True Pocket Carry - What really works?


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TexasRifleman
September 10, 2006, 11:39 AM
As it says, I have been looking at a lot of different things, and I've narrowed it down here, but if I've missed something would you let me know?

I'm particularly concerned about the 642, I'm not sure it's really good for this, it seems a bit too large but I don't know.

And I am asking about real pocket carry for times I just can't fit a holster.

I carry a P239 90% of the time, but there are times it's difficult to manage, and there are times that I just can't manage it at all, and I REALLY don't like that.

Thanks!

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Legionnaire
September 10, 2006, 11:44 AM
Kel-Tec P32.

usp9
September 10, 2006, 11:49 AM
In modern production arms you simply cannot find a smaller, more potent firearm than the Seecamp .380...period. Plus, it is one of the highest quality pistols, reliability always a quality one looks for in a CCW.

In my opinion there are very few TRUE pocket pistols, ie: a gun that disappears in a front or rear pocket without being covered. Seecamp is one of them.

LiquidTension
September 10, 2006, 11:54 AM
I've been carrying a Keltec P3AT in a front pocket for a while now. I also pocket carry a 642 every now and then. The P3AT definitely disappears in a pocket. It fits in an Uncle Mike's #1 pocket holster if you pop a few threads. The 642 is larger and heavier - it definitely prints. Thing is, in the same holster you can't tell that it's a gun. Could be a cell phone, whatever.

I pocket carry the P3AT when I have to tuck my shirt in, and nobody's ever noticed.

Glockman17366
September 10, 2006, 12:00 PM
I've carried a Taurus 85 Multialloy for several years...at least 5 years. It goes into a Galco or Mikas holster. It works great!
If you're writting about carrying the gun in a pocket without a holster...well, I don't think that's a good idea...for any handgun.

XavierBreath
September 10, 2006, 12:12 PM
S&W Model 38 in a Uncle Mike #3

symr00
September 10, 2006, 12:12 PM
I wouldn't want to carry anything less than 38+P. For pocket carry, I find it easier to get my hand on the revolver grip and unless you're wearing tight pants, the 642 should carry fine with a decent pocket holster. I occasionally carry my SP101 in the pocket and that's about the size of a K frame.

LiquidTension
September 10, 2006, 12:20 PM
Another thing to think about is the grips. The rubber grips on my 642 grab on to facbric a lot more than wood grips. Your hand covers most of the grip area, but not all. I haven't noticed that checkering makes a difference, mostly because that part of the grip is covered by your hand.

Atticus
September 10, 2006, 12:45 PM
Keltec P3AT in a Desantis Nemesis holster. Better than a sharp stick, nearly invisible, and totally painless to carry.

Mac Attack
September 10, 2006, 12:48 PM
For a true lightweight handgun which you will forget is there I highly recommend the Keltec P32 or if you want something bigger then a P3AT. They are inexpensive, go bang everytime you pull the trigger and their composite material makes for a very light carry.

Try a DeSantis Nemesis holster for absolute comfort.

.41Dave
September 10, 2006, 12:59 PM
I pocket carry an S&W model 337 daily. It is slightly lighter than your 642, but pretty much identical in size. I use this holster with the clip removed. http://www.uncle-mikes.com/adtemplate.asp?invky=4135543&catky=3407251&subcatky1=4548802&subcatky2=2000017

It disappears in my pocket. I would avoid any semi-auto for pocket carry unless you are fanatical about daily cleaning. Lint buildup will not phase a revolver much, but a semi-auto will choke. (personal experience)

brett30030
September 10, 2006, 01:37 PM
P3-AT 2nd generation

Tropical Z
September 10, 2006, 01:42 PM
Nothings better than a Kel-Tec P32.

tegemu
September 10, 2006, 01:43 PM
I carry a Kimber Ultra Carry II, a 3" .45 ACP, in a Sam Andrews www.andrewsleather.com pocket holster. I have just acquired a SKYY CPX-1 9MM to break in as an alternate.

pstmstr
September 10, 2006, 01:51 PM
Works well for me, even with jeans. Light, 7 rds of 9mm, night sights, accurate, and reliable.

MCgunner
September 10, 2006, 02:18 PM
Kel Tec P11 9mm+P 11 rounds in a front pocket. Carries as easily as a J frame and has over twice the firepower and over 100 ft lbs more energy. The PF9 should be out soon, too.

