What states require FFL to FFL of firearms.


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50 Freak
August 24, 2006, 09:51 PM
I think in CA, if someone buys a gun from me, we don't have to have a FFL send the firearm to him.

As long as it is not an AW and we have a copy of the buyer's FFL. We should be okay.

Am I right?

NY requires FFL to FFL transfers...what other states and is it limited to rifles and HGs or just HGs.

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Ohen Cepel
August 24, 2006, 10:00 PM
MD has some simlilar foolish laws (less than a year left in this fiasco!).

You're OK with most long guns doing FTF, but if it's on the "restricted" list or a handgun then you can't.

However, I'm sure someone smarter on MD law can make more sense of it. It's confusing to me.

VARifleman
August 24, 2006, 10:01 PM
You are not correct, from the NRA's page:

Transfer or sale of all firearms must be processed with a California gun dealer`s license. An application for transfer must be made with the gun dealer before any firearm may be sold or transferred. This application contains a description of the buyer or transferee and of the firearm. A copy is sent by the dealer to the California Department of Justice and the local police chief or sheriff. The dealer may be charged a fee up to $14 by the Department of Justice. If the Department of Justice determines that the buyer or transferee is not eligible to possess a firearm, they shall notify the dealer immediately. There is a 10-day waiting period before delivery of any firearm. Dealers must keep a register of all firearm transfers. A person under restraining order may not acquire any firearm.

Starting October 1, 1993, no firearm capable of being concealed upon the person shall be delivered or sold unless the person receiving the firearm presents to the gun dealer a basic firearms safety certificate approved by the California Department of Justice.

No person shall make an application to purchase more than one pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person within a 30-day period and no delivery shall be made to any person who has made an application to purchase more than one pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person within any 30-day period.

A gun dealer must post a sign advising "If you leave a loaded firearm where a child obtains and improperly uses it, you may be fined or sent to prison."

The waiting period and dealer application do not apply to transfers to police officers, other gun dealers, manufacturers, or importers, antique firearms, and rifles and shotguns which are classified as curios or relics by the federal government, infrequent gifts or transfers to one`s "immediate family," an infrequent temporary loan not to exceed 30 days to a person who is not prohibited from possessing a firearm, and a transfer of a rifle or shotgun at auctions by nonprofit or public benefit corporations.

It is unlawful for any person to transfer any firearm to a person who is forbidden to possess or own a firearm. A dealer may not transfer a pistol to a person under 21 or other firearm to a person under 18.

It is unlawful to purchase, receive, or attempt to purchase or receive a firearm if such person is subject to a protective order, temporary restraining order or injunction.

Within 60 days of bringing a pistol, revolver or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person into this state, the person importing the firearm must complete and return a Department of Justice registration form or sell or transfer the firearm to a licensed dealer, sheriff or police department.

Link (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=CA)

Pilgrim
August 24, 2006, 11:46 PM
You should be Ok since you sold your gun to a FFL holder. To be completely safe, perhaps you should ask for a copy of his DOJ Certificate of Eligibility. One can have an FFL in CA, but not be authorized by the state to deal in the firearms trade. One needs both to buy and sell firearms as a trader in CA.

For the buyer to be completely legal - based on my experience in working in a CA gun shop - he should enter your gun in his shop inventory, even if he intends to keep it for his personal use. If he intends to keep it for personal use, he then transfers it to his personal inventory.

The CA FFL holder I worked for transferred guns into his personal inventory just like he was buying it from his shop as a customer. He entered a CA Dealer's Report of Sale into the DOJ computer so there was no question when it became his personal property. He did this so he could later sell handguns that were not SB-15 (safety) approved as a private party transfer. DOJ told him if he kept a non SB-15 handgun in his personal inventory for a year, he could then sell it under the private party transfer provisions.

Pilgrim

VARifleman
August 24, 2006, 11:51 PM
looks like I misread something. You are probably right Pilgrim.

nyresq
August 25, 2006, 05:32 AM
50 FREAK, NY's laws are not quite so cut and dry...

NY STATE law doesn't prohibit an out of state non FFL from shipping a gun to a dealer in NY. It is the local county laws that change the rules. here on Long Island, a rifle or shotgun can be sent from a private citizen to a dealer, but handguns must come from an FFL. this is local county laws and is different from county to county. My brother lives in upstate NY and has received pistols from private non FFL people shipped to his dealer. it all depends on the county in NY as to handguns.

I do know that connecticut is a FFL to FFL for handguns statewide. I can't say for long guns.

SaxonPig
August 25, 2006, 10:59 AM
CA gun laws are very complex and invasive. Generally all transfers (even within the state) are to go through an FFL who holds the gun for 10 days before delivery. Any out of state seller in any state must ship a gun to a local FFL for delivery to the buyer. That's federal not state law.

If you are selling a gun to a CA resident from out of state also bear in mind that CA bans a long list of "assault weapons" and any handgun imported must be listed on the state "approved handgun" list. Most older, discontinued pistols are not listed.

C&R long gun sales within the state may go FTF but handguns must still go through FFL dealer. C&R holders in CA can recieve long guns from out of state but again pistols, even C&R, must go through dealer. Only good thing is that C&R handguns are exempt from the "approved list" requirement and may be imported.

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