Opinions on Yildiz over/under?


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MCgunner
September 5, 2006, 03:30 PM
Academy has a nice price on this shotgun. They just opened a store here near me, well, 40 miles anyway. It has choke tubes, single selective trigger, and auto selective ejectors. Awesome stuff for that sort of money, under $400. I want a 20 gauge and this sure is a neat looking little gun. It's very light, though, might have a bit of kick to it. It chambers 3" loads, too. Sure is quick to the shoulder and I liked the drop on the stock, fit me pretty well. I mean, I ain't got $400 right now, but I can wait, they'll have it later on I'm sure. Sweet lookin', but wonder if anyone has some experience with it to give opinions?



http://www.academy.com/index.php?page=content&target=products/outdoors/hunting/shotguns&start=20&selectedSKU=0350-04706-2028

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telli97
September 5, 2006, 03:44 PM
McGunner - The Yildiz are nice guns for the money. I have seen them and handled them while on a trip to TX recently @ Academy. Since I live in IL they would not sell me the Yildiz and transfer it to my FFL. Guy said it was store policy (whatever). You can also check out www.shotgunworld.com and pull up the "I love my" section and their is a whole forum dedicated to the Yildiz brand.

JP

MCgunner
September 5, 2006, 03:54 PM
Thanks! Sure did seem like a well made little gun. Now I've got the hots for it. :banghead:

TexasRifleman
September 5, 2006, 03:59 PM
Their website (Yildiz) shows some SxS and pump models as well.

Does anyone know if Academy can/will order the other models or are they only carrying a few?

TX1911fan
September 5, 2006, 06:08 PM
I have a 12 ga and a 20 ga and really like them. Now, I've never shot any other O/Us so I have nothing to compare to. The 12 ga kicked me hard, so hard in fact that I had a Pachmayr recoil pad installed. Now it's great. The 20 ga is a joy. They work great, and you can get lucky with the wood too. Ask to see all of them in stock and pick the best wood. I think you'll like it. I may move up to a Browning or Ruger some day, but for now, this is all I need.

another okie
September 5, 2006, 06:28 PM
I shot one of these Sunday and asked the owner about it. He basically said the same thing posted above, it's from the Academy and it's cheap!

It was a sweet shooter and easy to handle. The barrel is fairly short for a trap/skeet gun. It is light, and seemed to kick a good bit. The quality seemed excellent for the price.

MCgunner
September 5, 2006, 07:42 PM
I wonder, does the instructions or paperwork with the gun mention whether it's safe to shoot it with steel shot??? Some doubles, including my old side by side can separate with the stuff. I don't use it in that double for that reason, could ruin the gun. I probably wouldn't care cause I wouldn't use this thing on ducks much if any, but it'd be good to know that I could if I wanted to.

TX1911fan
September 5, 2006, 09:15 PM
I just read the instructions. It doesn't say anything about shot, one way or the other.

MCgunner
September 6, 2006, 08:54 AM
Hmm, well, most shotguns are made to digest steel now days, but I think I wouldn't feed it to this gun unless I knew for sure. If I go to buy it, I'll ask the guy at Academy, but they're all kids and I doubt they'd know, though they might tell you it is fine just for the sale. :rolleyes: Perhaps I'll do some googling on the subject and see what I can find out.

MCgunner
September 6, 2006, 09:16 AM
Did some googling, went to their site, and can't find any mention of steel shot. I did find some other BBS discussions and the only negative I found was some guy griping he wouldn't have it cause he didn't like the engraving. :rolleyes: So, now, I'm getting the serious hots for the shotgun. :banghead: It ain't like I NEED it or anything, but I just WANT it. I want a 20 O/U, have for a while, and this little gun is just too nice for the price.

TX1911fan
September 6, 2006, 01:03 PM
McGunner, this should answer your steel shot questions.

Shotgun world has quite a bit to say, most of it good, about Yildiz. I'm thinking of extended chokes now.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=74315

MCgunner
September 6, 2006, 01:12 PM
EXCELLENT! Thanks!