I really think the DA pocket 9s are the best answer over all to pocket carry/concealed carry, at least for me.

browningguy
September 10, 2006, 02:32 PM
I honestly can't fit a revolver in my pants pockets, I guess I need to go get some of the big baggy jeans and maybe then it will work.

Any of the small quality semi's will work, I don't even care if it's a Browning or Beretta .25 ACP (because I have one of each). And for those that want to trash it, the test results I've seen with the newer 35 gr. loads look pretty decent.It's also better than having nothing.

I should add I only carry these as a backup, normally carry a BHP in .40 and sometimes a Bersa .380. I've shot a few of the really small .380's and 9mm's, and to me they have a lot of recoil which would effect how much I practiced with it. I'd look at a .32 NAA Guardian if I was in the market again, or a Beretta Tomcat in .32 ACP, or the little Keltecs.

CZ 75 BD
September 10, 2006, 02:45 PM
detective special in a pocket holster.

JN01
September 10, 2006, 03:02 PM
I was pocket carrying my S&W 442 in a Nemisis holster the other day (which I have done infrequently before) and discovered I had created a sizable hole in the pocket of my jeans.

The 442 isn't very heavy, but the material that most pockets are made out of is pretty thin and apparently, weak.

I'm looking at reinforcing all my pockets before I pocket carry again.

At least it didn't rip all the way out and send my gun skidding accross the floor.

Texfire
September 10, 2006, 03:07 PM
642 with CT Lasergrips in a pocket holster with Bianci speedstrips for reload. It works well in slacks or cargo shorts. If I wanted to wear something tighter like jeans I'd have to go with something like the P3AT in a wallet holster, but the 642 works very well for me.

Tex

Avizpls
September 10, 2006, 03:11 PM
When I use pocket carry, its a 642. Used to be a KelTec P3AT, but my girlfriend took it. Both work as well

TexasRifleman
September 10, 2006, 03:48 PM
Thanks for the suggestions folks!

Wow, lots of Kel Tec fans. I thought about this one but after reading some reviews and looking through the Ket Tec owners forum there seem to be lots of reliability issues.

The P3AT interests me a lot, but the reported reliability scared me off from putting that one in the poll. I guess I should have included it.

Of you Kel Tec folks, did you have reliability issues?

Many thanks for all your input.

642 folks, the rubber grip sticking to clothing was my main concern. Anyone found a good smooth grip alternative?

flip180
September 10, 2006, 03:55 PM
If you have a good holster for your 642 which mine is a Milt-Spark, the little J-frame is good to go in what ever I'm wearing.

Flip.

Hypnogator
September 10, 2006, 04:42 PM
Kel-Tec P-32 or P3AT with pocket-slipper laser (or equivalent) in rear pocket. Prints like wallet. Strange no one ever seems to notice you're carrying two wallets! ;) :D

Sistema1927
September 10, 2006, 04:57 PM
Kahr PM9 in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster. I carry this combo in jeans, dockers, dress slacks, shorts, etc.

Baba Louie
September 10, 2006, 05:18 PM
Whenever someone asks about 'pocket carry', I always feel the need to ask, "What kind of pocket? Slacks, Jeans/Cargo pants or Jacket? Loose or tight? Big or bigger (pockets)? Front or rear? Pleated front or plain?"
Cause different pocket carry might require different type(s) of handgun in my way of thinking.
Never been one for pants pocket carry... somehow over the years my pants got tighter... same size, just tighter... must be fashion trends. (some of my belts shrunk a little, too) :scrutiny:
Jacket pocket strong side... snubby revolver and nothing else in the same pocket.
Slacks pocket... slim semi-auto in holster and nothing else in the same pocket.

shooter45
September 10, 2006, 06:13 PM
Kel-tec P3At, Desantis Nemesis holster. Works with all kinds of pockets, even tight ones.

Clipper
September 10, 2006, 06:13 PM
... Another unreserved vote for a Kel-Tec...

Texfire
September 10, 2006, 07:09 PM
642 folks, the rubber grip sticking to clothing was my main concern. Anyone found a good smooth grip alternative?

You can't go wrong with the CT lasergrip. I bought the overmoulded grip and it fits better in my largish hands than the original S&W grips, but still conceals in the pocket quite well. The texture on it allows for a solid grip but doesn't catch inside my pocket on the draw. Finally the laser allows me to be much more accurate with it than with just iron sights, as well as allowing shooting from less than ideal positions. With iron sights I'm limited to how accurate the sight radius allows me to be, with the CT I'm limited to how accurate my trigger pull allows for.

