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ken grant
August 23, 2006, 04:45 PM
Ate in a Waffle House today(first time in quite awhile.
They had a sign that said " No Firearms Allowed on Waffle House Property"
To me that means anywhere,even in your car or truck in the parking area.
Also at the same time I was there,a Law Enforcement Officer was eating there and he was wearing a weapon.
Does not the sign mean anything? It said " NO FIREARMS". It did except anyone.
No more meals at Waffle House for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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HankB
August 23, 2006, 04:48 PM
Does GA require specific wording on the sign the way TX does?

What does the law in GA say regarding this sort of signage?

browningguy
August 23, 2006, 04:49 PM
In Texas the sign would only mean they don't want you to , for example, illegally carry a concealed firearm on there premises. It would not apply to a CHL holder.

Henry Bowman
August 23, 2006, 05:38 PM
It means, simply, that they value the safety of criminal over yours and choose to protect the criminals in a very open and visible way (signage).

JCampGCO
August 23, 2006, 05:48 PM
No weapons or firearms signage have no legal weight in Georgia (The only good thing I can say about the state's otherwise jim crow laws)

The only thing a business owner can do is ask you to leave and if you refuse then you could be arressted for trespass.

As a GFL holder, you have no carry places to worry about besides business that post no weapons signage. Becareful where you go in public while armed. The public place can become a public gathering and then you would be in violation of the law.

Check out this site. http://www.georgiapacking.org It has a pretty good run-down as to where you can and cannot carry. Even though there is still alot of grey area as to where you can carry your piece, this site will help you better understand the law so you won't end up in violation.

Art Eatman
August 23, 2006, 06:02 PM
Specifically in Texas: Such a sign has no legal standing. If your concealed handgun is "made" and you are asked to leave and you leave, no harm, no foul. Only the "30-06" sign counts at a non-booze joint, and only BEHIND the sign. That is, if the 30-06 sign is at a driveway entrance, the parking lot behind the sign is a forbidden area. If the sign is at the doorway, the parking lot is okay for your handgun to be there.

A plain vanilla "No guns on premises" only legally applies to employees of the owner/manager who put up the sign.

Other states, other laws...

Art

SMMAssociates
August 23, 2006, 07:14 PM
Here in the beautiful state of Ohio all they have to do is tell you....

That sign would be valid....

We call these places "Criminal Protection Zones", set up by criminal-friendly folks.

Keep on driving....

That sign, btw, doesn't exempt CHL's. It really allows only on-duty LEO's.

Not even in the trunk....

Some of our legislators are criminal-friendly. So's the current governor.

Regards,

Valkman
August 23, 2006, 07:17 PM
That sign is not legal in NV either, so it's useless. It doesn't stop me or the bad guys! :D

Sistema1927
August 23, 2006, 07:51 PM
Sounds like they don't want your business. Why would you want to eat at the "Awful House" anyway?

crazed_ss
August 23, 2006, 08:35 PM
I've only had one experience in a Waffle house. The food was horrible, and the sherriff had to be called out because an interracial couple were eating there.

Dont think I'll ever go there again.. lol

gezzer
August 23, 2006, 09:01 PM
In NH it means they are trying their best to go out of bussiness. The signs would mean 0 except to piss off folks like me.

Cacique500
August 23, 2006, 10:17 PM
I wonder if that's a 'corporate' decision or if it's the local franchise. I eat in WH all the time while I'm on the road and I carry in them regardless...especially if it's late at night...that's when you get to see the really interesting parts of our population... :uhoh:

kabbie
August 23, 2006, 10:54 PM
In SC the sign is valid.. When ever I see a sign like it I ALWAYS,, Stick my head in the door and hollar.." Hey I would eat here ( Buy, Shop, ect..) except I see you don't want honest law abideing people in here.. So I'll just take my money down the street to your competition" Have a safe day now.....I got one gas station to remove the sign by haveing all my cabs fill up somewhere else..

Doing what I can a little at a time !!!

Sistema1927
August 23, 2006, 11:28 PM
I've only had one experience in a Waffle house. The food was horrible, and the sherriff had to be called out because an interracial couple were eating there.

Was this in 1954 :confused:

The food must have really been bad for you to have not gone back since then.

lacoochee
August 24, 2006, 12:07 AM
The folks eating at the waffle house probably took exception, so the police had to be called to protect the couple, not remove them. Also don't assume that it was rednecks doing the attacking I have seen it go three ways around here at least, sometimes the Nubian gods of the Muslim Brotherhood do not like it, often times the golden members of La Raza do not like it, just as often as the occasional white supremist doesn't like it. Things are much worse here now than it was in 1954.

LiquidTension
August 24, 2006, 02:58 AM
That sign in SC would mean exactly nothing.

SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.

(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.

