[B yond]

I'd like to see any customized Mosin-Nagants out there. I'll post pics of mine in a few days.

B

[jlacy]

Here is my M44 Truck gun.
Lots of wood removed. Bayo cut off.
Black Enamel painted.
Hand rubbed stock.
Mojo Sight. (cost more than the rifle)
Shoots about 3" groups of the bags at 100m.

It had a busted hand gaurd when I got it. So I just did the buba thing.
Jl

[B yond]

44709

44710

44711

She's an Izhevsk m44 with:
ATI synthetic stock
ATI scope mount
ATI bolt handle (cheap tap they sent me broke so I ended up welding it on)
UTG compact multi-function bipod
Tasco 3-9x40 scope
Saddle Mate sling

Could've been nicer but I was working on a very limited budget and the whole thing was less than $300. I blued the bolt as best I could, handle was stainless so it just got a little darker. Left the bayonet on just because I didn't want to deal with the headache of trying to get it off, besides, I might need to bayonet something. :D

[ID_shooting]

B yond, I just picked up an m44 I really don't want or like. I do like what you did though. What do you get for accuracy?

[Cosmoline]

just picked up an m44 I really don't want or like'

THEN GIVE IT TO ME :D

Please don't make the mistake of hacking up a perfectly good rifle. jlacy destroyed a very nice laminated stock. Most M-44's aren't particularly rare, but some are exceedingly so and rate a "10" on 54R's collectability scale. Just put the hack saw down and back away slowly!

If you don't like the existing stock, by all means swap it over to a synthetic stock. If you don't like the bayo, it takes a minute to unscrew it and pop it off. No problem. But please take the time to learn how to use iron sights and the straight bolt. Part of having vintage rifles is learning something new about how to shoot them. Trying to hack and slash them into something that operates more like the standard American bolt action hunting rifles you're used to sellls you and the rifle short.

[Jackal]

Mine is an origional, all matching m44, not a re-arsenal. I have not permanently altered the gun. The bolt is a new sniper style and i still have the origional. Accuracy in the scout config is about 1" at 50yds. At least thats the best i can shoot it. I also did a trigger job myself, and now i have a 4lb, creep free, ultra smooth trigger.

[B yond]

ID_shooting,

Before I put the bipod on I was getting 3" groups @ 100 yds propped up against a dead tree using surplus ammo. I'm hoping that the bipod will give me a little more accuracy but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. I've been told that the ammo I'm using, yellow-tipped with a green lacquered steel case, isn't particularly accurate as it was manufactured for use in machine guns. I had to polish the chamber with bore paste and steel wool to get it to let go of the casings when the lacquer got hot. Better ammo would probably help a lot.

[B yond]

That looks like a scope mount and NCstar scope combo I got off Ebay. The problem I had was the scope I was sent didn't have the extended eye relief needed to be useful in a scout configuration. Did you end up with the same problem?

[Texas Gunman]

I just picked up a like new m44 this past weekend (all matching numbers), not much into curios, but this one says it wanted to come home with me.
The seller did have another m44 sporterised, but it didnt appeal to me like the ole' war horse.

TG

[english kanigit]

...Photoserver wasn't working. :barf:

Finnish Mosin M39, 1944 SAKO.
http://www.PhotoServer.us/is.php?i=26153&img=Mosin-bayo-reco.jpg


http://www.PhotoServer.us/is.php?i=33936&img=Brian-mosin.jpg


:D


That isnt an original bayonet in the first picture though I do have one and she looks dead sexy... ;)


ek

[Cosmoline]

That's the spirit!

[jlacy]

Its not like I hacked a up a great colloctor.
It was a broken stock special from Centry. Hand gaurd broken and forend cap bent and broken.
Maybe I should have looked around for a $80-100 laminated stock to put on my $35 dollor broken stock special.
You would think since the post was about customized Mosins you wouldn't get so upset about a customized mosin.

Oh well. To each his own. It was a cheap fun project and shoots just fine.

You can call me "Buba" I don't mind.

jl

[R.W.Dale]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/HPIM0877.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/moisin1.jpg

[220_Swift]

jlacy- That is one fine looking rifle! I think you did a very nice job on it. And it looks a lot better then the synthetic numbers. JMHO

[monsternav]

I dislike Bubba-ing as much as the next Mil-Surp collector, but jlacys' rifle is right nice. I like it.
Anyway here is my 1942 M39, B barrel. Tula recever of some unknown pre-WWI manufacture (has an Austrian refurb mark).

