Why are most of the crappy gun law states in the same general area??


August 23, 2006, 09:47 PM
Most of the northeast is a cesspool of unconstitutional laws and regulations. There are 7 states that "may issue" :uhoh: and quite a few with AWB's.:barf:

In the heartland, there are 2 no-issue states and 1 may issue... all bordering each other.

And of course, we have the big CA by it's lonesome putting a festering sore on our western shore.

Excluding the CCW issue, it sure seems like the entire Northeast, the areas immeidately west/south of chicago and the land of hippies are generally the worst places for 2a rights.... not to mention the areas with the most people overall.

So... why are those particular geographic areas so f'ed up? I was talking to a friend in Chicago and we got to the topic of Chicago's recent ban on foigrais or however you spell it. Then it got into corruption and how it's always been that way. Is that why the NE, Chicago area and Cali area are so bad...because they are all old and established places? A lot of the south was burned to cinders not too long ago, and many of the plains states are still largely unpopulated... is that just something to expect as cities get bigger and older?

Just seems odd to me that crap seems to pool together.

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August 23, 2006, 10:09 PM
It's because of the garbage politicians getting elected by garbage voters. After one state is ruined by garbage policies they spread like a plague to adjacent states and then try to turn that state into a socialist landfill too.

They never consider that maybe THEY are the reason their previous state was so terrible to live in. So they move elsewhere and try to make everyone there just as miserable as they used to be with high taxes and high crime and more handouts for ne'er do wells.

August 23, 2006, 10:20 PM
I live in Pennsylvania and feel "surrounded". NY, NJ, DE, MD all have awful gun laws, but PA has some of the best in the country.

I think urban centers (and the crime they breed) are what fuel gun control. Urban leaders have a lot of crime on their hands and instead of calling for all of their constituents to be locked up they blame guns. During Philadelphia's rash of gun violence anti-gun mayor john street called for a moratorium on CCW permits. Of course I don't think any of the criminals doing the shooting were licensed to carry so how this would impact crime I can't imagine. At the same time the head of the Philadelphia prison system was asking for ways to get the criminals back on the streets faster b/c they were overcrowded.

Fortunately PA only has 2 major cities. As far as I am concerned NJ can take Philadelphia & NYC and Tony Blair can be Mayor.

Nathan Williams
August 23, 2006, 10:21 PM
Illinois isnt as bad as most people think as long as you stay away from the Chicago area. Sure we have no C.C, and F.O.I.D's suck if you wana buy mail order ammo, and no class III. But hey its not The Peoples Republic of **********, or New Yorkistan. Assault weapons, and hi capacity mags are still ok. For now...........:scrutiny:

August 23, 2006, 10:24 PM
Anyway, you are forgeting that Vermont(basicaly no state gun laws), New Hampshire, Maine, Penn and Delware are know for a lack of guns laws. And yes they are all blue states. Ok, Penn is pretty mixed but still leans Democrat. Though a good % of the states with the worse gun laws in the nation are in the Northeast area. This is due to the large % of the populations that live in urban areas compared to rural areas, which are becoming more suburban every year.

August 24, 2006, 01:36 AM
Illinois isnt as bad as most people think ... Sure we have no C.C ... But hey its not The Peoples Republic of **********
Some rural California counties are virtually Shall Issue.


August 24, 2006, 02:10 AM
The subject you raised is a huge ball of wax so I'm going to focus my comments on Concealed Carry.

The Northeast ain't as bad as you make it out to be. Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Pennsylvania, Connecticut are RTC states. Rhode Island is discretionary at the moment, but that seems to depend upon whom the AG is. Back in the days of Mike Gawley (before packing.org), Rhode Island was very close to Shall Issue. Delaware is arguably the least discretionary of the May Issue states. Some counties of NY are rather close to Shall Issue. Massachusetts is May Issue, but if you're a non-resident (applying to the state police) or live outside Boston it can be close to Shall Issue.

Some rural California counties are close to Shall Issue.

Remember that in 1986, there were just 10 Right To Carry states in the Union.

1 Pacific (Washington)
3 Mid-West (North Dakota, South Dakota, Indiana)
2 Southern (Alabama, Georgia)
4 New England (New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut and Maine)

Today it's 40 out of 50 that are RTC. A gain of 30 states in 19 years. Back in 1995, I lived in Maryland and woulda bet a paycheck Virginia would NOT go Shall Issue. If you'd told me then that Alaska would go Vermont within 10 years, I'd have lost another paycheck taking that bet.

A huge change has happened slowly before all our eyes, and most of us cannot really fathom it even when we look at it and see the unequivocal evidence.

Goods news is that Wisconsin and Delaware stand a good chance of going RTC next year. If Doyle gets the boot, then Wisconsin is a lock. Delaware will be more of a fight.

Bad news is that may be all she wrote without a HUGE fight and lots of hearts and minds of voters truly changed.

A national reciprocity law, a la HR218, might be the way to do an "end run" around the discretionary states.

August 24, 2006, 02:23 AM
I noticed the numbers in LA county. However I wonder how many of those are rich political people, Producers, Hollyweird stars, or sports players.

I just looked at San Fransico. Says TEN yes TEN permits issued. Diane Freakstein, and Sean Penn are two of them, so that makes it a total of eight others.

Also look at some of the other counties around the Bay area and LA.

May Issue is a total croc, and in my view a civil rights violation. Im glad I live in a shall issue state. Although I could care less because I have a out of state permit. Stl county, Stl city, KC jacked around too long, and our cheif even said in court he felt Stl county residents don't need to carry firearms to protect themselves:uhoh: :banghead:

However excluding the communist dictatorship of IL, it's odd but some of the stict states such as Kali, NY, NJ have some sort of CCW program although its may issue, and fixed so only certain people can get it in some cases. While many more gun laxed states such as Texas, Utah, MO, and now most recent KS have now got CCW programs over the last 10 years.

August 24, 2006, 02:53 AM
Top ten counties in California by rate of issuance (for the entire population of the county)

3.23% - Sierra
3.02% - Trinity
2.98% - Modoc
2.59% - Alpine
2.08% - Amador
1.99% - Mariposa
1.87% - Plumas
1.57% - Tehama
1.49% - Shasta
1.49% - Tuolumne

For comparison, the rate of issuance in Texas is only 1.08%

Everything is relative and not always what it seems.

al g blenny
August 24, 2006, 03:35 AM
Don't forget that we do actually have a Republican Governor here in Keruptifornia. The Bay Area is the worst. SF wants to ban all military in the city. I think we should break SF off of the Peninsula and make it the new Alcatraz. Those lefties belong in a prison.

evan price
August 24, 2006, 04:37 AM
Sh*t tends to clump together.

Nathan Williams
August 24, 2006, 07:09 AM
Some rural California counties are virtually Shall Issue.

My point was **********s ban on assualt weapons, and hi capacity mags. Ever see a Kali legal AR? :barf:

Steve 48
August 24, 2006, 03:26 PM
Kansas has a ban on silencers, suppresors and fully automatic pistols or rifles. Seems silly to me since I used many in the service. Steve 48

August 24, 2006, 09:44 PM
Ah, liberalism contaminates what it touches if vigilance is not given. Same as all other beliefs other than gun control, Media hype is really what became PC with the better moral attitude of their better than anyone else.

Crunched together prey in big cities fell to this. Rural nearer the earth folks have not been taken in by this contamination as they know where the basic of life, food comes from.

IMHO what has helped this is the .gov “We know what’s best for Joe 6 pack”

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