WHat do you think of the perennial 9vs40vs45 debates?


January 4, 2003, 08:49 PM
I think it is as much fun as watching a demolition derby. I could read the multiple threads and thousands of posts and still not know what the hell is going on. Sometimes ther threads go off somewhere.................

I still love to read them though.

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January 4, 2003, 09:01 PM
A hornet's nest if there ever was one. :D

Ok, there's another equally intense debate topic: 1911 vs Glocks and other variants and combinations.

Totally enjoy participatng in them... :D:D:D

4v50 Gary
January 4, 2003, 10:34 PM
What do I think? Good to sell magazines. Me, I liked that last issue of SWAT. Great interview with Niel Morris. Can't wait for the 2nd installment. It's the stuff that The Tactical Rifle use to have before it became The Accurate Rifle.

Mike Irwin
January 4, 2003, 10:40 PM

January 4, 2003, 10:42 PM
Just wait until the new .50 S&W comes out at the SHOT show in February... then we can have a .41 Magnum vs. .44 Magnum vs. .45 Colt vs. .454 Casull vs. .475 Linebaugh vs. .480 Ruger vs. .500 Linebaugh vs. .50 S&W thread!!! I got your 9mm. vs. .45 ACP thread right there! :neener:

January 4, 2003, 10:49 PM
I think it's interesting that everyone seems to have a strong opinion on which is 'best' though very few have really have any first hand experience on what really works best.

Having said that, of course, there are lots and lots of people that know exactly how well the 45 ACP works when launched from the 1911A1 platform. ;)

January 4, 2003, 10:53 PM
I like the 9mm, and the 45, and will carry either.

But I know in my heart the debate over which is better ended in 1911.

January 4, 2003, 11:02 PM
I like the debates.

Sometimes they're interesting, and I never feel compelled to keep reading when they're not due to some insane hope of finding a "new" fact buried deep down in them.

2nd Amendment
January 4, 2003, 11:09 PM
Entertainment for idle hours. That being said I'll stick with a 1911 in .45, thank y'all very much. :D

January 4, 2003, 11:14 PM

January 4, 2003, 11:14 PM
I am pretty sure that if I was shot twice in the chest with any of the three:

9mm - .40S&W - .45ACP

I would fall over and not get up on my own:D

So what is the debate about??


BTW I carry .40

January 4, 2003, 11:18 PM
Wow my first post and I am sure this will end all debates. Go with the one that you can hit your target with. My summer carry gun is a walterppks 380 and my winter gun is a colt gov 45 .

January 4, 2003, 11:24 PM
I'm happy as long as the guy next to me is packin heat. Doesn't matter what caliber or type of weapon. Just that he has one.

I was at the gunshop the other day and a guy was buying a NAA mini .22 revolver. Me with my .45 on my hip almost blurted out.."Whatcha going to shoot with that little thing?". Instead I hushed up and commented on how neat those things were.

At least he has the presence of mind to carry one.

And well..of course .45 is better. For me that is.

Good Shooting

January 4, 2003, 11:47 PM
The 10MM has made that debate superfluous.

January 5, 2003, 12:03 AM
Inexpensive entertainment, and much better than watching TV. Every once in a while, a nugget of information surfaces, just frequently enough to keep me "tuned in" to the topic...

January 5, 2003, 12:05 AM
I think the question has been settled :D

January 5, 2003, 12:05 AM
I think its designed to get people to buy guns and ammo of various calibers.

I also think dove season was inspired by shotshell mfgs to sell shotshells.

Somewhere there is smart marketing dude...and he/she is rich:D

January 5, 2003, 12:12 AM
Sorry buddy, but my baby is better. M109 Series 155 mm Howitzer. Can't beat her unless you got something that floats! Baby's even got a rear view mirror and luggage rack! :D


Good Shooting

January 5, 2003, 12:13 AM
I think it shows that the person asking the question has just begun their journey into the world of defensive handguns. Nothing wrong with being a newbie, but it does show that one is a newbie.

Mike Irwin
January 5, 2003, 12:15 AM

Everyone needs a KV!

January 5, 2003, 12:16 AM
The only thing concrete for me that has come out of all the ones I've read for the last couple of years is a mild distaste for the word "versus".:)

January 5, 2003, 12:31 AM
Better than the AR vs Mini 14 threads, but definitely not as much fun as the SHTF .223 vs .308 rifle threads. That one gets all the kooks out to play.

January 5, 2003, 12:34 AM
Speaking of something that floats:


Game over! Well it was for Japan anyways in the above picture.:neener:

January 5, 2003, 12:44 AM
As Kramer on Seinfeld would say, " It's played.....so played!":D

January 5, 2003, 01:29 AM
more fun than a barrel of monkeys

David Scott
January 5, 2003, 09:08 AM
Here's what I think:

9mm: I don't want to be shot with one.

.40S&W: I don't want to be shot with one.

.45ACP: I don't want to be shot with one.

January 5, 2003, 11:46 AM
Maybe I'm a weirdo or something, but I enjoy shooting all three of these! And many more besides! :rolleyes:

To answer the question, I think these arguments are quite bemusing.

Hk Paul
January 5, 2003, 12:11 PM
Its all personal prefrence.
Those that debate this time and time agian have to much free time.:rolleyes:

January 5, 2003, 12:17 PM

J Miller
January 5, 2003, 12:30 PM

Love the tanks and the Battleship.

As for the caliber argument it is a waste of web space.

Threads I usually avoid:

9mm vs 45 ACP
357 vs anything.
Auto vs Revolver
Ford vs Chevy or any combination of makers.
Single Action vs Double Action, revolvers or autos arguments.

