Ex post facto MG ban, letter to Len Savage


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Ian
August 26, 2006, 06:50 PM
I did a search and didn't see this anywhere. If it's a duplicate, I apologize.

Len Savage has been back and forth with the ATF a bunch in the last couple years, and is working with JPFO to produce a documentary revealing the problems with the agency.

His most recent encounter appears to be over his company's "BM-3000", an RPK redesigned to use a full auto M11/9 receiver as a fire control group. The idea is that the RPK components don't constitute a function gun, and thus aren't affected by the NFA (much like AR uppers). But a person can buy a legal M11/9 for next to nothing by NFA standards, attach it to the upper assembly, and have a full-auto belt-fed for a fraction of the cost of a real RPK. Pretty cool, huh?

Well, he submitted one to the ATF, and in July 2005 got a letter back from them stipulating that his BM-3000 was not a gun or machinegun. So, he could sell them without serial numbers, records, of FFL/ATF involvement. Cool.

Then in April of this year, he got another letter from them saying that they'd changed their minds, and the BM-3000 is a machinegun. Because it "facilitates" the firing of more than one round per trigger pull.

Savage replied courteously, acknowledging their change, and asked what this meant for people who had bought BM-3000s in the year or so when they were declared legal. ATF told him on August 9th that all those BM-300s are now considered illegal machineguns, and must be abandoned to the police. And that Savage had to provide them with names and addresses of anyone who bought one (something Savage had no legal requirement to keep on record).

Take a look at the correspondence here: http://www.autochart.com/savageBM3000.htm

(It's only a handful of pages total, and easy - though frightening - reading). If this new ATF maneuver stands, they would assume the power to reclassify anything at any time, based on a radically different standard of what constitutes a machinegun.

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Zedicus
August 26, 2006, 09:36 PM
Old news, but still good to get it out.

what I want to know is when the Pro 2A community's are going to quit sitting on their hands & get behind an Organized effort to get the BATFE Permanently Disbanded and get many if not all of the BS laws they love to shove down our throats done away with.:cuss:

rock jock
August 26, 2006, 09:45 PM
Allright, let's play devils advocate here. Someone at the ATF screwed up the first time, but this fact is NOT going to keep them from enforcing NFA rules. I agree that it is not Mr. Savage's responsibility to provide names which he was never obligated to keep track of. Instead, the ATF should mount an ad campiagn in publications like SGN letting everone know that the parts are illegal, and the ATF will reimburse individuals once they are turned in.

That is probably the most sensible solution to an otherwise non-sensible set of laws.

makarova
August 26, 2006, 10:21 PM
Did you buy that stuff or do you grow your own? I suggest you review the JFPO Website and then get back to us about that sensible solution.

Zedicus
August 26, 2006, 10:48 PM
Hey Rock, Did you buy that stuff or do you grow your own? I suggest you review the JFPO Website and then get back to us about that sensible solution.

+1

0007
August 27, 2006, 04:36 PM
I suspect that this action is probably payback for his havinjg bested this agency in court a couple of times.

308nato
August 27, 2006, 10:35 PM
makarova

I just went to the JPFO web site and reading some of there stuff is
a little scary especialy the part about the 1968 gun control act being
partialy drawn from Nazi law . I think we need to help them with there plans
for BATF.

makarova
August 27, 2006, 11:12 PM
I am a member and am sending what little cash I can spare these days.

Zedicus
August 28, 2006, 12:41 AM
You are Barely Scratching the Surface, for more Info read these Talk Radio Interview Transcripts or Listen to the MP3's.

(To download Mp3's Right Click on the link and Select Save as, then save it where you want to on your computer.)

Experiences with the BATFE : an interview with Len Savage (Transcript) (http://jpfo.org/tta051101.htm)
Experiences with the BATFE : an interview with Len Savage (Mp3 28 minutes, 9.5MB) (http://jpfo.org/tta051101.mp3)

Experiences with the BATFE Part II: an update with Len Savage (Transcript) (http://jpfo.org/tta060508.htm)
Experiences with the BATFE Part II: an update with Len Savage (Mp3 24 minutes, 8.2MB) (http://jpfo.org/TTA20060508.mp3)

Then Try this one about the unwarranted BATFE Raid on KT Ordanance

Interview with Richard Celata: Owner of KT Ordnance (Transcript) (http://jpfo.org/tta060714.htm)
Interview with Richard Celata: Owner of KT Ordnance (Mp3 24 minutes, 8.2MB) (http://jpfo.org/tta060714.mp3)

After you finish with these, Visit www.atfabuse.com for even more info including PDF's of Hearings against the BATFE.

Note: I use the Full Abbreviation "BATFE" for the sole reason that the BATFE Hate it and prefer ATF. :evil:

coltrane679
August 28, 2006, 02:06 PM
I knew the BAFTE was going to run crazy over our rights when Gore won in 2000.

Oh wait....

saltydog
August 28, 2006, 07:39 PM
I knew the BAFTE was going to run crazy over our rights when Gore won in 2000. Oh wait....

Be carefull. The "other side" doesn't want that one to get out of the bag.

:what:

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