Maryland Stopping Wal Mart Gun Sales?


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marlin.357
August 28, 2006, 01:29 PM
Even if you hate Wal-Mart you may find this interesting....

They were inventorying the guns in the local Wal Mart today. Asked them if the rumor I heard that they were going to stop selling guns after September. Was told they were, I commented that I felt that Wal Mart was making a mistake. According to the Wal Mart employees Maryland is requiring them to stop!!!

According to the employees, Maryland, specifically Governor Erlich, is requiring them to stop gun sales in certain stores. I've never heard of this requirement has anyone else?

I've only bought one gun from them, but I always cruise the guns and ammo when I'm in there, and frankly I'll go less often if there is nothing to look at.

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zeke1312
August 28, 2006, 02:09 PM
I think the real gun issue for Wal*Mart is moving their image as a entry level red neck store to a more Target oriented organization. They are also up scaling woman's clothing. Wal*Mart wants/needs the image for todays "touchy feely" market. They are backing out of the market starting at the least profitable stores, then move to other stores. Sporting Goods will get out of guns and replace them with more treadmills, yoga mats, lawn tennis, etc. Trust me.

Thanks for shopping with us and have a nice day!:)

bnkrazy
August 28, 2006, 02:45 PM
They took the gun cases out of my local WM a few months ago. They still sell ammo though, and said they would continue. No more guns (long or handguns) though.

m0ntels
August 28, 2006, 02:48 PM
Sporting Goods will get out of guns and replace them with more treadmills, yoga mats, lawn tennis, etc. Trust me.

Already being done around here in gun-loving PA.

Randy

Tommygunn
August 28, 2006, 03:06 PM
I have heard that some Wal Mart stores will stop selling guns if they don't sell enough to make carrying them worthwhile. Some Wal Marts have been caught messing up the paperwork, due to (apparantly) some individual employees not being well informed about how it needs to be done.
I don't believe every Wal Mart will drop firearms from their inventory, but just some. Of course this won't be of any comfort to those most effected.
I did buy one rifle from Wal Mart, a Remington 700 in .30-'06 a number of years ago when I worked there.

firesafety3
August 28, 2006, 03:45 PM
Some WalMarts down here in Louisiana have already stopped selling guns. I specifically asked why and the reply I got was that "corporate" decided the time involved in the paperwork and possible mistakes in handling were not worth stocking the guns.

They are still stocking ammo and accessories, but no guns.

There was a time last year where they weren't selling ammo, either. I was going to shoot a USPSA match and needed some last minute .40 WWB Value Pack and could reach out and touch it but they said everything was "on hold" until they got clarification from the WalMart gurus whether they would stop selling guns and ammo or just guns.

I don't think they are taking the KMart stance but it is still a bit inconvenient.

And in a note of consistency, the WalMart on the west side of town is considered in the Texas "district" and is fully stocked with shotguns, rifles, and muzzleloaders. Go figure.

MikeH
August 28, 2006, 03:49 PM
WalMart at Germantown got rid of guns at least over a year ago. Now they got rid of nearly all shooting supplies. I won't be surprised if ammo goes next.

Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
August 28, 2006, 03:59 PM
I'm not at all surprised, and that is sad.

AirForceShooter
August 28, 2006, 04:01 PM
I'm not sure the State of Maryland had anything to do with it.

AFS

Lupinus
August 28, 2006, 04:15 PM
just shifting blame

Roadwild17
August 28, 2006, 04:41 PM
One local wally world only has black-powder and a "limited" selection of ammo, the other is what wallmart should look like, the racks overflowing with arms.

Creeping Incrementalism
August 28, 2006, 05:01 PM
WalMart at Germantown got rid of guns at least over a year ago. Now they got rid of nearly all shooting supplies. I won't be surprised if ammo goes next

The order it worked in the Bay Area was first, all guns went, then all ammo went simultaneous with other shooting supplies being reduced reduced by about 1/3 to 1/2.

To anyone who says it is a business decision, the reason firearms are losing profitability is because of increases in cost caused by anti- governments.

American By Blood
August 28, 2006, 05:22 PM
The MD state govt, and specifically Governor Ehrlich, cannot currently compel Wal Mart to stop selling guns. That would require a new law to have been passed. As far as I know, that did not happen.

What's likely going on is a convergence of factors. Wal Mart wants to scale up it's image a bit (the right is losing the kulturkampf, ergo guns are seen as hopelessly plebian), most of their empolyees likely could not properly instruct people on filling out a 4473 and were therefore racking up fines left and right, and eliminating firearms is a way they can claim to be "responsible corporate citizens" next time a horde of Michael Moore regurgitating asshats comes knocking.

Spot77
August 28, 2006, 06:09 PM
Walmart recruited an upper management type from Target, thus the shift away from guns. This is from my father in law who works for Walmart.