Tex

10-Ring
September 10, 2006, 07:19 PM
For pocket guns, I like j-framed wheelguns first and then mouseguns 2nd. I like wheelguns primarily because if need be, you can fire twice w/o drawing out of the pocket. I like the mousegun because they're just so easy to carry around.

BsChoy
September 10, 2006, 07:22 PM
I voted for other-P3AT...I had a S&W642 until I shot my buddies P32. I feklt the 32 was a little anemic however and traded the 642 towards the 380...flat,small, lightwieght, and ballsy for a little gun

GlenJ
September 10, 2006, 07:25 PM
P3AT either in the front pocket of shorts or in the right rear pocket of jeans. For a holster I cut down an Uncle Mikes IWB and pulled off the clip. I think people worry to much about lumps in there clothes or a gun printing. In todays world so many people carry phones, Ipods and other doo dads that sheeples don't look at that stuff and would never think gun. When we go to baseball games I always palm my KT and put it in the trunk before the game and do the same to get it back out after and no one ever gives me a second look.

AK103K
September 10, 2006, 07:34 PM
I've never been comfortable with any kind of pistol in my pockets. Even my Baby Browning makes me more self conscious than just about anything, so I went with this. :)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid120/p3f6e49857733cca16388203db17e24d5/f866f158.jpg

glove
September 10, 2006, 07:35 PM
Kel-Tec P3AT Perfect for pocket carry :)

TexasRifleman
September 10, 2006, 07:36 PM
so I went with this.

There are days I'm tempted :evil:

jlh26oo
September 11, 2006, 01:16 AM
LOL!!

Why isn't that on the poll?!

The Lone Haranguer
September 11, 2006, 02:17 AM
I use a Kahr PM9 in a High Noon Pocket Grabber holster. When selecting new pants I always check the depth and thickness of the material of the pockets.

thales
September 11, 2006, 04:47 AM
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I wear a Kel-Tec P11 in a Hume pocket holster. It is light and comfortable to wear.

The pistol has not had a malfunction in over 300 rounds. I polished the trigger drawbar and the trigger pull is quite smooth now, though still a bit long and heavy.

My usual work "uniform", and normal street dress for me, is a long sleeved dress shirt with necktie and slacks, so a belt holster is not an option. (Haven't gotten around to trying a tuckable IWB yet.) I wear khakis (Dockers, Land's End, etc.) or slacks that are sized to fit a bit loosely, and that have a pleated front. This pistol/holster/pants combination will print slightly, but is not recognizable as a pistol. In a more casual environment, I wear convertible hiking pants with cargo pockets. The pistol does not print at all in them.


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symr00
September 11, 2006, 09:06 AM
Of you Kel Tec folks, did you have reliability issues?

I did a "Fluff n Buff" on mine before I shot it and never had a malfunction. The trigger pull was just toooo long and heavy even with the trigger shoe so I sold it and bought a snubby.

Travis McGee
September 11, 2006, 10:03 AM
Having finally returned to FL after many years away, I just bought a Kel-Tec P-11 which I plan to carry in a pocket holster. I'm usually in cargo shorts in summer, and loose blue jeans in winter. I have no trouble carrying and concealing a steel .38 snubbie in a front pocket, but the P-11 will be lighter and flatter (and holds twice the ammo.)

Legionnaire
September 11, 2006, 10:17 AM
I'd have bought the Kel-Tec P3AT had it been available at the time. I had great success with a P11, so bought one of the first 150 P32s on the market. It had to go back to the factory once for an extractor update. Since then, it has been 100% reliable with Winchester Silvertips and Fiocchi JHPs. I periodically think about replacing it with a P3AT, but figure I'll just buy the latter eventually.

I don't like anything bigger for pocket carry. I've carried a Kahr PM9, which is a great little gun, but I don't like it in my pocket. I usually wear dress slacks with pockets big enough to get it in and out easitly, but there seems to be know way to keep it from printing. Even if one can't tell it's a gun in that pocket, it's pretty obvious that something with some substantial weight is there. Not so with the P32. It is small enough to just disappear. And if wearing a sport or suit jacket, may as well carry IWB as in a pocket.

I recently procured a new-to-me SP101, and I really like it! I mean, I REALLY like it! But I can't imagine carrying it in a pocket it weighs so much. I traded a Kahr K40 for the PM9 because the K40 was such a brick. I couldn't see the K40 as a pocket pistol, either.