[Cosmoline]

Its not like I hacked a up a great colloctor.

You don't know what you don't know. I've got what's left of a VERY collectible M-27 sitting in the corner. The previous owner got it for cheap years ago and figured it was just a junky old war rifle. He set about trying to "improve" it. Barrel hacked, rear sight removed, crooked scope mount screwed on, stock turned into an abomination, etc. So now it really is a worthless POS, instead of a rare variant with no "D" stamp or importer mark. Like I said there *ARE* rare M-44's out there. Rare combinations of dates and makers, rare stocks and rare stamps.

But beyond collecting, it bothers me that so many rifle shooters try to hack and slash old warhorses into something like a modern post-war American scoped hunting rifle. They don't know how to use the irons, so they hack them off. They don't know how to use the straight bolt so off it goes. Just open your mind a bit and learn how to use these machines as they were designed.

[jlacy]

I think it is a waste for a good rifle to hang on a wall or set in a safe.
I have many rifles. Most orignal, some "improved".

I shoot them all becuase it would be wrong not to.
I see nothing wrong with taking, U-fixems and broken stock rifles and making a good shooter out of them.

Byond- I like the looks of that. Great job.

[B yond]

Cosmoline,
I'm with jlacy, I think he made a fine working firearm out of an old broken one. I have nothing against collecting old war rifles, in fact I collect Mausers, but I have no problem at all with people taking old broken guns, or even older guns that would be more useful with a few upgrades, and improving them. In my case I wanted a project gun, so I bought a cheap m44 and started working on it. It wasn't anything rare or valuable, just collectible. The iron sights worked great, but I wanted a scope. The bright red wood stock was fine, but I wanted something weatherproof that wouldn't stand out in the woods. I didn't cut up the bolt because I couldn't use it, I cut it up because I needed a bent bolt to work under my scope mount and couldn't afford a new one.

Sure, Mosins are great just the way they are, but these custom ones are also great. Just different guns for different applications.

my $0.02

[Clipper]

...The whole point (for me) of buying those old guns is to see just how nice a finished product I can turn some old POS into. I was impressed with the accuracy of the last sporterized Mosin I had, 20 years ago (3/4" 100-yard groups), but since decent sporting ammo cost $17.00/box then, I sold it. So now I'm contemplating another Sako or Remington to do my own work on, since I'll have my own mill, surface grinder & lathe to do it with...

[Cosmoline]

If you're talking about a modern Sako or Remington, more power to you. If you're talking about an M-91 or M-39, you'll just be destroying the rifle and its value. Look at the legion of boneheads who hacked up Garands and Springfield '03's in the past generation, assuming they'd always be cheap surplus rifles. Already the prices on intact American made Mosins is shooting up because so many were hacked. Besides which they're a piece of history.

The bright red wood stock was fine, but I wanted something weatherproof that wouldn't stand out in the woods. I didn't cut up the bolt because I couldn't use it, I cut it up because I needed a bent bolt to work under my scope mount and couldn't afford a new one.

You can buy an excellent used stainless m-77 for a few hundred bucks, and save yourself all that time and effort. Fifty years ago when bolt guns were hard to come by and expensive stateside, it made some sense to try to sporterize vintage military rifles into faux hunting rifles with bent bolts and scopes. But today it's a fool's work.

[Clipper]

...Yeah, I'm talking about Sako and Remington contract Mosins :neener:

[kfranz]

and save yourself all that time and effort.

Some would argue that the time and effort involved is a large part of the enjoyment. Your posting the "don't ever hack anything any of the time" philosophy is the fools work.

[Cosmoline]

...Yeah, I'm talking about Sako and Remington contract Mosins

Why not hack up some CMP Garands while you're at it and make them into those kool "Tankers" with scope mounts screwed into the receiver. And painted black too! With rails up front. You can take that old POS Garand and make it into your own Super Kool SOCOM rifle :neener:

Please, if you really feel the need to chop things up do it to a rifle that's already been ruined or one with no historical value. There are plenty of parts gun 91/30's out there I don't cry too many tears over. But when you start cutting up laminated stocks or even worse slicing into Finns and American made Mosins you're really just screwing yourself and destroying important history.