Guns have rarely been a profitable measure for Walmart in MD, so I can see why they'd want the floor space for more profitable items.

Doesn't really bother me much. But if they stop ammo sales......:cuss:

dragongoddess
August 28, 2006, 06:20 PM
If they are stopping sales in Louisiana I fell Texas cannot be far behind. Guess I'll pop over to mine and start stocking up on 45,357and .44 ammo. Fools. Don't they know people with money to spend on guns and ammo have enough to buy anything in the store. It is after all an expensive habit/hobby.

ralphie98
August 28, 2006, 06:31 PM
the things that I've read point to Wal-Mart deciding that gun/ammo sales in certain areas aren't worth it. We have a couple wal-marts that still sell guns and ammo, but I was at another one on the other side of town and couldn't find any ammo there.... area sales probably can't support the cost/hassle of carrying gun stuff.

zeke1312
August 28, 2006, 06:33 PM
OK, it's my turn. I work at a Wal*Mart in the Sporting Goods Dept. I will relate my experience at the two stores I've worked at.

Employees assigned to the SG dept are required to pass (100%) a course on how to fill out an FFL form #4473.

When a gun sale is made and the customer, then employee fills out the form, a manager uses a plastic overlay that checks all critical form entries for error.

Gun sales in our store are to be made only by those who have passed the CBL. Some W*M CBLs are a breeze to take. The 4473 CBL is not, take it from one who knows. The CBL covers other areas of ATF requirements when selling guns, not just the 4473.

Others may have first hand experienced something else, it doesn't happen here. Customers wanting to purchase a gun from W*M and do not feel the sales person is up to speed needs to ask for a manager. If that does not work to your satisfaction walk out. Go to Scheels, Cabelas, yada, yada.

Thank you for shopping at Wal*Mart and have a nice day.:)

zoom6zoom
August 28, 2006, 06:40 PM
I think it's stupid that a store named Target won't sell guns!

Impala
August 28, 2006, 06:49 PM
No more guns in my wal-mart either.
No cleaning supplies or cases to boot. I live in central Florida.
They still sell ammo though, concealed behind a counter amongst the 2 1/2 aisles of fishing crap.
Kinda pisses me off really, I bought two guns from them last year.

johnny blaze
August 28, 2006, 06:49 PM
Walmart is not my favorite store. There are plenty of other places to buy guns.
They definately are trying to establish themselves as a trendy store.
I think they should remember who made them what they are.
I checked the other day and they had raised rifle ammo 2.00 to 3.50 a box (depending on how many rounds are in the box, 20 or 40). They had also raised pistol ammo.
I can do just as good or better somewhere else.

mp510
August 28, 2006, 06:51 PM
I think it's stupid that a store named Target won't sell guns!
At one point, back when target was just a few stores, they did. IIRC, they had an awful time with the books, and let something like 180 guns go without being logged into the books, or being papered properly.

George S.
August 28, 2006, 06:54 PM
The issue with some Wal-Mart strores no longer selling guns has been discussed ad nauseum here and on many other gun forums. Wal-Mart made a business decision to stop carrying products (guns) where the cost of the overhead, storage, security, paperwork and flooring exceeds any profit made.

Think about a store having an inventory of say 40 to 50 rifles and shotguns. They are not selling so Wal-Mart is not making money as they had to buy them up front. Those guns are taking up space in the back and the display cabinets are taking up space on the floor. Only certain "Associates" can access the storage area and go thru the sales procedure. That takes special training and takes those people away from the floor and therefore they aren't making money for W-W.

Their public statement regarding this policy was pretty clear as to motive. It was simply a financial decision. Wal-Mart still sells firearms at 600 of their stores and those are the stores that make a profit on gun sales.

It's not a political decision, it's not a forced move by anti-gunners, it's not something forced by a state, county or city, it's just Wally World not making money at stores where guns do not sell. So they took them out.

Stauble
August 28, 2006, 07:08 PM
No more guns in my wal-mart either.
No cleaning supplies or cases to boot. I live in central Florida.

i was at a wal-mart in gainesville bout a month ago and they had a wonderful gun selection, with at least 20 on display. they also had boxes of 250 shot gun shells on display for any one to take (not behind the counter.)

i was so impressed with their selection that i bought a remington hat from there to remember the occasion:D

however my own wal-mart down here has stopped selling guns:banghead:

Norton
August 28, 2006, 07:21 PM
marlin.357,

What Wal Mart were you at? I may go and do some bottom feeding.....the last time one closed out their inventory they lowered the price so much that I'm surprised that they made any money on them.

Hawkmoon
August 29, 2006, 12:03 AM
They were inventorying the guns in the local Wal Mart today. Asked them if the rumor I heard that they were going to stop selling guns after September. Was told they were, I commented that I felt that Wal Mart was making a mistake. According to the Wal Mart employees Maryland is requiring them to stop!!!