It's the same old argument over and over. All of us has our preferences.
My preference is to be armed when I need to be. IF I have my choice I will pic a XXXX in a YYYYYY rather than a ZZZZ in a WWWW.

Other than the pics of the big ordanance its boreing.
I think I've wasted my share here. ;)

January 5, 2003, 11:45 PM
The .38 Super made the 10mm superfluous 50 years before it was invented!

Oh boy, a NEW caliber argument!!

January 5, 2003, 11:49 PM
"It's not the caliber that matters, it's how well the shooter places the shots!"

January 6, 2003, 12:10 AM
Alright! Semi rimmed .38 Super can't make up it's mind where to headspace! If they had made it rimless, and a silly MM bigger in diameter they coulda had the throne. So close, yet so far.

Uncle Ethan
January 6, 2003, 12:27 AM
Isn't the velocity of the .38 super quite a bit higher than the .40?

January 6, 2003, 08:45 AM
You mean there's something worth carrying other than 357SIG or 10mm?

January 6, 2003, 11:42 AM

Joe Demko
January 6, 2003, 11:58 AM
I much prefer the 5.56 vs .308 micturating contests, especially when at least one of the participants has an M-14 fetish. Then, oh then, do we see dizzying heights of arrogance and pomposity from both sides.

January 6, 2003, 01:37 PM
I like them. Primarily because I know next to nothing on any of the matters, so hearing pros/cons from educated people helps.

Then again, I usually get quite confused....But this is nothing new. :)

January 6, 2003, 01:47 PM
they are not nearly as heated and entertaining as AK vs. AR.

January 9, 2003, 11:31 PM
Semi rimmed .38 Super can't make up it's mind where to headspace!

Hey, it doesn't care about headspacing. It headspaces on the extractor, anyway! (It really does.) Load it with 125g JHP's at 1200 FPS and it will do anything any other cartridge will.:D

January 10, 2003, 03:03 AM
I someitmes read them to see people who get more bent out of shape over sillier things than me. The rest of the time I ignore them because any hole punctured into another persons body will at least neutralize the bulk of the group. Of the remaining percentage still moving thing will be more interesting than what caliber gun I'm using. I do find the "size doesn't matter" argument sometimes foisted on us by the 5.56 crowd to sometimes sound like a compensation issue, but that's probably a different thread.

Bruce H
January 10, 2003, 07:16 AM
What is really improtant is if you can't put a full magazine into a tea cup sized target at ten yards you had better practice more and argue less. Just like anything else, the more and varied they are the more they sell. I have great respect for all but will admit that there are circumstances that dictate a particular specimin as being preferable.

January 10, 2003, 07:25 AM
Pointless, like guys standing around trying to compare their P***s size by determining how many fingers they use to hold, and not mentioning how many of those fingers get wet when relieving themselves...:D

January 10, 2003, 09:00 AM
more fun than a barrel of monkeys

Yeah, but what caliber barrel, and how much do the monkeys weigh? :neener:

Joe Demko
January 10, 2003, 09:14 AM
Are they high speed/low drag, tactical, combat, subsonic monkeys?

January 10, 2003, 04:24 PM
I regard them as a baited trap for:

1. Newbies
2. Stopping power ignoramuses
3. People who like to read threads that end in epithets.

I am:

1) 2) 3) or 4) None of the above

January 10, 2003, 04:45 PM
but whipping an old horse. Carry a .40, bedside .45. Don't own a 9mm as I cannot afford an uzi.....chris3

January 10, 2003, 05:57 PM
9 mm -- for fun and games
.40 -- for blowing up your gun
.45 -- for getting serious

January 10, 2003, 07:18 PM
Load it with 125g JHP's at 1200 FPS

That's it? 9x19mm can do that. 9x19mm NATO loading is a 124grn bullet at 1200 feet per second.

Georiga Arms makes this load. They also make a nice .38 Super load; 147 grains at 1200 feet per second!

January 11, 2003, 02:10 AM
Well, I didn't want to post my 160 grain RNL at 1300FPS cause someone might copy it and blow up their Colt copy!:D
(It ALWAYS made Major at IPSC matches!)

January 11, 2003, 02:15 AM
PATH, I see you have over 600 posts. I'm a newbie here, but would like to start a petition to get you banned for this thread!:)

January 11, 2003, 11:46 AM

Sorry I didn't reply sooner, off arguing JBT vs. Peace Officer in other threads (makes the caliber debate quite enjoyable again!). Re: headspacing off the extractor. 10MM can do that too. All you gotta do is load with .40 S&W brass. I can throw at least 40 grains more lead and still hit 1300fps, which has gotta hurt more.

January 11, 2003, 12:34 PM
Waste of time.

22LRs, have probably killed more men and critters than any other round.

Unfortunately, ego and machismo, dictates what caliber young men buy as their first gun.

I can't count the times I have ran into weenie boys in the desert toting a Ruger in 44 (((MAGNUM))).

I'll bet a lot of dudes, got a Ruger 44 (((MAGNUM))) buried in the back of the closet or gun safe.

Ha ha


January 11, 2003, 01:20 PM
Elmer Keith taught me (not in person) the .44M is a great caliber and one of the most accurate. I reload because it's no fun to rattle ceiling tiles and set the sagebrush on fire with every shot. Let the weenies have their fun, too.

January 11, 2003, 08:01 PM
I had a ton of 44 mag brass laying around, so I had to buy one.

But sure in hell wouldn't be my first choice for a gun fight.


January 11, 2003, 08:29 PM
Just give me a phaser and call it done!

January 11, 2003, 08:54 PM
Flame suit on... people need to get over it and choose what works for them, be it guns or ammunition.

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