[B yond]

But today it's a fool's work.

couldn't disagree with you more. I had a lot of fun hacking my mosin, and I get a lot more use out of it now. I think it would've been foolish to just stick it up on the wall and look at it when it could serve a practical purpose.

[Cosmoline]

I never said anything about sticking it on the wall. By all means use it. You can't hurt these rifles--UNLESS you start in with the hack saw. Shooting them, even shooting them a LOT, doesn't hurt them at all. Neither does taking them afield. They're tough customers. I just think you're doing yourself a disservice by trying to make these rifles into something you're familiar with instead of taking the time to learn how to shoot them on their terms.

For example, most American rifle shooters either never learned how to use iron sights properly or forgot long ago. If you leave the sights on the Mosin and leave the high powered scope on the Savage you can start to pick up this forgotten art. Particularly with an iron sight system like the M-39's, you begin to realize that you dont' have to be able to see a thing clearly to hit it square on the nose. You can also negate even long distances by learning how to use the tangents.

And most American rifle shooters learn how to shoot with a bent bolt rifle and to break the weld when they cycle. With these old war rifles, IF you leave them intact, you can learn to cycle the old way without breaking the weld and using your main arm muscles insead of your finger muscles. With an old Swede Mauser or SMLE you can get an amazing rate of fire going that way. And you start to see the advantages of straight bolt.

But if you hack and slash the old beasts into some scoped abomination that looks more like a Remchester, you'll never learn any of these things.

[Seancass]

i coulda sworn this thread was about posting pics....

[.45Guy]

Cosmoline: Here's an ethical question... What if you purchased a Tula 91/30 that someone had previosly hacked beyond repair for $45? Then would it be permissible to throw it in an ATI stock? BTW, this one retains the original rear sight, but has a really nice thin blade front.

[jlacy]

Cosmoline,
I would agree with you on the lost art of iron sights.
I love good iron sights.
That's one reason I took this broken rifle and make it in to something that I could use.
I needed a good quick target acquistion carbine. The issue sights on the M-44 do leave something to be desired. I put the mojo on it but have switched back and forth a few times.
I shot iron sights from the time I could hold the my old mans win. model 61 pump 22. (Maybe 6 years old) Moved on to a Marlin Model 60 with irons later becuase I thought auto was better. (Wrong)
My first "real rifle" was a 30-40 krag as issued at maybe 10 years old.
I wish I had that rifle now. I would have never changed that rifle.
I traded it to a cousin for a 94 Winchester in 30-30 when I was in highschool. The 94 was another great set of iron sights. Killed a lot of game with that rifle. Talk about a rate of fire.
I don't think I even shot a rifle with a scope on it until I was 16. Dad is old school.
I shot "High BRM" in basic with an iron sighted M16. By the time I left the Army/NG we had just started to be issued glass sights.
I have at least 15 rifles in the safe now. I think only 2 have glass on them.
One a M-77 in .257 bob. The other a Turk Mauser sporter project I did.

Hard to admit but one of the best sets of iron sights I have ever used is on a French Rifle. The 49/56. Those sights just seem to work. To bad ammo is expensive. Maybe conversion to 7.62 ...
Then I suppose we would be at odds again.

At least we agree on a person knowing how to use iron sights as a good thing.

jl

[B yond]

Cosmoline,
I have nothing against iron sights, in fact i have other rifles i shoot with iron sights, and I do know how to shoot using iron sights, and using a straight bolt. If that's what i wanted out of this mosin I wouldn't have changed it. I may even buy another and keep it as is.

The point is I wanted a project. I don't see why you'd assume that those of us who modify them can't use them without modifications.:banghead:

Maybe my eyesight isn't what yours is, but the scope helps me hit targets that i can't see without it. by modifying this rifle I've extended the range at which i can use it effectively. And don't say it's because i don't know how to use it, I just like to be able to clearly see what I'm shooting.

Is anyone going to post some more pics or has this thread become just another argument?

[karlsgunbunker]

My M38 (No permanent mods were made to this rifle)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/karlsgunbunker/M38Scout-02.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/karlsgunbunker/M38Scout-01.jpg

[Gord]

I'm not a fan of the LER/EER scope look, so if I ever scope a Mosin, it will be with an ATI scope mount and bolt kit. Oughta make a few people wince.

