Brand Quality?


August 27, 2006, 02:34 PM
Have been listening to pals debating Spanish versus Italian black powder rifle and pistol manufacturers, so here's your chance to chime in! What brands are currently the best...and not-so-good?:D

Favorite sources?

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August 27, 2006, 02:48 PM
Tryin ta stir tha pot is ya? :)

August 27, 2006, 05:57 PM
Italian - every time.

August 27, 2006, 06:18 PM
I'll second the vote for Italian. Although I do not own any Italian muzzleloaders, if give the choice between the two it would be Italian. I can see myself getting a Pedersoli 10 guage double in the future for waterfowl and possibly turkey.

August 27, 2006, 06:51 PM
for Italian....

It seems that the quality of Pietta arms is getting higher and higher......
whilst I am hearing more and more complaints about 'unfinished' Uberti's.
:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

August 27, 2006, 07:19 PM
I owned a couple of Spanish made percussion muzzle loaders, one rifle and one single shot horse pistol, back in the 60s. They were really pretty much junk but I still had a good time messing around with them. Since then, all my stuff has been of Italian manufacture. Based on my experience, I'd have to say the Italian made replicas are better. Since I haven't seen anything made in Spain since the 60s, my opinion may be worth exactly what it costs. One thing I do know about the Italian made offerings is that there is or can be a very wide gap in quality depending on when and by whom a piece is made. I will never, ever, buy anything made by Palmetto! The Spanish guns I had were better than the Palmetto I got from (and sent back to) Dixie Gun Works.


August 27, 2006, 09:45 PM

August 27, 2006, 10:08 PM
The Italian guns are generally quite good. The Piettas have been improving in quality and Uberti's are usually very good. Pedersoli has an awesome reputation for quality. I have an old Italian double barrel pistol made in the 60's (Corsair .44) that has outstanding metal and craftsmanship. Investarms rifles are quite good too. Their Hawken is pretty close to the T/C version as far as workmanship and accuracy.

Loyalist Dave
September 4, 2006, 07:29 PM
New Italian. Some of the vintage stuff had problems with the locks. I've seen some Pedersoli frizzens that were improperly hardened, mainsprings that were cracked or improperly tempered, but they were on 30 year old locks. I like the Cabela's Blue Ridge Hunter flintlock made by Pedersoli. I love my Pedersoli 20 ga. caplock S x S.

The Spanish barrels I have seen shoot very well, but the Spanish locks SUCK! They work fine but wear out WAY too soon. Replacement parts, forget about it.


September 13, 2006, 11:38 PM
You are just the fella I'm lookin for. I got this thing from my granpa about 20 years ago. It says 44 but it shoots patched 40. I cant hit crap with it. Not even paper at 25 ft. tried loads from 20gr up to 40gr. .40 (.395)hornady swagged lead balls. can you get better with yours? The pistol is near mint.

I got this pic from another site.

Any ideas on how to do better?
thanks for your help and time.

September 14, 2006, 12:24 AM
I have an Older CVA .58 cal Zouave 1863 Remington the I've been shooting for about 20 years ... still like new never had a problem. accurate with me shootin' it to 300yards. I can't complain about this Spanish made rifle, don't know about the new ones or Revs.
But I would go Italian on all the new stuff. I don't have an interest in any in-lines so can't really comment on them.

September 14, 2006, 09:56 AM
I`ve had good luck with the Spanish made guns back when all i did with them was sight it in and deer hunt ..thats all .. now i am an active member of 2 black powder clubs ...and i can tell ya if your gonna shoot one alot the Spanish made guns won`t hold up to the riggors of war Itilian mades are ok ..and the invest arms and Lyman guns you can buy a Greem mountain for that just drops right in .. then you have a better gun for sure ...but the Itilian barrel that comes on there will last you a while . Something i found by mistake ..on the Invest Arms Hawken rifle ..the parts like lock ..triggers and barrel are just T/C copys and the T/C parts will fit .. my favorite shooter is an InvestArms Hawken with all T/C parts added and a Green Mountain barrel .. lol . the good stuff .

September 15, 2006, 12:57 AM
Since Spanish guns are often the most affordable, they are a great value if a person wants to increase the quantity and variety of guns and calibers in their collection without spending a ton of money.
While the Italian guns often have nicer wood, workmanship and performance, there seem to be lemons spread among every manufacturer and model. The more expensive guns usually have less defects, but they do occur and can sour a purchase.
TC's have the best new and used life time warranty, but they don't seem to produce as wide of a variety of popular traditional models. There are quite a few on the used market which can be favorably compared against the price of a new Spanish gun.
I've been largely satisfied with Traditions caplocks as opposed to CVA's, and I think that most American inlines shoot better than most imports.
Dollar for dollar, the American guns are probably the best shooting value overall, but the Italians seem to have a lot more models and stylish features, which the Spanish like to try to replicate at a more affordable price, but often sacrificing quality in the process. Surprisingly though, some Spanish models do offer relatively excellent shooting performance and accuracy.

September 23, 2006, 08:13 PM
Warhammer, sorry I didn't reply sooner. I sent you a PM.

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