new historical question: most powerfull military bp rifle catridge?


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agent00
September 9, 2006, 05:37 PM
Hi, its me again with a new historical question: What was the most powerfull bp rilfe catridge?


I would be pleased hearing a few answers.

thanks.:)

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armoredman
September 9, 2006, 05:43 PM
Most powerful? Dahlgren rifles. Oh, sorry, that's actually an artillery piece. Ummm, howabout the 600 Nitro Express? Or just military, probably the 50-120 Sharps? Do I have that last one right?

SigfanUSAF
September 9, 2006, 06:32 PM
I thought it was .45-120, only 90 grains for the .50 cal (50-90)?:scrutiny:

Jim Watson
September 9, 2006, 07:08 PM
Is agent00 a troll you are jerking around?
A nitwit asking a silly question in the absence of a copy of CotW?

CotW shows several black powder military cartridges that kind of top out in the 1900 - 2000 ft-lb energy range. To include 11mm Gras, 11mm Murata, 10.15mm Jarman, and 9.5mm Turkish Mauser. Also the heavy bullet load of .577-450. I bet the .42 Enfield was right up there too, but cannot find detailed data on it. The Jarman and Turk were the latest and "most efficient" and offered in repeating rifles.

sundance44s
September 10, 2006, 02:47 PM
Back in General Custards day the 45/70 was the most powerful cartrage the military had ...and the men useing them complained of the felt recoil being too much for them ... so uncle sam had the ammo factory cut the powder charge back instead of 70 grs of powder they loaded the armys bullets with a lighter charge 65 or 60 grs i can`t remember which .

Jim Watson
September 10, 2006, 03:34 PM
There were two .45 Government loads from an early date. The .45-70-405 rifle load and the .45-55-405 carbine load. I guess if you were bothered by recoil in your rifle you could scrounge some carbine ammo. But it would not shoot to the sights.
Never heard of a 60 or 65 grain load.
In fact, in 1881 they moved to INCREASE the power and range of the Trapdoor, going to .45-70-500.

sundance44s
September 10, 2006, 04:56 PM
It`s a great cartrage the 45/70 .. a ton of good reading out there on it and it`s been around some 133 years now ...and will take down just about any creature on the planet . Bought a single shot version last year and have been enjoying working up loads with it ever since .

John-Melb
September 11, 2006, 01:51 AM
MOst powerful military Black powder cartridge would have to be the 577/450 MH.

agent00
September 11, 2006, 02:33 AM
ok thx for your answers

JesseL
September 12, 2006, 04:18 PM
Ummm, howabout the 600 Nitro Express?

I just wanted to point out that all the "Nitro Express" rounds are smokeless, hence the 'nitro' aka nitrocellulose/nitroglycerin.

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