Bottom line, I really like the P32 for pocket carry; it is exactly what a pocket pistol should be: light, flat, and reasonable capacity (7+1). It's the "take everywhere all the time" gun. Never even have to think about it. Even the PM9 requires some thought. I do like the look and feel of the Rohrbaugh (sp?) 9mm, but I just can't see spending that kind of money for that diminuative piece, especially when the P32 and P3AT work so well.

MCgunner
September 11, 2006, 11:26 AM
I was pocket carrying my S&W 442 in a Nemisis holster the other day (which I have done infrequently before) and discovered I had created a sizable hole in the pocket of my jeans.

The 442 isn't very heavy, but the material that most pockets are made out of is pretty thin and apparently, weak.

I'm looking at reinforcing all my pockets before I pocket carry again.

At least it didn't rip all the way out and send my gun skidding accross the floor.

This, along with masking the print and placing the gun in one spot and not letting it flop around are all reasons for a pocket holster. The weight of a revolver baring down on the muzzle in a pocket WILL wear holes. If it's in a pocket holster that distributes the weight across the bottom of the pocket, that will not happen.

My usual work "uniform", and normal street dress for me, is a long sleeved dress shirt with necktie and slacks, so a belt holster is not an option. (Haven't gotten around to trying a tuckable IWB yet.) I wear khakis (Dockers, Land's End, etc.) or slacks that are sized to fit a bit loosely, and that have a pleated front. This pistol/holster/pants combination will print slightly, but is not recognizable as a pistol. In a more casual environment, I wear convertible hiking pants with cargo pockets. The pistol does not print at all in them.

Early on, I bought a Mitch Rosen Workman tuckable. It is quite comfortable for all day carry and works very well. However, I still find pocket carry more comfortable for my needs. But, my needs involve hot, hot weather, sweating a lot, rolling around under tractors for a living, not IWB friendly. I don't carry much IWB anymore, but the Workman rig is an option.

Of you Kel Tec folks, did you have reliability issues?

Mine's an early production P11 that I got some 10 years ago. I've put over 10K round through it in that time, put about 100 rounds a month out of it average, some months more, some months less, but at any rate there are a lots of rounds though that gun and it's been flawless. I trust the gun as much as any of my revolvers. I KNOW it's going to go bang when I squeeze the trigger and cycle perfectly. It's not even very picky about loads, bullet ogive, that sort of thing. I've never fluffed nothin', but my pillow at night. If you were near me, I'd be glad to let you fire it. It's a lot of firepower for a pocket and in a major caliber.

I have considered buying a P3AT just because those things are so tiny. Amazing they can put a .380 in such a small package. Most everyone that has one seems to like it. I have an old Grendel P12 that works fine, though, and I think makes a better back pocket gun cause of the heel clip magazine release. I made a wallet for it, looks like a wallet in a hip pocket and is less restrictive than my P11 as far as mode of dress. I can't pocket the P11 in "normal" jeans, but I buy carpenter's jeans or Wrangler Cargo Jeans (big front pockets) anymore. They work fine with the P11 and I really like +Ps at 410 ft lbs out of that gun, the power of a snubby .357 with much less flash, bang, recoil. .380 is fine, but I have more confidence in the 9. Besides, the P11 is quite a bit more accurate than my Grendel and I suspect a P3AT. I can put 5 of my carry rounds to POA in a 3.5" group. That's acceptable for a service sized gun and pretty danged decent out of a subcompact, on par with a snubby J frame which I've found can also be incredibly accurate.

I never polished anything on my P11, but after a few thousand rounds, the trigger became incredibly smooth, smoother than any revolver I've ever shot regardless of brand or even some with action jobs. Think about it, no cylinder to turn. All that trigger has to do is draw the internal hammer back and release it. There's far fewer working parts and functions to the trigger on the P11 compared to a J frame so it stands to reason the action is much smoother. It is LONG, of course, and some don't like that. But, it makes the gun very safe to carry in a pocket condition one and I have become quite used to it, shoot it very well. My gun has the old 10 lb spring in it, on par with a really good revolver for weight. the newer guns are lighter with the 8.5 lbs spring in 'em. I've never really considered putting the 8.5 lbs spring in mine, though I understand Kel Tec will upgrade it for free.