According to the employees, Maryland, specifically Governor Erlich, is requiring them to stop gun sales in certain stores. I've never heard of this requirement has anyone else?
Bovine excrement.

Where ya been hidin' lately? The Wally Worlds in my neck of the woods all stopped selling firearms months ago, and it wasn't because the State asked them to. It's because Wally World didn't train their people well enough, and several sales in several stores ran afoul of the BATF&E, so the wonks at corporate HQ decided the amount they make on gun sales isn't worth the potential liability.

Corporate decision. It's happening all across America, Mate.

FTF
August 29, 2006, 12:12 AM
You can order guns from the walmart online store to whatever local walmart actually stocks them... if there are any.

I can't blame them for getting out of the gun game. Can you imagine the bad press and stigma if the ATFE decided to get bucwild on them? You have 21 year old minimum wage peeps doing the 4773. Hell, the ATFE revokes licenses as a practical examination for recruits. It's not Wally worlds fault.. it's ours.... or more directly the ATFE, like we appoint any of them.

I hope they don't stop selling ammo, but they might as well. Both my local WWs have guns AND ammo and just getting someone to help you is a chore. "We need an associate in sporting goods for an ammuntion purchase"... good lord. No thanks. Is this 9mm value pack for a pistol? Get out of my way, I'm out. I would rather buy from a gun store than save 2 bucks at wally world. Not to mention the demon from hell looks you get if the greeter decides to check your receipts.

I walked in a good sized local gun store recently. 1000rds of .223, 200 rds of .45, 500rds of 9mm.. nobody batted an eye. It's not illegal for crying out loud. Wallyworld always makes me think I'm doing something wrong. F them.

zeke1312
August 29, 2006, 12:39 AM
More W*M bashing. Wow, get over it and shop somewhere else. It'll lower your blood pressure. What do you care if the "kid" doesn't know the answer to your question? You're supposed to be the gun expert. Pay him the wage scale of say Cabelas, W*M hires trained, knowlegable people, and raise their prices to pay for the "expertise". I've seen my share of cocky S.O.B gun owners that shop at W*M with tempers that one wonders if they are a danger to society.

Thanks for shopping with us and have a nice day!:)

Brad84cnc
August 29, 2006, 02:50 AM
Stauble, which Walmart were you at in Gainesville? I try my best to keep the guns and ammo stocked and hopefully we won't stop selling either one.

marlin.357
August 29, 2006, 06:40 AM
I'm well aware that Wal Mart is getting out of the gun business in "unprofitable" locations, but I thought rural southern Maryland (California, MD Store) would still be profitable. They are keeping gun sales in LaPlata MD which is Closer to the DC burbs, go figure?

Jim K
August 29, 2006, 04:16 PM
Now might be a good time to consider that keeping real gun dealers in business is more important than saving a whole dollar buying at a big chain store. Wal-Mart stocked guns because they made money on them; they never cared one whit about gun rights or any other factor except profit. When the hassle involved in selling guns outweighed the profit factor, they dumped them, just like any other losing product line.

Now is the time to forget the "discount" chains and patronize local dealers who care about guns and want to keep you happy.

Jim

MudPuppy
August 29, 2006, 06:42 PM
It seems awful hard to hunt anymore and justify buying that rifle.

I would love to take my kids deer hunting, but a thousand plus for the lease is a hard sell for the wife. I think that's a bigger reason for Walmart's decision.

Nathan Williams
August 29, 2006, 06:58 PM
I think it's stupid that a store named Target won't sell guns!
Too much temptation from the giant target sign in the parking lot :neener:

Anyway we have two Chinamarts here within 30min of the house. One in a highly poulated area, they sell ammo without any dirty looks (its all in your head), gun cases, targets, and all other types of shooting supplies. Just no guns. The neat thing about this store is the Olin/Winchester manufactuing plant is only a few blocks away. The other W-W is a little farther from me. it is in a rual community and has a massive selection of guns on hand and anything you want can be ordered from their master catalog. I think it just has to do with where they are profitable to sell. And shotgun shells have never been behind the counter at either.

U.S.SFC_RET
August 29, 2006, 08:22 PM
For all of you NON MARYLANDERS out there. This State discourages the UNHOLY proliferation of any mansavin, plinkin or what have you any type of firearm. Firearms are BAD. Politicians are GOOD.
This is a lay down and die State for the most part. Few people stick up for their RBKA rights here.
I like this state and it's people but their close proximity to Megalopolis gives cause for knee jerk reaction when it comes to the voting booth.

akodo
August 29, 2006, 10:46 PM
about 5 years back walmart wanted to build a store in a lower income area of st. paul when an old sears (iirc)closed a while back and no retailer had really filled the void. (kmart tried but failed)

one thing the local politicians really created a stink about was walmart selling guns, so they agreed not to sell guns from that location. I believe the deal fell through for some other reason.

so yes, walmart is taking guns out due to sales issues as well as political pressure

308nato
August 29, 2006, 11:08 PM
spot77, zoom6zoom

Target is a French owned company need I say more.

monsternav
August 29, 2006, 11:44 PM
marlin.357, are you saying the California Wal-Mart is stopping selling guns? I need to save some money and wait for the sale! I hope they keep selling ammo. Gotta feed the 1911 habit.