It's your money, do what you want with it. If that means screwing around with old milsurps to see what you can turn a clunker into, more power to ya. If it means hoarding dozens and hundreds of Makarovs and Mosins for preservation purposes instead of using them, more power to ya then, too.

Me, I'm in the "own and shoot" camp, and I'm not sure why some people think that every single xy ever produced should be put into cold storage. Yeah, old guns in original condition are cool, but we don't need to "preserve" all eight million of them... :rolleyes:

I'm mildly annoyed that while I can't find a Bulgie Mak to shoot and enjoy, there are probably a dozen people on Gunboards with 38 of them sitting in a bucket of axle grease at the back of their safes, waiting for all the rest to disintegrate so they can step up as the One True Collector and brag about having their gun in the Smithsonian.

Anyway, back to the actual topic.

Guys, how are the ATI stocks? I've heard that they're fairly cheap as far as fit and finish go - did yours require hand-fitting or futzing with? How are they holding up?

[Cosmoline]

Cosmoline: Here's an ethical question... What if you purchased a Tula 91/30 that someone had previosly hacked beyond repair for $45? Then would it be permissible to throw it in an ATI stock? BTW, this one retains the original rear sight, but has a really nice thin blade front.

It's always permissible, and often advisable, to have an ATI or other sporter stock to put the rifle in. I don't know who objects to that. My objections are with permanent alterations to the steel of the rifle or a fundamental hacking of the original stock.

Me, I'm in the "own and shoot" camp, and I'm not sure why some people think that every single xy ever produced should be put into cold storage. Yeah, old guns in original condition are cool, but we don't need to "preserve" all eight million of them.

Nobody here suggested you shouldn't shoot your rifles. Where did you get this idea? Shooting it is a far cry from hacking the bejesus out of it.

If you want to put a scope on it, fine! I've done it myself, but you can do it without hacking or drilling the rifle.

[MyRoad]

I have two M44's, one Russian in original condition, and one that came to me altered, and I continued working on it.

And yes, a Mosin was hurt during the filming of this rifle -- please don't alert PETM (People for the Ethical Treatment of Mosins), the Mosin was injured when I found it, although it will never be the same, I did nurse it back to usefulness as best I could.
:neener:

All kidding aside, I was looking for a short barrelled bolt gun, and also thinking about 'scout style' rifles, so this seemed like a great way to have some fun and build it. I have had a great time shooting it.

I had also hoped to take it deer hunting, but decided that the trigger, safety, and bolt are not really hunting worthy. If I had to I'm sure I could hunt with it, but it would not be an optimal experience. I share that because if anyone is thinking about making a Mosin into a hunting rifle, IMHO you could do better with a used hunting rifle.

In the spirit of the thread, here's a pic:
http://www.xlr8nrg.com/images2/m-n_scout2x.jpg

[english kanigit]

As much as I agree with Cosmoline about butchering a gun, that doesn't matter.


What does matter is that you bought it, and have modified your property to suit your needs.

I am downright fanatical about milsurps and will not hesitate to extoll the virtues of unmodified rifles. However, your choice is just that: your choice.

BTW, anyone who hacks up a Finn M27 or Winchester 1895 Russian will get slapped or worse.


ek

[White Horseradish]

Large part of the problem I have with folks "sporterizing" is that often the utility of the rifle isn't increased any.

For instance, I have seen many a Mosin with the bolt handle heated and bent over to make it look more "sporty" or "snipery". That actually makes it a lot harder to use because it shortens the lever and brings the ball too close to the stock to grasp. The ATI bolt handle has been known to fall off at exactly the wrong moment because the screw snapped. And IMNSHO, it really looks like crap.

What I don't understand is why it is possible to make a clamp-on mount for a Mauser that puts the scope in the standard position and not possible to do the same for a Mosin.

[B yond]

I was kinda concerned about the ATI bolt handle coming off, fortunately The tap they sent me broke off in the hole :uhoh: so I had to weld the handle on anyway.:)

I noticed after a few dozen rounds the action has scooted back a little in the ATI stock, has anyone else had this happen? It's still snug so I think it was just settling in with the recoil.

[bender]

I bought a Mosin back in the early 90s for $100. I don't even know what it is, has been in my safe unfired since then.

Here's a couple of crappy pics of it. can you guys tell me what model it is and around what year?