That's another thing about Kel Tec, the consumer service is second to none in the industry. So, if you get a lemon, it ain't as bad as if you get a lemon of some other brand. KT will make it right for you if they have to replace the whole gun. I've never had to use KTs service, though, just going on what hear and read. I did call 'em a while back, asking about the recoil spring, whether I should replace it considering the round count. They said "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" so I took their advise.:D

ctt
September 11, 2006, 01:19 PM
I've been pocket carrying a Kahr PM9 for a year now. Gun shoots and pocket carries very well.

5string_dean
September 11, 2006, 01:25 PM
Kel-Tec P3AT w/ 102g Golden Sabres... both mine and my wife's have been totally reliable right out of the box (mine's hard-chromed and hers is the parkerized).

Carried in Desantis Nemesis in the front pocket or cargo pocket or the Desantis Trickster in the back pocket (has a panel that makes it look like a wallet), or in a Protech Ankle Holster if pockets just aren't gonna' work.

TexasRifleman
September 11, 2006, 04:24 PM
Well, even though it was not in my poll, I am going to try the Kel Tec P3AT. I left if off the poll because of the reliability problems reported over the years.

After research I find that Kel Tec is delivering their Second Generation design and the reliability issues seem to be for the most part gone now.

I found a NIB hard chromed model for $235 and we'll see how this goes.
I did order the Desantis Nemesis off of EBay as well for 14 bucks, that also seems to come with the highest praise.

So many thanks for the advice, I know it helped me a ton.

The Seecamp I am sure is a great little pistol but that kind of money is tough to justify, same with the Rohrbaugh.

If the Kel Tec turns out to be unreliable then I'll try one of those, but until I've been shown otherwise, paying a $750 premium is tough, especially with the praise given to Kel Tec for their always "making things right".

I don't mind a trip back to them worst case. The extra couple of weeks still don't justify the $750 extra for the others.

The Smith unfortunately just didn't work, and that's what I really wanted.
I found a gunstore that would let me put one in my pocket (surprisingly several absolutely forbade me to try that) and it just didn't fit in the clothes I commonly wear so I had to walk away. I still want one however :D

roo_ster
September 11, 2006, 04:29 PM
I voted for the snubby.

I have carried the following for serius lengths of time. They all "work." Some work better than others for some pockets & circumstances:
Taurus 651 Total Ti .357mag snubby (5 rounds)
Kel-tec P40 .40S&W (9+1)
AMT DAO Backup .45ACP (5+1)
Kel-tec P32 .32ACP (7+1)
Beretta M21 .22LR (7+1...IIR)

My current pocket "go-to" gun is the Taurus 651 snubby, a S&W Bodyguard wannabe. It carries easier than the P40 or AMT. I have pretty much stopped carrying the P32 since getting the snubby. I stopped carrying hte Beretta since I got the P32: the P32 is lighter, thinner, and packs more punch.

IMO, an alloy snubby is the most versatile pocket gun. Get a couple of differntly-shaped pocket holsters & you'll be good to go for 95% of your pocket-carry needs. The Kel-tec P32 will handle the other 5%.

Richard
September 11, 2006, 04:49 PM
+10 for the Kel-Tec P32. Regards, Richard:D

Bobo
September 11, 2006, 05:50 PM
Kel-Tec P-3AT.

Cleaned it.
Polished the feed ramp, hood, and chamber with #600 sandpaper.
Lubed it.
Shot it.
Have shot over 1000 carefree rounds of various ammo.

miko
September 11, 2006, 06:15 PM
I do not wear jeans. In khakis, S&W 340 is just fine.

miko

barnett
September 11, 2006, 06:35 PM
i like my Colt Mustang Pocketlite.

cookekdjr
September 11, 2006, 06:48 PM
I voted for S&W snubbie, as it is the best all-around pocket gun. However, I can carry my alloy SIG p232 in many pants pockets comfortably, and that is what i have carried lately. I shoot the SIG better and it holds more rounds. YMMV.
-David

jad0110
September 11, 2006, 09:30 PM
My always carry is a S&W 642. It fits in my pocket and my large hand very well. Since I've always felt shot placement to be key, I chose the 642 over the Keltec P11 or PF9 because I am can shoot my 642 just as well as my larger Springfield XD9. And I seem to be improving with the 642 faster than my XD9. Therefore, I figured I'd probably suck with a Keltec. Stands to reason, as J Frames are certainly capable of incredible accuracy. I am no where near being able to make a 50 yd shot on a can of soup, but maybe one day I'll be able to make that feat at half the distance ;) .

