Scary Laws that the gun Grabbers would like to see Passed


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AJAX22
August 25, 2006, 04:17 AM
I was looking up microstamping today, and I came across a site which supports the idea.

Browsing through it to see what the main arguments were, I came across a 'Model Assultweapon Law'

It's scary, but worth a look.

know your enemy.

http://www.csgv.org/docUploads/Model%20AWB%20law%2Epdf

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71Commander
August 25, 2006, 07:22 AM
Here's the proper link. Your link is a PDF file.

http://www.csgv.org

Thefabulousfink
August 25, 2006, 01:43 PM
Some Selected Quotes:
b)According to FBI data, between 1998 and 2001, one in five law enforcement
officers slain in the line of duty was killed with an assault weapon.

f) [Insert appropriate state specific findings here when applicable. For
example, “According to state/local police, assault weapons are routinely
recovered during police investigations of other crimes…”]

Section 3: Definitions.
1) The term “assault weapon” shall mean:
a) Any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump-action rifle that is capable of
accepting a detachable magazine and that also possesses any of the following:
i) If the firearm is a rifle, a pistol grip located rear of the trigger;
ii) If the firearm is a rifle, a stock in any configuration, including but not limited to
a thumbhole stock, a folding stock or a telescoping stock, that allows the
bearer of the firearm to grasp the firearm with the trigger hand such that the
web of the trigger hand, between the thumb and forefinger, can be placed
below the top of the external portion of the trigger during firing;
iii) If the firearm is a pistol, a shoulder stock of any type or configuration,
including but not limited to a folding stock or a telescoping stock;
iv) A barrel shroud;
v) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator;
vi) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the
hand that is not the trigger hand;
b) Any pistol that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine at any location
outside of the pistol grip;
c) Any semiautomatic pistol, or any semiautomatic, center-fire rifle with a fixed
magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
d) Any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine;
e) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder;
f) Any conversion kit or other combination of parts from which an assault weapon,
as defined herein, can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under
the control of any person.
b) Any pistol that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine at any location
outside of the pistol grip;
c) Any semiautomatic pistol, or any semiautomatic, center-fire rifle with a fixed
magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
d) Any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine;
e) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder;
f) Any conversion kit or other combination of parts from which an assault weapon,
as defined herein, can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under
the control of any person.
**So any 1903, k98, m1, m39, k31, enfield, or any other milsurp with a wood stock**

e) In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on
the effective date of this Act, the person possessing the assault weapon shall do
all of the following:
1) Within 90 days following the effective date of this Act, submit to a
background check identical to the background check conducted in
connection with the purchase of a firearm from a licensed gun dealer.
2) Unless the person is prohibited by law from possessing a firearm,
immediately register the assault weapon with the [insert appropriate law
enforcement agency] pursuant to regulations adopted for such purpose
by [insert appropriate law enforcement agency].
3) Safely and securely store the assault weapon pursuant to regulations
adopted for such purpose by [insert appropriate law enforcement
agency]. The [insert appropriate law enforcement agency] may, no
more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with
this subsection.
4) Annually renew both the registration and the background check.
5) Possess the assault weapon only on property owned or immediately
controlled by the person, or while engaged in the legal use of the assault
weapon at a duly licensed firing range, or while traveling to or from either
of these locations for the purpose of engaging in the legal use of the assault weapon, provided that the assault weapon is stored unloaded and
in a separate locked container during transport.
g) The [insert appropriate law enforcement agency] may charge a fee for each
registration and for each registration renewal pursuant to section (e). However,
such fee may not exceed the costs incurred by the [insert appropriate law
enforcement agency] in administering the registration program established
under subsection (e).

Section 4: Penalties
a) Any person convicted of violating subsection (a) or subsection (b) of section (3)
of this Act shall be guilty of a felony.
b) Any person convicted of violating subsection (e) of section (3) of this Act shall be
guilty of a felony. Any such violation shall also result in the immediate revocation
of the registration of every assault weapon registered to such person.

Notice how we have to pay every year to keep our property:fire: Also, they make no definition of "Safe and Secure Storage" but if you violate it you are guilty of a felony. Oh yeah, the police can also "inspect" your storage facility (i.e. home) once a year whenever they feel like it. :cuss:

SomeKid
August 25, 2006, 03:35 PM
b)According to FBI data, between 1998 and 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty was killed with an assault weapon.

Does anyone know, truth or BS? Somehow, I expect that number to be wrong. The funny part is, the AWB was in effect during the time frame.

Phetro
August 25, 2006, 03:38 PM
It's BS. Nice try, leftists!

JJpdxpinkpistols
August 25, 2006, 04:25 PM
I think this is the most telling page on the site:

http://action.csgv.org/action/results.asp

last entry: 2004. Nulified in 2006.

Low-Sci
August 25, 2006, 04:53 PM
"1 in 5 law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty were killed with assault weapons..."

And how many LEOs total does that come to that were killed in the line of duty, and how many total were killed with "assault weapons?"

Because if the number is small on both end, any legal action is totally unwarranted.

And this is between 1998 and 2001, when the Clinton AWB was in full effect. How does it compare to a similar time period before the AWB was in effect? How does it compare to a time period after the Clinton AWB?

If in all cases the time periods have about the same level of assault weapons violence, then its pretty much official that the AWB had no legitimate, considerable effect on assault weapons violence. From what I understand, that turns out to be exactly the case. There was something like a 3% drop in gun-related violent crime for the duration of the Clinton AWB, which isn't significant.

Now couple that with the drops in violent crime where states allow CCW. Those drops are consistent and very significant.

So why is it so hard for the left to understand that regulating types of firearms has no effect, but allowing law-abiding citizens to provide for their own common defense has a huge effect?