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/donn59/mosin_back.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/donn59/mosin_front-1.jpg

edit: looks like a M1891 according to my Military Small Arms of the 20th Century book. I don't have any of the Mosin books that have more info.

edit 2: cosmoline will be glad to know that the rifle is in beautiful shape, and I haven't done anything to it, and won't.

[.45Guy]

Looks Tsarist, pre 1917. Should have the date stamped on it.

[Cosmoline]

Finn M-91. No way is that a straight Czarist. That's a Finn or I'll eat my socks. Look at the pine tar finish and the sling swivels. Probably a Tikka rebuild ("T" in an upside down triangle on the barrel) from the 40's but if you're lucky it's earlier and worth more. Either way a C note is a heck of a good deal. If you take it apart you can see when and where the receiver was built by looking at the underside of the tang. Lots of them were built on true antique receivers, even dating back to the early years when the Russians farmed the work out to the French.

You were wise to leave it intact. If you want to take it afield I'd suggest removing the handguard and setting it aside because it's not a terribly sturdy design. They're gripped onto the barrel by little brass strips pinched by the bands which also effects accuracy somewhat. They can get torn off by a good blow, and the design was improved with later Mosins. Many of the M-91's stateside lost their handguards in long ago wars so a matching one is a good find. Remember though that the bands are unscrewed the "wrong" way--lefty tighty.

[Gord]

Nobody here suggested you shouldn't shoot your rifles. Where did you get this idea? Shooting it is a far cry from hacking the bejesus out of it.

Apologies - none of my post was aimed at you. :) I, too, prefer to preserve my milsurps in original configuration but I don't understand some of the more fanatical guys who think that every single firearm of a certain sort should be locked up in an airtight vacuum box for the eternal lookie-lookie enjoyment of no one in particular.

I have three Mosins myself, going to pick up my 4th tomorrow - first one had its stock sanded due to looking horrible and being covered with gunk I didn't know how to get out at the time, the others are (and will stay) untouched, unless this 91/30 is exceedingly accurate... then it may get an ATI synth stock and scope mount/bolt kit. Truth be told, I'm okay with drilling and tapping for the mount, but the thought of hacking up the bolt gives me pause.

I'll be right there with you crying over a Finn or Remington getting bubba'd, but I'm not going to shed any tears if history loses one serial number out of 500,000 for any given year of Izhevsk production.

[bender]

I measured the mosin after I posted. Its 51.25" if that tells anybody anything.

[foghornl]

My 1954 Vintage Romanian M-44. Wears an "Allen" brand hunting sling (< $3 at Wally-World close-out) with a couple of $1.99 real genuine small dog collars, and a Butler Creek < $10 slip-on recoil pad.

Ammo pouches and stripper clips from Tapco.

[BusMaster007]

No pix to share yet, but...

I was given an old M-N that had a bent bolt handle; the wood stock had been chopped down; and the magazine floorplate had been screwed in :what: .
The wood stock is cracked, but it looks like a shooter.

I also bought an M-N 91/30 that is in 'OK shape' with the straight-out bolt handle.

I haven't fired either one - yet.

What I did decide to do was get another floorplate for the shorty; get an ATI stock; get the rear-sight scope mount; and I had the bolt-handles switched out.

Now, the 'shorty', whatever its origins are, will be strictly one of the 'truck gun' or 'SHTF' types of fun guns.
The 91/30 looks way better with the turned-down bolt handle, and I can consider fixing her up with a Russian scope someday, making for a nice looking range gun.

Looks like the ATI stock is a good choice.

[Cosmoline]

Here's a laminated 91/30 from 1937, Izhevsk Arsenal and a Nagant 1895, also from 1937. I just picked up the pair. Onward, Comrades!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/1937-1.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/1937-3.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/1937-2.jpg

[bender]

Further info on my M-91 up in post #37. Any identification help appreciated, since I don't have one of those Mosin collector books.

Rifle is 51.25" long. Straight bolt handle. The bolt has a very large "S" on it, and then a smaller 5 digit number 25xxx. The flip-up rear sight is marked (on the flipup part) with numbers going up to 32 on the left side, and 31 on the right side.

There are many markings on top on the receiver behind the rear sight. There's a couple of symbols, I guess you would say crests, with something like "II K" underneath them. Also there is a bow & arrow symbol. There's 2 lines of wording in some foreign-looking letters... and there's a couple of "SA"s stamped too.

any help appreciated.

