Why is the Remington 580 .22LR single-shot so exciting? Caliber conversions?


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MatthewVanitas
September 6, 2006, 10:44 PM
I'm trying to figure out what it is that makes the Remington 580 (single-shot bolt action .22) so exciting.

I've read up a little on the Net, and can't figure out much except that people really want them, and you can apparently rechamber them to other cartridges. There's a .300 Whisper Rem580 up on AuctionArms, etc.

What's special about this model? Is it inordinately strong, or does it have an extra-long action that accomodates short centerfires?

Is it a good .22LR in the first place if I can find one for a good price?

Just random curiousity, and joy over finding a topic that we haven't flogged to death.

-MV

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1911 guy
September 6, 2006, 10:55 PM
It belonged to my late uncle. Nice looking rifle. Shoots tight but very high. Other than that, I know nothing about them. Last time I checked (curiosity, not selling) they went for about eighty dollars. I'm going to follow this and hopefully learn something.

MatthewVanitas
September 6, 2006, 11:09 PM
Last time I checked (curiosity, not selling) they went for about eighty dollars

That's what's getting me. On GunBroker, one with a broken stock sold for $120, one missing some parts for $150. Smoothbore versions sold for $260.Those are _SOLD_ prices, not asking.

Then I see a .300 Whisper version being sold, and start wondering if some article somewhere sang the praises of using these in conversions, thus driving up the price. They seem to be garnering more than the usual $50 for a Remington single-shot.

You know how sometimes a gunrag or forum has a cool article on a gun, and everybody starts driving the prices up (like the S&W 38-44)? I'm wondering if that's what's going on.

Note to self: become gunwriter, write exciting articles with juicy pictures about the various crap I have in my safe. Wait for market to rise, sell bunch of beat-up junkers. Retire to New Caledonia. Live on beach with cute French girls who know how to make mojitos.

-MV

1911 guy
September 7, 2006, 09:04 AM
I'm gonna bump this so somebody can chime in and teach us something. Hopefully.

Terrierman
September 7, 2006, 03:54 PM
I already learned something from this thread. Never had or heard of a mojito, but now that I know what one is and how to make it, I betcha I have one fairly soon. As far as the 580 goes, I'm clueless. But thanks for starting the thread anyway.

olywa
September 7, 2006, 04:22 PM
I've got a 580 smoothbore that I inherited from my Grandfather. In fact, when I was a budding gun nut just 10 years old, I found this 22 in my copy of the Shooters Bible and told my Grandpa that it would be good medicine for some pest control in his garden. He thought so too and we ordered it from the local Western Auto (remember those?). He used it for many years and thought it was perfect for his needs.

When Grandpa passed away back in the 80's the gun came home to my safe. I still use it for pesky starlings and it's a hoot to pop yellowjackets with in the Fall when they get obnoxious.

I seem to remember that it was supposed to have a very quick lock time but nothing else stands out about it. It is great little 22 but I don't see how it could be used as a platform for a centerfire round. The receiver just isn't made to handle those pressures and how the heck do you modify the bolt to go from rimfire to centerfire?

Jim Watson
September 7, 2006, 04:40 PM
The action is kind of a miniature 788 with six rear locking lugs.
I know you can convert the 5mms to centerfire and handload for them, so I guess you could do others as well. I think .300 Whisper on the .221 head diameter would be a stretch, though.

MatthewVanitas
September 7, 2006, 06:27 PM
Back in June some cat called "22" was selling the .300 Whisper Rem 580 on AuctionArms, no bids at $650.

Here's the text (he has a few hundred sales at 95% feedback)

Seller's Description:
THIS LITTLE YET GREAT PICE HAS 6 LOCKING LUGS WITH A 4140 BOLT HEAD AN SAKO TYPE EXTOR HAS A WINCHERSTER 22 IN SAINLESS BBL MATT BLUE RECIVER WHICH IS 5 1/4 INS LONG 4 1/2# TRIGGER AN WARNE RINGS AN BASES SCOPE DOES NOT GO WITH IT ALSO COMES WITH ONCE FIRED BRASS AN IS ONE HECK OF A SHOOTER = TO A 30-30 IN POWER THE WEIGHT OF THE RIFLE IS 5# WITH BIG STEEL WEAVER ON IT 20.00 S/H/I TO FFL IF YOU HAVE ?????S AS IAM SURE YA WILL PLEASE ASK THANKS 22


(shrug)

1911 guy
September 7, 2006, 07:36 PM
I'm not feeling very well today and went to the doctor. On my way home I stopped at the local "medicine shop". He had a 580 smoothbore with a price tag of $379! What's going on around here? Not that I'm complaining, I like mine (rifle) but it's an $80 rifle for cryin' out loud. His best explanation was the nostalgia factor. Those that grew up with them are buying them up for old times sake and driving the prices up. Oh well.

Incidentally, the 580 was a single shot, the 581 a detachable mag and the 582 was a tube feed. I still have the manual and IBP for mine (my uncles).

MatthewVanitas
September 8, 2006, 05:28 PM
@ Terrierman: definitely try out a mojito. I'm usually a beer guy, but a mojito is a great balance between not being a sickly-sweet drink, and not tasting like rubbing alcohol. If you want a classier (and bit less sweet) alternative, I like the "mesquito" which is made with tequila instead of rum, and torn basil instead of crushed mint.