(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:

(1) clearly visible from outside the building;

(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;

(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;

(5) a diameter of a circle; and

(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.

(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:

(1) thirty-six inches wide by forty-eight inches tall in size;

(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three- inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty-four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;

(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety-six inches above the ground;

(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.

Waitone
August 24, 2006, 10:43 AM
A common technique to get CCH legislation passed is to have detailed specs (see above) buried in the code but not publicized. It allows business owners to appeal to those who oppose firearms by posting a meaningless sign void of legal effect. Smartest thing to do is become aware of your state's specific laws. Also look out for details in law requiring all public entries to be posted. If a door in the mall is not posted then entry is perfectly legal. Lots and lots of games are played to get legislation passed. Both sides participate.

roo_ster
August 24, 2006, 11:44 AM
I just recently ate at a Waffle House in Thomasville, GA. No sign there.

Also, no sign in any of the WH joints here in Texas.

WH is my boy's favorite restaurant.

LiquidTension
August 24, 2006, 11:21 PM
WaHo has the best hash browns ever.

Snarlingiron
August 24, 2006, 11:35 PM
The only thing they ever say to me at Awful House is "Y'all want that greasy or extry greasy?"

zoom6zoom
August 24, 2006, 11:43 PM
I used to eat there a lot when I was on the road more. I think their food has gotten worse and their prices are about twice what they were. My last visit they got my order wrong twice and tried to charge me for stuff I didn't order. Won't miss 'em.

cassandrasdaddy
August 24, 2006, 11:44 PM
but we had a shooting here in fredericksburg one dead. ruled a god shoot . it was at wafflr house and perhaps the signs are a knee jerk reaction by the lawyers to reduce their liability. the employees at this waffle house testified and saved the shoooters tail. he initially fled by time he returned they had already told cops about him being attacked and the ca made good ruling. no charges

Lupinus
August 25, 2006, 12:59 AM
I like waffle house and have never seen a sign at one, but its been awhile so if it is chain wide it is new or I never noticed.

In SC it would mean nothing. Signs here carry weight but they are very specific, they need proper wording size AND a picture.

rev214
August 25, 2006, 08:00 AM
these guys are realtree sponsors...

http://www.realtree.com/store/category/40/startat/1/s/0/

can't have it both ways, mr. waffle house...your either pro- or anti-

Art Eatman
August 25, 2006, 01:39 PM
Probably a local-franchise thing, from the comments above.

Somebody want to ask the corporate folks about it? Get an answer from one end or another of the horse? That's better than stewing about it, here.

And forget the comments about the food. OT bandwidth-waste.

Art

Malum Prohibitum
August 25, 2006, 02:24 PM
Ate in a Waffle House today(first time in quite awhile.
They had a sign that said " No Firearms Allowed on Waffle House Property"

Please visit the following four-page thread http://www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51 and post the precise location. We are keepig track of locations in Georgia where such signs are posted.

;)

smince
August 25, 2006, 07:16 PM
The local WH had one posted. I was halfway through my meal before I noticed it. Told the mgr I wouldn't be back, then went home and emailed corporate. Never heard a thing from them. A friend said the local WH had taken the sign down, but I haven't been back to check.

Gary G23
August 25, 2006, 09:27 PM
No sign at the WH here in southern KY. Last time I was in Memphis there was one posted there. Personally I think it would have been foolish to have been in there without a gun.

glennv
August 25, 2006, 10:33 PM
There is a shop in RI that has a lame "No Guns" sign. Now in RI there areno restrictions on where you can CCW so the sign means nothing...but it's an arts and crafts store so when the wife wants me to go in with her I point to the sign. "Sorry honey, no guns allowed."

Nightfa11
August 25, 2006, 10:36 PM
No posting at the Waffle House in Liberty, MO off I-35 and HWY 152

Scattered, smothered, covered and diced all the way!!!

Meadhall
August 25, 2006, 11:35 PM
When I worked at the Dry Ridge KY store for 2 years (night shift at that, and yes, you do see some of humanities finest :uhoh: ) we had that sign up and were told it referred to the help.

OB-1
August 26, 2006, 10:43 AM
I try not to frequent Criminal Safety Zones, but, unfortunately, it is sometimes necessary. The important thing to remember when carrying a concealed weapon is to keep it concealed! Essentially, the only time anyone should know you’re carrying a concealed weapon is when they’ve crossed that line and you have no choice but to apply deadly force.:eek: Hopefully, no one will ever know you are carrying a concealed weapon.:)

SMMAssociates
August 26, 2006, 12:19 PM
I try not to frequent Criminal Safety Zones, but, unfortunately, it is sometimes necessary. The important thing to remember when carrying a concealed weapon is to keep it concealed! Essentially, the only time anyone should know you’re carrying a concealed weapon is when they’ve crossed that line and you have no choice but to apply deadly force. Hopefully, no one will ever know you are carrying a concealed weapon.
OB-1:

While I don't disagree with that advice, here in OH it's quite dangerous.