[Gonefission]

and there's a couple of "SA"s stamped too.


I believe that makes it Finish

[Cosmoline]

That makes it a Finnish capture, at least. But the description of the two lines of words sound Czarist so it might not be a full rebore. Before getting too excited what we really need is a PRECISE description of exactly what symbols and words are on the barrel shank and the receiver. Most of all what are the dates and brand marks in the center. The markings on the bolt, sights and elsewhere are not as important. Those may well be borrowed parts from other rifles long gone.

[bender]

I tried to take some close pics with my digital camera, but it won't focus that close. Here's the best one...

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/donn59/mosin_markings.jpg

the little thing behind the crest, in the middle of the flat area on top of the receiver, is a crown on top of something...can't tell...

you can see the bow & arrow symbol on the round part of the receiver right in front of the flat part. The arrow is pointed forward toward the rear sight. The crest, or coat of arms, or whatever it is, right behind the rear sight looks like the same symbol as the one on the flat area. You can't see the two lines of letters at all, but they are in the middle of the rounded top of the receiver, between the first crest behind the rear sight and the bow & arrow. There's a number between the 2 lines of letters and the bow & arrow also (88xxx)

[Cosmoline]

That's a good find. It's an Izhevsk arsenal Russian M-91 that was probably in Finnish hands after the revolution and was restocked and had a new rear sight put on but no new barrel. I haven't seen too many of these. The captured 91/30's are a lot more common.

What's the date on there? It should be four digits with a small symbol at the end right above the SN. And are there "D" bore stamps on it? There may also be a "41" stamp on it.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/Izhevskbarreltop.jpg

[bender]

hey, cosmoline, I found that mosin site right before I saw your post. I also identified the markings just like you did. Yes that is like mine.

The date is 1894r

[Cosmoline]

Now that's a good find! You should go check your tang date and make sure that it has a "94" in there, as I'm sure it will. If so you have a true antique, for starters. It's odd that the Finns would have left the barrel on an old rifle like that, and I suspect it means the bore was unusually good quality. 1894 was only the second year that arsenal made any Mosins at all. They made fewer M-91's than Tula or Sestoryetsk at that point, and were the small arsenal of the big three. By WWII that situation changed and they made more Mosins than Tula. Exactly how rare your rifle is, it's hard to say. In some respects it may be unique, in the sense that you would probably not be able to find another Izy. M-91 from 1894 with its original barrel but a Finnish stock. I'd encourage you to share your find over on the collector's forum where the *real* Mosin experts hold sway.

http://www.gunboards.com/forums/

BTW, check around the receiver and barrel band for little pips in a row--little dents. I believe these are Finnish metal strength test marks and I've seen them on most captures that they took the time to stick in a new stock. I'd be curious to see if they did it with yours.

[bender]

maybe it'll make you feel better... I think it cost something like $149, not "$100 even" now that I'm thinking about it. I bought it way back in early 90s.

I was on a coin-buying trip in another city, and there happened to be a small gun shop in the same strip center as a coin shop I visited... saw it on the wall, it looked real old and in great shape... bought it on the spur of the moment. Didn't know anything about mosins or the markings or anything. I just love old guns :)

now I need a Mauser... in 20 years of being a gun hobbyist, I never picked one up yet.

[Cosmoline]

The fun thing about buying old rifles is the fantastic deals you can often get. You've exhausted the extent of my knowledge on yours so I'd suggest going over to the collector's forum to get more input.

[bender]

If I decide I want more mosins, I'll probably pick up the collector's book. Guy named Lapin, costs $19.95.

Don't think I had to do any paperwork on this one, because of the antiquity I guess.

[Jack19]

Bender, take this test. :D

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinID.htm

[tyesai]

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3263/picture231ym7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Friends shouldn't let friends "refinish" M44 after a 12 pack of beer.:D

I don't care, I like it and so did 3 other people at the range today. I have no intention of doing that to the 91/30.

[Cosmoline]

Is that stock... grilled?? :D :D What sauce did you use?

[tyesai]

Is that stock... grilled??

I've heard that a dozen or more times, be original.:neener: :D :neener:

[R.W.Dale]

I've heard that a dozen or more times, be original.