Had a surreal Rem 580 buying experience today:

I went to the shop where I saw it two days ago. Tag said $89, the manager had said $75. I came in today, manager saw me looking at it and said "$75 was yesterday's deal, today it's $80". Thought that was a little blunt, but certainly within her rights to start out with a new offer.

So I pay my cash, get my receipt, get NICSed through, all good.

The seller says "I need to show you how it works, store policy, even if you already know how guns work." And then goes into this very condescending explanation of "this is where the bullets come out, don't point it at people" while flagging her hand with the muzzle. She then tries to work the bolt and safety, accidentally releasing the bolt which falls to the floor with a clatter. She then picks it up and starts jamming it into the receiver crookedly with a lot of force.

I winced slightly and said "Ma'am, I just paid for that" in a light-hearted tone. Didn't shout, didn't swear. Seller gives me the evil eye and says "I don't care whether you buy it or not." Grabbed my receipt away, slammed my money down on the counter. The very odd man who works with her walks up and starts tearing into me in: "We don't tolerate sarcasm in our store! This isn't your house where you can just walk in and say whatever you want!"

When I started to explain that I simply wanted to keep the gun in the condition I bought it in, he said "Don't you dare interrupt me in my own store, get out now!" At that point, I decided that discretion was the better part of valor and backed away until I got to the door. I was seriously concerned that he would approach me, or else call the cops and file a trespassing complaint.

So, I'm back on the market for a Rem 580, and had a very unusual morning. I think I can safely say that I will never enter that shop again.

I hasten to add that I'm on great terms with about five different pawnshops in the Austin area, so it's not that I'm an abrasive person. I must have just struck some nerve with those people.

These were the same folks that, when I asked to look at a Glock, told me "We don't care to sell any guns that we might see again outside of work"...

-MV

Coronach
September 8, 2006, 05:34 PM
:scrutiny:

And people wonder why some gunshops just plain go out of business.

Mike

Tupperware
December 18, 2009, 10:09 PM
Sorry to resurrect such an old thread.

So I pay my cash, get my receipt, get NICSed through, all good.

Wish I had seen this thread when it was fresh. You were the victim of an actionable offense. They took your property. Doesn't matter that they took the receipt away, NICS could have proven the transaction took place.

As for the reason I found this thread, my shooting buddy just picked up a like new, smooth bore, 580 that he intended to use for a .32 acp conversion. Now he is reconsidering chopping the gun up because he thinks it's so neat.

murdoc rose
January 8, 2010, 04:58 PM
the smooth bore is very rare thats why its expensive other than that there considered very good quality guns I've shot my grandfaters and its a tack driver after 60 years of use and heavy use at that. The one I own does about the same.

Stainlessbutcher
January 26, 2010, 12:03 AM
I've only heard whispers about smoothbore remingtons, and I wonder why anyone would build a gun they wanted to be accurate without rifling? I could understand if it were a carnival rifle with a loose smoothbore barrel to make it inherently INaccurate. All that aside, I've recently located three different remmy .22 bolties, one with the cocking knob that you operated separately from the bolt, one that has a standard automatic cocking bolt...also single shot, and one tube fed bolt action. I didn't handle any of them as most of the people at the gun store seemed too busy to come see me. I'm probably going back tomorrow. I'm thinking if this isn't one of the "rare" ones, I might see about having it modded into a .22 mag...is this possible?

Butch.

hub
January 26, 2010, 04:36 AM
and I wonder why anyone would build a gun they wanted to be accurate without rifling? I could understand if it were a carnival rifle with a loose smoothbore barrel to make it inherently INaccurate.

A smoothbore .22 is not inherently inaccurate if your shooting .22 shot shells. Several American Legion's, VFW's, etc, put on mini "turkey shoots" with .22 rifles and bird shot. If you use a smoothbore .22 you don't get a donut pattern from the rifling so obviously they put out the most dense patterns increasing your chances of winning.

Now with that in mind maybe it has something to do with shooting bird shot out of it like a shotgun, don't really know for sure, just a guess.

eastbank
January 26, 2010, 08:22 AM
my rem 580 smooth bore kills rats much farther than my 581 rifle with bird shot.where the 581 wounds the rats and they need another shot to kill them, the 580 drops them dead(that is if i do my part). mine likes the crimped bird shot shells, the cci with the plastic head to hold the shot don,t do as well. eastbank.

Ed Harris
January 26, 2010, 08:35 AM
This thread has details on conversion. The .221 Fireball or .30 Whisper are a stretch, but Calhoun does various wildcats using .31 M1 carbine brass, which work well. You could also do .327 Federal. As for me, I'm having one done for .32 ACP because I want a very low noise, "silent-without-a-can" garden rifle which is more effective at short range than a .22 LR. In a rifle the .32 ACP gives performance about like the old .32 Long rimfire, about 1000 f.p.s. with 88-grain flatnosed bullet with a light charge of Bullseye, with no more noise than a CB long.

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_topic.php?id=5418&forum_id=48

dogsoldier0513
November 15, 2010, 11:27 AM
I purchased a 580 last winter with the intent of making a super accurate squirrel rifle from it. One year later and all I've done is prep it for refinishing.

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