Blue .45
September 11, 2006, 09:38 PM
I bought a used KT 1rst generation P32 earlier this summer. It's been 100% reliable. If I were to buy a PAT3, I would get a 2nd gen. because they have the improved feed ramp . With a lifetime warranty, these little guns are hard to beat. BTW I think the 1rst gen guns are a little slimmer than the 2nd gen. guns. Although, both are highly concealable.

HighVelocity
September 11, 2006, 09:42 PM
SW 640, 642, 340 all carry well in my pocket. Kahr MK9, Glock subs, and even a PT145 fit in my pocket in Galco horsehide pocket holsters, but are a tad heavy or large compared to a lightweight J-frame.
The 340 is my favorite and on the + side, you will NEVER fire it accidentally. You've got to REALLY want to. :evil:

TexasRifleman
September 11, 2006, 09:48 PM
You've got to REALLY want to.

If you REALLY want to there's something wrong with you!!!

Black Snowman
September 11, 2006, 09:55 PM
I'm happy with my Kel-Tec P3AT stoked with Winchester white box in a DeSantis Nemesis. Nice flat meplat with that WWB for good wounding coupled with (relatively) deep penetration and 100% reliable in the little guy so far. Not to mention cheap enough to practice with regularly.

S&Wfan
September 11, 2006, 10:29 PM
Hi used to carry my little Kel-Tec P-32 as my main little pocket gun. Super-light and thin, it simply disappears in most pockets.

Then, a very excellent article on actual gunfight deaths on this site by a guy who works in a law enforcement morgue kind of changed my mind about the .32ACP . . . along with the fact that the Kel-Tec P32 ain't exactly a tackdriver. If one is going to use a weak cartridge to begin with, ya better be REAL good with shot placement.

Lately, I've been toting my late father's pocket revolver, his much worn 1st generation Colt Agent (an aluminum frame, lightweight 6-shot snubbie). Much better accuracy and a better round too. The Agent is very light, like a 442, but with that extra round.

Still, if I'm wearing dress pants . . . or even just gym shorts, the Kel-Tec is a winner due to extreme lightness and tiny imprint pattern.


OCCASIONALLY . . . when I'm wearing cargo-type shorts with the bigger, baggy pockets, I'll even slip the ol' Kimber Ultra Carry .45ACP in the pocket.

It all depends on the season, and the clothing.

Snarlingiron
September 11, 2006, 11:03 PM
Stainless Taurus 905 when I can't carry the Glock 19.

Essex County
September 12, 2006, 01:24 PM
I voted other.......I like steel J frames and leather pocket holsters. Makes +P much more enjoyable to shoot. I have had a seamstress deepen the pockets on some of my cargo pants. Cheep enough. Essex

erict
September 12, 2006, 02:36 PM
Another vote for S&W340pd.

roscoe
September 12, 2006, 02:55 PM
P32

barnetmill
September 12, 2006, 03:20 PM
Just my experience with Desantis Nemesis holster and the Keltec 3AT.

It will print in my front pocket. What I do is put a piece of cardboard between the holstered gun and the material of my pocket. With the cardboard you will see a bulge, but it appears more like a wallet than a gun. I buy my pants loose at least one waist size over my actual belt measurement. Usually are about 34" and my ht is 5'10". The draw for me from the pocket is very slow and in close encounters I would consider using my feet and hands initially due to this.


I really can not conceal much with out tell tale budge and most often use a tiny fanny type pack worn in front with my shirt pulled out to cover it with my G33.

I read of someone concealing a small gun under a shirt while wearing a tie, I might look into that.

Years ago they had spring setups in the sleeve for derringers.

Rotorflyr
September 12, 2006, 05:47 PM
I'm surprised no one mentioned the NAA Guardians......not that I have one, but I'd check them out as well as the Kel-Tec's, also the AMT backup's as they are avaliable in a variety of calibers, and are pocket sized!

up_onus
September 12, 2006, 05:54 PM
hmmm,
like what gun works in real life? or which gun do I carry in real life?
if your asking which one works, im sure all of them do!

TexasRifleman
September 12, 2006, 05:59 PM
if your asking which one works, im sure all of them do!