TexasRifleman
September 6, 2006, 01:21 PM
OK, so this thread caught my attention as I have been shopping for a 20ga for a while now, but have not been in any particular hurry. I saw these a couple of times in the store but did not pay much attention to them.

I went to my local Academy this morning and they did have stacks of boxes of these things.

I asked to see the 20ga model and I waited patiently as the clerk tried to put one together for me out of the box. She had to call for help and they all finally agreed that it was defective, the ejectors were not going back into the chamber and it wouldn't close.

Next we pull out another one, she starts to put this one together and I tell her no, it has a pretty bad place in the wood.

So, on to #3. Comes out, goes together pretty well but very tight.

I handle it a while, ask if I can dry fire, she says sure. I snap both barrels just to see how hard it is to open.

Wow, I've never had a Dbl that was so hard to open. I know its brand new but it was VERY hard to break open and re-cock the hammers.

The machine work is very obviously low grade CNC, but acceptable for prices like this. The gun was extremely dry, a tiny bit of oil on the wood but the metal had no oil at all.

The chokes are not marked with anything other than a little hash mark, 1 to 5 with 1 mark being tightest, 5 being most open. No idea if these correspond to standard choke sizes but I'd assume they do. Time will tell.

But, it was pretty lightweight, balanced well, trigger was not bad.

The initial barrel selector is a bit tight, left or right depending on if you want to light off the top or bottom first, and then slide it fore or aft for safe and fire. Fore and aft was pretty smooth, and thats what matters to me most I think anyway.

So, after standing there a while, I bought it. That price is just too attractive.

I was told no returns or exchanges, and any work has to go back to Academy's place in Katy, TX (outside of Houston). Academy is the actual importer of this particular model for their stores and the required ATF stampings show this with some blazing bright white letters all over the side of the barrel. I'll see if I can blacken those out where they don't stick out like a sore thumb. I'm sure that's legal as long as I don't change the depth right?

They did have the upgrade model, with a bit nicer wood and more engraving. I've read that the extra engraving on this was done by hand but after close inspection I don't believe that. Looks like machine cut to me, just more detail. The difference in wood did not impress me either so I'd say that one is more marketing than anything. I wanted 20ga anyway and the fancy model is only avalable in 12.

I'll shoot some pattern targets and clay in the next couple of days and report back on how it shoots.

MCgunner
September 6, 2006, 02:41 PM
The one I handled was tight, too, but not well lubricated as you say. I didn't dry fire it. Look forward to the report, though. I know where that Academy in Katy is, near Katy Mills Mall. We go over there occasionally, but not for the Academy store, especially since we have a new one in Victoria now, close to us.

I remember my old Sarasqueta being tight for a while until I broke it in. I figure some of that is just the new gun. A good lubing might help.

TexasRifleman
September 9, 2006, 06:22 PM
Well I went to the range today with this thing and 3 boxes of 20ga AA Heavy Target loads.

I didn't have a chance to get on the pattern range, it was full, so I went straight to the clays.

I have to say I am so glad I bought this shotgun. Very light, pointed well, trigger smoothed up after a few rounds.

It is much easier to break open now, it mainly needed some lubrication.

After 3 boxes through the gun I didn't even notice opening it being any different from any other gun I have.

It throws the empties about half a mile behind you though, so if you're saving hulls you might want to alter the hold to have them hit your shoulder. They really fly a long way back.

I don't like the side to side switch for barrel firing order, it's really hard to move on this one, but I don't think that will come up very often.

I shot all day with bottom firing first, which from what I can tell is supposed to be Imp Cyl, and the top last which I believe to be Modified. Without patterning these things I can't tell for sure since they are not marked with anything other than hash marks, and the manual doesn't say anything about comparing those marks to standard chokes. I have the other 3 in my range bag and sometime maybe I can figure out which to use where. Since there are 5, if I assume they use the standard pattern, then I may actually have Skeet and Imp Cyl in there, but Briley is involved with this gun somehow so they may use the intermediate chokes Briley offers like Light Modified or something. Just don't know for sure.