A "private" CPZ (the criminal-friendly folks in the legislature set things up so that criminal-friendly businesses can post their parking lots) is a misdemeanor. You don't want to collect more than a few of these (and they can cost you about half the price of a P3-AT), but until we get Lautenberg'd, merely bad advice since telling somebody to commit a crime is a crime in itself.

We also (bless the criminal-friendly folks) have two other CPZ classes that can be very hazardous to your freedom and wealth:

1. There's a whole list of buildings that we paid for that are off limits, and a Felony to enter while armed. This includes things like Police Stations, Courthouses, and about any "government" property, including fun things like Ohio Turnpike Service Plaza buildings (but not the grounds), and Rest Stops on other roadways. But not the parking lots. Criminals, of course, may go armed in the buildings.... (This also includes County Fairs and Parks, where us second-class citizens can usually - some local governments don't understand the law or are criminal-friendly enough to violate it - use the grounds, but not enter the buildings, including the rest rooms.) Just coming into an enumerated CPZ (which is what most of us call the above facilities) to take the kid to a quick pit stop is a Felony.... All of these must be posted, with a sign designed to trap the unwary. Says "unless authorized by law" or some such. "Licensed" folks from other states may not know that the A/G has specifically stated that "it doesn't apply to us." (HR218 folks and off-duty LEO's are also restricted.)

2. Bars are off limits too. But there's no "51%" provision. ANY place that serves alcohol is a CPZ. But there's no requirement to post at all.... There's a nice restaurant in a hotel lobby north of Columbus that you actually have to sit down and see the "cards" on the tables or observe other diners to find out that they serve.... We're supposed to know.... It's a "must arrest" Felony too.... This is a little oversimplified, and the A/G has specifically told us that a hotel lobby is OK if you're trying to register, but has some cuties in it - for example, if your favorite grocery store has "wine tastings", the area in which the tasting is being done is off limits. The only good news is that if sales of liquor are not for on-premises consumption you're generally OK. I like to drive over to PA where I'm not a second-class citizen. Criminals, naturally, don't need to observe this rule.... (HR218's and off-duty LEO's are not exempt.)

The other night there was a shooting at a school ball field. Also a CPZ. The only Security was the signs. Worked real good.... If you're taking your kid to school (or picking him/her up), you can't even drive onto the property with your weapon in the vehicle....

We're working on this, but the same criminal-friendly legislators are being their usual helpful selves....

And don't carry into the Post Office either....

Regards,

SMLE
August 26, 2006, 08:23 PM
This came up a while back. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=95345

On the 3rd page is a post showing the e-mail I sent t0 Village Inn's Corp. office and their reply. VI has better food and more comfortable seating anyway.

baz
August 26, 2006, 11:38 PM
And don't carry into the Post Office either....What would Ohio have to say about this? PO's are not state buildings. Are PO's specifically off limits per OH law?

SMMAssociates
August 27, 2006, 12:39 AM
Baz:

As I read the USPS regs and applicable federal law (don't ask me for a reference), the Post Office really doesn't care, but in OH a Post Office is specifically "enumerated" (listed).... The ones around here used to post "unless authorized" but then they changed to "NO"....

I'm a branch Post Office (courtesy of Stamps.com) - I wonder if I have to post my office....

The outer lobby of the one nearest to me seems to not be posted :neener: so I use that when necessary. I can do about anything else I need from my office. I can also ask 'em to come and pick up, but I've always been too cheap.

One thing to remember - the enumerated CPZ list - essentially buildings I paid for - was included as much as a poison pill as anything else. Most of them are protected only by a sign. We all know how effective that is.... :cuss:

Regards,

Dmack_901
August 27, 2006, 01:03 AM
That's wierd. That's wrong.

I should have the right to say anyone carrying a weapon is not permitted to enter my property. It sounds ok to most, untill you extend that to blacks or gays, or whatever you wish. But the fact is, whoever owns the place should... own the place.

It's like zoning restrictions, etc. Everyone has a right to own property. And being unable to build what we wish/descern who enters it, infringes on that right.

It's simple. You don't want CCWers to come in; You don't get their buisness. Same for everyone else. You want to open a tobacco shop in a subdivision; You deal with it having little traffic(customers) drive by.

outofbattery
August 27, 2006, 01:45 PM
I don't recall going into a Waffle House in VA/NC/SC/GA that did not have the sign on the door concerning weapons.The last time I was in one a couple years ago,in Chambersburg,PA the sign was present.

solareclipse
August 27, 2006, 02:43 PM
i am not aware of a single WH employee that will enforce this sign/rule/policy.

carry safely.

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