You obviously have not tried the Lorcin :evil:

MCgunner
September 12, 2006, 05:59 PM
Are the AMTs even available anymore? I have an NAA mini revolver in .22 LR, technically a pocket gun (always have it with me), but not exactly my idea of the perfect primary defensive weapon, though it'd beat throwing rocks I guess. I have used it a lot in the field when I wanted a .22. Thing can shoot pretty well with Federal lightening, amazingly, good enough to make a head shot on a rattler just out of striking range or take a rabbit at 20 yards, both of which I've done with it. I sorta think of it as something that goes bang if I'm behind a barracade trying to make a reload with my speedloader and the BG leaves cover and starts charging me. I mean, it would do for back up and it's so tiny and light, heck, why not carry it? I have it in a "holster grip" to make the thing shootable. Without that, I couldn't make the thing go bang, LOL. Can't even get one of my fat fingers around that tiny bird's head grip.

Some would consider the .22 mag mini a decent caliber, but I have no faith in anything with a bullet weight of less than 50 grains, a diameter less than a quarter inch, and energy levels under 200 ft lbs. I figure the .22 is useful, probably more useful than a magnum for the stuff I use it for.

lwrnc1963
September 12, 2006, 06:04 PM
My personal pocket gun is a S&W modl. 10 with a 2" barrel and Eagle secret service grips. While a little heavy for a pocket gun it hides in the front pocket of the relax fit jeans I wear.

up_onus
September 12, 2006, 06:09 PM
heck, ive never even heard of it!

Rotorflyr
September 12, 2006, 06:10 PM
As I understand it, High Standard is making (or marketing) the AMT backups again, could be wrong though and even if they aren't, you can find em' used.













check out the high standard site, they are listed under the AMT Automag section

Johnny Guest
September 12, 2006, 06:19 PM
I have a Model 37 S&W in a DeSantis Nemesis holster. I do this five or six days a week. Occasionally it'll be a Colt Agent in the same holster, or possibly a Kel Tec P3AT in my hip pocket.

Best,
Johnny

TexasRifleman
September 12, 2006, 06:24 PM
heck, ive never even heard of it!

Well it (the Lorcin) is proof that your claim that they all work is false :)

These were solid pieces of doo doo sold as firearms :evil:

MICHAEL T
September 12, 2006, 06:38 PM
My 3 KelTec's. 2 P-32 and 1 P3AT have been perfect. I use Corbon DPX in 380 and Corbon HP in 32 . Both are carried regular .

Mortech
September 12, 2006, 06:40 PM
Taurus 85CH 38 Spec revolver, its my perfect drop in a pocket and go pistol for summer carry .

MCgunner
September 12, 2006, 07:06 PM
Well it (the Lorcin) is proof that your claim that they all work is false

These were solid pieces of doo doo sold as firearms

Well, Lorcin ain't the only proof. RG is an example of note. Bryco. I had a Davis and it actually worked, sold it anyway. It was sort of accurate, too. Amazing, for a cheap POS, LOL. However, it weight about what a 1911 does.:rolleyes: I'd only carry the thing condition three. It was typically striker fired and I never trust the sear on a gun that costs fifty bucks. ROFL!

RugerSAFan
September 12, 2006, 09:09 PM
Pocket Carry Taurus 85ti in a Galco holster.

Bought a Mika holster, but the revolver often fell out while seating (embarassing, to say the least, and in the state I was visiting, potentially illegal!).

Ezekiel
September 12, 2006, 09:20 PM
S&W Bodyguard, with .38 +P, in a Kramer pocket holster.

Blue .45
September 12, 2006, 11:13 PM
Hi used to carry my little Kel-Tec P-32 as my main little pocket gun. Super-light and thin, it simply disappears in most pockets.

Then, a very excellent article on actual gunfight deaths on this site by a guy who works in a law enforcement morgue kind of changed my mind about the .32ACP . . . along with the fact that the Kel-Tec P32 ain't exactly a tackdriver. If one is going to use a weak cartridge to begin with, ya better be REAL good with shot placement.

If the BG ended up in the morgue, where was the failure?

:confused:

orionengnr
September 12, 2006, 11:35 PM
well, people have been killed by .22s, and possibly by air rifles. Hell' people have been killed by rocks and sharp sticks.

None of them would be my first (second, third, fourth...) choice.

Most people have what they consider a "reasonable minimum" caliber.

From this thread, I'd say that hovers in the .380/38spl/9mm range for most. Some say .32.

YMMV.