JJpdxpinkpistols
August 25, 2006, 04:54 PM
Does anyone know, truth or BS?

Utter BS.

I do not want to minimize the risk of death for law enforcement folks, and even 1 killed in the line of duty is too many, and the most dangerous thing for officers is indeed gunfire (52 out of 156 or 33%).

However the numbers break out the following way:

Unidentified gun: 20
Handgun: 18
Officer issued weapons: 8 (mostly handguns, from the annectdotal accounts)
Rifle: 1 (an SKS)
Shotgun: 4
Semi-auto Rifle: 1

http://www.odmp.org/year.php?year=2005

Now, if 1 in 5 of these 53 officers KIA were from a semi-auto rifle, I can betcha they would have noted this. That would be 10.6 officers KIA with a semi-auto rifle.

Interestingly, the 2nd most common cause of death for Police Officers is Driving Accidents--33 KIA in 2005 (21% overall). 3rd is heart attacks--17 (10% overall).

This is nothing but a form letter. Fill in your state, name, and you too can present this to some legislator that is interested in getting idiots to vote for them. Rest assured that idiots won't do the above number crunching.

HCfan
August 25, 2006, 05:30 PM
If you read on how it went down in England, alot of the same verbage is in this.

Especially the safe storage. Many lost their firearms with this one. Also, they had to have one key to the safe and no one else could have a key or know the combo.

Basically, this is the same camel that stuck it's nose in the tent in England. I suspect they want the same events as happened there to happen here.

I believe that P-95 is from England, he would have more information than I on how it went down.

DWARREN123
August 25, 2006, 10:36 PM
Definition of an assault rifle;
Rifle you assault the enemy position with, better be an automatic!

Prince Yamato
August 25, 2006, 11:07 PM
you excluded the final clause of that ban.

Upon implementation of said ban, all gun grabbers are cordially invited to "lech mir im arsch".

progunner1957
August 26, 2006, 11:41 AM
Section 3: Definitions.
1) The term “assault weapon” shall mean:
a) Any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump-action rifle that is capable of
accepting a detachable magazine and that also possesses any of the following:

Blah, blah, blah...

c) Any semiautomatic pistol, or any semiautomatic, center-fire rifle with a fixed
magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
So there you are, folks: ANY semiauto pistol made is an "assault weapon." Ban them all!!

Two words: MOLON LAVE.:evil:

Cromlech
August 26, 2006, 12:11 PM
b) Any pistol that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine at any location
outside of the pistol grip;

Unless it was a bullpup design pistol, having the magazine housing forward of the pistol grip would leave less room for a decent sized barrel.

So I guess they are pretty much judging them by their 'evil looking' factor.

Or would a shorter barrel make it a street sweeper? :rolleyes:

G36-UK
August 26, 2006, 03:50 PM
How about our own "sensible" law?

Something along the lines of "As of the day this bill goes into effect, any person who wrote or co-sponsored any type of weapons ban shall be automaticly found guilty of Treason, and given the maximun sentence for that offense.

The passed laws restricting firearms are henceforth null and void."

You could call it something like the "Common Sense in Firearms Legislation Act".

G36-UK
August 26, 2006, 03:50 PM
Sorry, pushed the wrong button.

Cromlech
August 26, 2006, 04:26 PM
Something along the lines of "As of the day this bill goes into effect, any person who wrote or co-sponsored any type of weapons ban shall be automaticly found guilty of Treason, and given the maximun sentence for that offense.

These days the maximum sentence is life imprisonment, but before it could have been 'Hung, Drawn, and Quartered'. :D

Coronach
August 26, 2006, 04:44 PM
b)According to FBI data, between 1998 and 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty was killed with an assault weapon.Does anyone know, truth or BS?It is BS, but not in the way you might think. If I recall correctly (I'm speaking off the cuff, here), this same sort of statistic was bandied about during the dark years of the AWB. It involved a Clintonian-style redefinition of the term "assault weapon". The standard "accepted" definition of Assault Weapon, at the time, was the one used in the AWB. However, the promulgator of that statistic pulled a fast one and included semi-auto handguns in their own little pet definition, then spewed forth that statistic without making it plain that the definition they used was not the "standard" one. Ergo, the death of a cop killed by a Jennings 9mm ghetto blaster was used to support legislation that restricted bayonet lugs on AR15s.

I'm sure in an alternative universe that makes sense, but it sure doesn't in this one. It is akin to the logical chicanery present in the AWB as a whole; people see pictures of guns that look like machine guns, the law has the term "assault" like "assult rifle" in it, and they think "gee, they're tlking about banning machine guns and assault rifles".

Again, I am speaking off the cuff on this one, so don't take it too far without verification.

Mike

Coronach
August 26, 2006, 04:47 PM
Ironically, that might actually be accurate, using the all-encompassing definition of AW they put forth in their current push. 1-in-5 killed with a semi-auto handgun? Yeah, maybe.

Mike

Shield529
August 26, 2006, 05:01 PM
DC has passed strong laws that have kept its citizens safe. Don't let Congress, which doesn't even have a voting DC representative, change the laws that elected DC officials have passed.

:what:

This quote from thier site should tell you all you need to know about thier honesty.

I also would reason that 4 out of 5 murdered officers are killed by repeat felons. I would prefer we ban those.

Coronach
August 26, 2006, 05:09 PM
You know? I bet that 4 out of 5 murder victims in general are murdered by repeat felons. I completely agree with your logic.

DC is a case study in why gun control will not work. You'd think they'd be trying to distance themselves from that glaring example of gun control failure.

Mike

the pistolero
August 26, 2006, 09:48 PM
This quote from thier site should tell you all you need to know about thier honesty.

Indeed, that and the fact that this organization (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence) was formerly known as the Coalition to Ban Handguns.

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