That lack of knowing the choke size from the get go is really the only complaint I have about the shotgun, and I am glad I bought it.

MCgunner
September 9, 2006, 06:45 PM
I figured it'd limber up with a little lube. Now, I'm really wantin' this thing. :banghead:

TX1911fan
September 11, 2006, 03:55 PM
MCgunner, just go get one! You know you want it. I love both my 12 and 20 ga. They are great. Get one and have fun with it.

tvone
September 12, 2006, 08:43 AM
I bought a 20ga. last year, and I have about 3000 rounds through mine. They were selling like hotcakes, and so I wasn't so picky about the quality of the wood. Mine was very dark, and only had stain with no other finish.

Metal to wood fit is good. It is a light gun, so if you're recoil sensitive, you might want to put a pad on it. The one that is on it is worthless.

The guns are shipped dry as a bone! If you buy one, pull the buttstock off and put some high quality lube on the lockworks. If you selector is sticky or your trigger gritty, its dry. Also put some lube on the firing pins. People have broken firing pins in them, and I think that the pins are sticking because they're dry.

Briley in Houston is the warranty center. Turn-around time has been very quick for some that have had problems.

Briley offers chokes for them too, and they are only about $15.00 a piece. I did notice a difference when I patterned with the Briley chokes for skeet. It was only 30 bucks to turn this into a great skeet gun.

Mine bust clays just fine. It does eject the empties a good 15 feet over my shoulder.

I liked it so much, I wanted a 12ga. version, but they were sold out for months. When they finally came in, I looked at about a dozen at a couple of stores for some really good wood.

The 12 is a little heavier, but still light for a 12. I put 300 rounds through it over 2 days and I felt a little sore. It's getting a pad right now.

The wood on my 12 is outstanding. Very nicely finished compared to my 20.
I couldn't stand it when they were put side by side, so I refinished the stock. It looks much better now, but still not as good as the 12.

MCgunner
September 12, 2006, 10:09 AM
MCgunner, just go get one! You know you want it. I love both my 12 and 20 ga. They are great. Get one and have fun with it.

Oh, I intend to, but I just need to save the money. I'm not a rich man.:( That's why a $380 O/U appeals to me. I've always wanted an O/U, but a $1500 gun is out of the question. Same for side-by-sides, I'm a big time lover of doubles. I bought a $100 12 gauge side-by-side in 1971 and still own it. It's beat up now after so many years of use, but I still like the thing. Don't shoot it much anymore, but it's still tight after many thousands of rounds and rough use in the duck marsh. You ain't gotta spend a fortune to get a good double.

I've also been wanting a 20 ga gun and this little O/U is the answer, I think. I mean, I've got a nice Winchester auto for birds and I use my beat up 15 year old camo Mossberg for ducks and geese. I don't NEED this gun, but I WANT it! I will use it for sure at country doubles matches our club puts on. I think this little gun would be dandy for that with a skeet choke for the first bird and a modified for that long second shot. I'll get that first bird 20 feet off the trap and have plenty of time to get on the second, or that's the plan. :D

bigmike12
August 16, 2007, 12:39 PM
bought one of these guns was a little skeptic but it has turned out to be a great gun i would recommend anyone who doesn't want to spend a grand on a gun to look at this gun it shots just as good as my browning and is a lot lighter you'll probaly need to put a better butt cushion on it but that is about all you will need to do the gun is very light and has good eye appeal so give it a try if want and you won'y be disappointed

MCgunner
August 16, 2007, 01:42 PM
Well, since I posted this, I wound up finding a 20" Spartan 20 gauge side by side I liked for 300 bucks at a local gun shop. It's got screw in chokes and fits my GoldWing's saddle bags for transport, so I'm pretty happy with it. It patterns well and I'll be shooting dove with it in a little over a week. :D I sure liked that Yildiz, but it was a hundred more and not quite as versatile as the Spartan. I'd still like to have one, but it'll have to wait. I thought it was a pretty nice shotgun for the money. It is nicer to look at than the Spartan, too, but I think the Spartan will work as a field gun.

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