMGuard Co., a South Korean enterprise that developed the fencing material.

May said the mesh security fencing was designed for use along the demilitarized zone with North Korea.

The system pushes infrared light pulses continuously through the fiber-optic wire mesh, which is called FOM, for Fiber Optic Mesh. It can use the pulsing light to detect if the mesh is stretched or cut and what is pushing or pulling at its strands.

Connie Hair, a spokeswoman for the Minuteman corps, a volunteer group that patrols the border to watch for and report illegal immigrants to federal authorities, said the material could be used on range fencing similar to what the group put up earlier this year on a southern Arizona ranch.

Arizona's 377-mile border, much of which is isolated desert, has been the focal point for smugglers bringing illegal immigrants into this country for years. Much of the immigrant traffic crosses through unprotected border separated at most by old, rusty barbed wire.

May said the number of miles of fencing to be donated will depend on how the Minuteman volunteers want to configure it.

A 5-foot-high stand-alone fiber-optic mesh fence would require a different configuration and use less fiber-optic material than one 10 feet high, May said.


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August 22, 2006, 11:11 PM
This is what we're looking at if we don't stop this madness. Although this thread will likely be shut down before long even though it relates to national security and the BOR, all should examine this link.
A shame that Bush won't do what the Minutemen are doing.



August 23, 2006, 12:33 AM
Great News!

August 23, 2006, 12:49 AM
A fence by itself is impractical. To make the border impenetrable would require thousands of miles of fence that could not be tunnelled under or climbed over (bridged). Has anyone really designed such a barrier, or estimated the cost and time to build it?:what:

And then there's the Canadian border...

...and landings from the sea...boat or submarine...

There's got to be a better solution.:confused:

August 23, 2006, 12:52 AM
You're right, fences arent gonna stop everybody. But its better than nothing (which is what we have now).

Liberal Gun Nut
August 23, 2006, 01:20 AM
Has anyone really designed such a barrier, or estimated the cost and time to build it?

Yeah they had one of those in Berlin. Be careful what you wish for. Every fence has two sides.

August 23, 2006, 01:37 AM
Throughout history border Fences/walls have failed to keep the intended people out. The Great Wall to the Berlin wall where useless, people always found a way over then, under them or through them. A wall is not going to stop or even slow down the immigriants coming across the border. Going after companies that higher undocumented workers for chump change would do alot more than any wall.

Liberal Gun Nut
August 23, 2006, 01:39 AM
Throughout history border Fences/walls have failed to keep the intended people out.

Yup. And people will take very big risks for the right economic opportunities, which is why immigrants are willing to risk drowning, etc, to come to Europe, the US, etc.

Making it impossible to hire or pay illegals is the only thing that will work. But the same powers that can be used to control illegals will be used to control the rest of us once they are put in place.

August 23, 2006, 04:27 AM
We could send in the CIA to rig a revolution that would transform the Mexican economy into something that their citizens could benefit from instead of seeing illegally entering the US as their only option to support their family. :cool: :scrutiny:

August 23, 2006, 06:17 AM
It is a start.

August 23, 2006, 10:40 AM
Nice gesture.

Too bad a certain gentleman in the White House and certain other gentles in Congress want this fence about as much as they want representative government.

Put the fence around D.C.

And save some for Mexico City.

August 23, 2006, 11:06 AM
...had a gate in it big enough to let Kong through. (Never got that)
Illegals are many, and they are small, and they are more motivated to get here than we are to stop them. They risk death to escape their own BS country. What are we really doing to keep them out?
I haven't done anything, certainly, and am not properly motivated to quit my job and go down to help. This is true of the VAST majority of people who support the closing of the borders.

August 23, 2006, 11:26 AM
Pic of the Fence to be:

Keith Wheeler
August 23, 2006, 11:27 AM
Hmm, two things:

1) 12,000 miles of coastline

2) How many people advocating this fence idea have actually been to visit the harsh terrain these people come through? When I lived in California I did a lot of 4x4 offroading in some of it; if someone is up to the challenge of getting through the incredibly difficult natural obstacles, a couple of man-made ones will be nothing.

Edited -- had to laugh "unpaved but smooth patrol road". My G-d, this is design be committee. We're not talking about putting up a fence in Maryland, we're talking about some of the wildest desert land in the world. Actually rather fun, but a lot of it is not someplace you're just going to build a road for your WWII vintage jeep there. There will be places you can't just drive to; there will be places people can get through. Oh, and did you know that the area around south eastern California is some of the most active in the world as far as earthquakes go? How soon before there are cracks in those walls? Not to mention how much this will cost to build in places so brutal even the railroads gave up...

August 23, 2006, 11:39 AM
Three words:

Whatever It Takes.

By '08, at the rate we are going, we are going to have a Bosnia on our hands here. We'd better take all this very, very seriously.

August 23, 2006, 11:45 AM
I think a single strand of wire about ten feet inside the border, with many unequivical warning signs in appropriate languages and symbology, backed up by automated surveilance and defenses on the US side.

If the invader goes past the wire he gets a warning - a loud horn. Maybe loud enough in itself to drive off most intruders.

A little farther along he gets one warning shot from a remote triggered sniper rifle controlled from a nice A/C office anywhere in the world.

But three strikes and you are out.

A good sniper rifle can cover maybe 1000 yards of border, so a rifle every 500 yards would ensure at least two rifles would be able to respond to any invasion.

Maybe $20,000 a mile. With government contracting practices included maybe $100,000 a mile.

It would not stop every invader, but it would reduce the numbers substantially.

August 23, 2006, 11:59 AM
Remotely operated sniper rifles?


I have a question though; if you're building a fence or doing some other option what happens to the towns that sit very close to or right on the border? Wait, don't tell me it's going to be Eminent Domain?

August 23, 2006, 01:28 PM
You'd better get Bush out first. He doesn't think fences are "welcoming." How are we going to get all those hard-working moms and dads who sustain family values in here if we have an impenetrable fence?

This will start with employer sanctions and progress to employer punition when that doesn't work.

August 23, 2006, 03:16 PM
What's the betting that someone steals all that valuable fibre optic cable? :D

Art Eatman
August 23, 2006, 05:54 PM
I've driven the old railroad grade along the border, from Columbus, NM to El Paso. The only thing delineating the border is a three- or four-strand barbed-wire fence, with an occasional sign saying, "International Boundary". Miles and miles of nuthin' but nuthin'.

A fence or wall, all alone, won't solve the problem. A five- or six-strand fence with regular patrols is a start, but the patrols must have backup personnel to play Taxi in the event of arrests. Having volunteer observers with radios is another step in reducing illegal crossings. Drones, cameras, all that high-tech stuff is also a help. But it still takes people on the ground.

Forget the notion of "stopping" illegal entry. Think in terms of "reducing", towards manageable levels...

No matter what is done at the border itself: As long as there is an economic incentive for people to try to get into the U.S., people will try to get into the U.S.

As long as there are Jihadists who intend harm to the U.S., they will be trying to enter the U.S. Some, inevitably, will succeed no matter what is done in efforts at prevention.


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