Jim PHL
September 13, 2006, 12:10 AM
I had a KelTec .32 and when the .380's first came out I traded up and carried that for a while. Mine was accurate and reliable and, truly, nothing carries any easier. I just decided I was more comforatble with a treasury load then the best any .380 could offer me. I bought a 342 and 90%+ of the times I am carrying, that's what's in my pocket. (The other 10% +/- of the time it's a 3" 1911 IWB)

fiVe
September 13, 2006, 01:10 AM
S&W 642 in a Robert Mika round-cut, pocket holster.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/five610/DSCF0300.jpg

Stevie-Ray
September 14, 2006, 11:17 PM
Of you Kel Tec folks, did you have reliability issues?KelTec P-32. Not one single issue for me. Other than the trigger guard rubbing my finger raw on extended range sessions. But that's not a problem with CCW. Goes bang every time, and accuracy is adequate. It resides in a Uncle Mike's #1 in front pocket or rear.

Mac Attack
September 15, 2006, 09:51 AM
I bought my first generation P32 used from a friend of mine. It was carried much but hardly ever shot. When I received it I immediately did the fluff and buff and have not had a single problem with it after around 1k rounds.

The thing I like about the P32 is that it sits nicely in my pocket and is light enough that I forget it is even there. When I originally went to pocket carry I started off with an aluminum framed S&W 638 J-frame in a Kramer holster. I then switched to a DeSantis Nemesis for my J-frame but more often then not I left it at home because it weighed so much. I then tried a Llama .380 (miniature 1911) but it was just as heavy and at that point decided to try the P32. I am not a big fan of the small .32 ACP but am of the thought that something is better than nothing. The P32 is not a offensive firearm and should be used for up close and personal work. I can't group my P32 worth a darn but I can sure put all rounds on target relatively fast.

I used to carry my P32 with Hollow-Point Corbon's but after reading all the discussions of rimlock and stopping power of a .32 hollow-points vs. FMJ I decided that the benefit of a .32 HP was nill and now I carry Corbon FMJ's. No feed issues whatsoever, not that I ever had them. I carry my P32 whenever I do not carrying a IWB CCW.

revolvergeek
September 16, 2006, 12:33 AM
I pretty much live every day during the work week with a S&W 642 in a pocket holster in the front pocket of a pair of *pleated* Dockers or the thigh pocket in BDUs, and sometimes throw a MAA 22mag Mini in for good measure too.I can't do it with flat front trousers or jeans though.

I carried a P32 for a while until the hammer spring broke in my pocket and spooked me of it. I sometimes a Ber 21A, but it is not enough smaller than the j-frame to justify giving up all that power unless I am just working the yard or fishing, were a .22 might be more useful anyway.

Srigs
September 16, 2006, 01:28 AM
Kel-tec P32 or P3AT works much better form a pocket carry perpective IMHO. :)

Quinch
September 16, 2006, 02:39 AM
340 PD or SC.

Or a halfassed auto.

2cam2go
September 17, 2006, 01:22 PM
Kel Tec P3AT or P32 in a pocket holster that covers the trigger (in an empty front pocket), very comfortable to carry and nearly invisible. A S&W alloy J-frame is OK 99%, just more weight and size.:)

perpster
September 17, 2006, 03:14 PM
340 Sc. If I didn't know I don't have that blanket, and the caption didn't say 642, I'd think fiVe broke into my place and took my 340Sc and Mika round pocket holster! The 340Sc in Mika holster is EDC in anything--jeans or black tie, and can easily be carried in pocket without a holster, and without worrying about accidental discharge as much as with a semi-auto. Also, lint gumming up the works or getting knocked out of battery isn't as much of a concern with revolver as with s/a.

The 340Sc is so light that even dressed in tux and black tie with no belt it is NOT noticeable or annoying. I know, many have a problem with recoil. But with +P and even full house .357 magnum, I find it manageable. If SHTF you probably will too.

BTW, carry a Bianchi speed strip if speedloader would bulge.

TC-TX
September 17, 2006, 05:49 PM
Kel-Tec P32 or P3AT - NEVER a reliability OR a FTF issue with Either One...!

eng23ine
September 17, 2006, 09:35 PM
KelTec P3AT....shown here in a Grandfather oak kydex holster.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/eng23ine/grandfatheroak003.jpg

jayp
September 19, 2006, 07:20 AM
Another vote for S&W 642 alloy wheelgun with Kramer pocket holster. Easilly fits in front pocket of jeans or baggy shorts.

warmrain
September 20, 2006, 10:22 PM
All three are good choices as is the Kahr PM9 (if you can get a reliable one). It was a difficult pick and I've carried them all... The 342PD is a favorite though.

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