I've only bought one rifle from W-W. The rest were from local guys or with my C&R. Nothing against W-W really, I just prefer to get guns from a gun store (call me weird). I also buy books from a bookstore, not W-W. I prefer the better (usually) service and knowledge of specialized stores.

marlin.357
August 30, 2006, 07:48 AM
monsternav, Yep the California (Maryland) store is getting out of the gun business, will still be selling ammo as far as I know. The employees I spoke with believe, or have been told, that it is a state decision (specifically the governor) not a WM decision.

Gun store? Used to be Sears, Montgomery Ward, Western Auto, the department store, the hardware store, the sporting goods store (!) and the old county stores were gun stores! Could even by ammo at many rural gas stations.

........and WM used to sell mil-surp, and handguns too! (Rant mode off! :D )

Norton
August 30, 2006, 08:25 AM
The employees I spoke with believe, or have been told, that it is a state decision (specifically the governor) not a WM decision

They are wrong. The Cambridge store had the same sort of belief when it came to ammo sales and writing down your personal information in a bound book that had the seal of MD printed on the front of it.

I called the guy on it and he said "State of MD requires it". I went all of the way up to Attorney General's office before getting an answer that confirmed it was a voluntary program.

blindndead
August 30, 2006, 08:39 AM
The 2 Wal mart's near me Iin MA where I have bought my first firearm marlin 22 stopped selling ammo and guns now. Bummer

Nathan Williams
August 30, 2006, 03:33 PM
Could even by ammo at many rural gas stations

Ah the good old days. Up untill about 4 years ago there was a gas station down the road that did this till it sold to new owners. They never had anything but shotgun shells, and .22 rounds though. Cant complain I got a hell of a buy on their remaining stock just before they switched hands :neener: .

bender
August 30, 2006, 03:42 PM
I'm not a big w-m shopper so I don't get in there that often. I went to the nearby w-m a couple weeks ago to look at guns... and they told me they don't sell them anymore. I was surprised at the time.

KD5NRH
August 30, 2006, 05:32 PM
I just get tired of any merchant claiming that their new policy is dictated by law when in reality no such law exists. I used to get this from banks a lot when I was working for a bank. At the time, since part of my job involved maintaining an intranet page detailing our policies and any relevant state or federal laws, I could quote most of the laws that affected the way a teller or bank officer could do almost anything off the top of my head. Other banks' managers hated that.

AVESguy
August 30, 2006, 08:54 PM
The nearest established local Wal Mart (about two or three years old) sells guns and ammo and knives. A new Wal Mart opened here (Palm Beach County FL) closer to home, this month, and they carry ammo only. No knives or guns.

KWM
August 30, 2006, 10:05 PM
I live in Western MD and have 4 Walmarts (2 MD, 2 PA) within 30 miles in each direction from my house. I checked with all of them and they all said that they will continue to sell firearms. I have only purchased 4 firearms from Walmart, but like a lot of the other posts I always cruise the sporting goods to see what guns are on display, and I purchase a great deal of my ammo from them. The real problem that I see is that by taking the firearms out of the stores people (nongun people) are not exposed to seeing firearms. Young people that have no guns at home can at least see what they look like and may decide that when they are of age to purchase a gun at Walmart. Of course I realize that Walmart is in the gun business for the money and not a social program or to support a pro gun cause. Wasn't it only a few years ago that Walmart supported some of the hunting shows on OLN? The times they are a changing...

The Guy
August 31, 2006, 12:16 AM
Who really cares?

I, for one, don't.

I am not rich or even well off, but I DON'T shop at any x-mart store.

Especially for firearms.

Because the big x-mart stores give me no service, help, or even nice people to deal with.

Especially for firearms.

Your store may be different, but your store is an exception. I will continue to pay a few bucks more with the small shop guys who say "Hi, -----, how have you been," and "how's the family," and other such niceitys. It may not amount to much, but it matters to me.

Spot77
August 31, 2006, 07:18 AM
The real problem that I see is that by taking the firearms out of the stores people (nongun people) are not exposed to seeing firearms.

KWM, that's probably one of the best points made in this thread.

While many of US don't like Walmart, Walmart might be the only chance many people have to be exposed to firearms on a regular basis.

TrapdoorBilly
August 31, 2006, 07:35 AM
WAL*MART -- BARF.

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