In that case you should realize that to everybody else your rifle appears to be medium well done:barf:

[tyesai]

In that case you should realize that to everybody else your rifle appears to be medium well done


Don't be jealous, it isn't easy to do great art like that.:)

[R.W.Dale]

Don't be jealous, it isn't easy to do great art like that

Please!:fire: I've seen better works of art on the inside walls of Job Johnnies.

BTW: propane torches work great for all kinds of things..... Stock refinishing isn't one of them.

[tyesai]

I hope you aren't taking me to seriously. I was half lit, bored and wanted to play, I turned an eighty dollar gun into a thirty dollar gun.

I do like it. Lots don't and I don't care. It shoots about 6moa with about 1 flyer for every 5 using surplus ammo. The greatest thing about it is that it is obnoxiously loud and after I let some go people often ask, "what the hell is that thing? and why is it so loud?"

I love it.

[Clean97GTI]

its even more fun telling them that the ammo is corrosive enough to eat the paint off their car and that you clean it with windex.

Those not in the know give you the strangest looks. :eek:

[Cosmoline]

dd

[MinScout]

There is'nt much you can do with a Mosin to make it pretty, so you might just as well leave it stock.

[Roc_Kor]

1924 M91/30 Soviet Ex-Dragoon Mosin-Nagant^^b
She was quite a steal for $100. All matching numbers, too! (Bayonet doesn't match, but oh well. ^^b)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Roc_Kor/Mosin-Nagant2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Roc_Kor/MosinReceiver.jpg

[Mauserguy]

Here are a few odd Mosins.
Mauserguy

[Eightball]

Don't be jealous, it isn't easy to do great art like that.Don't you mean it isn't easy to grill art like that? :D

Anyone know anything about MinScout's MN? It intrigues me greatly....looks more like an Enfield than a Mosin.

And where are the rest of the "modded" mosin pictures, like the OP wanted? :scrutiny:

[bartsimpson123844]

Here's my '39 Izhevsk(all matching #'s) 91/30 that I got at a gun show for $100. I polished the bolt and added a scout mount and 2-7X32 NcStar EER scope.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/bartsimpson123844/DSCF0073.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/bartsimpson123844/DSCF0071-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/bartsimpson123844/DSCF0087-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/bartsimpson123844/DSCF0088-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/bartsimpson123844/DSCF0077.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/bartsimpson123844/DSCF0098.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/bartsimpson123844/DSCF0102-2.jpg

[Mr White]

Nothing customized. Just a few MNs. I agree with Cosmoline about accepting and loving old milsurps for what they are rather than trying to make them into something they're not.

47371

From the top,
M39, unmarked receiver, 1942 FN barrel
M28, 1913 Izhevsk receiver, SIG barrel
M28, 1905 Tula receiver, SIG barrel
M44, 1946 Izhevsk receiver

[dispatch55126]

The barrel, bolt, magazine and butt plate have matching numbers. Unfortunetely, the bayonet does not.

[MJ]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/bkt018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/bkt022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/m39001.jpg

Heck the where under $90

Cheers
:neener:
MJ

[Cosmoline]

Excellent rifles as usual, MJ! I'm even more convinced you have a time machine on hand.

Mr. White--are those two M28's I'm seeing? Fantastic! Now there's a "cruddy old rifle" for you! LOL

[MJ]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/pudis0005.jpg

Time machine? If I had one I would be doing my first love.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/69aaa.jpg

:neener:
MJ

[dispatch55126]

Are those original sniper rifles?!?

[MJ]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/pudis0003.jpg

:neener:
MJ

[dispatch55126]

Very, very nice.

[Mr White]

Mr. White--are those two M28's I'm seeing? Fantastic! Now there's a "cruddy old rifle" for you! LOL

Yes they are, Cosmoline. I got the Izhevsk for $100 from a little gun shop where the owner thought it was just another Russian 91/30. I didn't bother to tell him otherwise. He had a bunch of overpriced guns there so I didn't feel too bad about taking him for a few $$. It has s really clean bore and it shoots under 2 MOA. At 300 yd with 150gr S&B, it'll shoot 5" groups all day long from prone.

I just got the Tula about a month ago at an auction and haven't shot it yet. The bore doesn't look as good as the other one. I've been cleaning it and every time I soak it, scrub it and swab it, I still remove crud.

There's really nothing pretty about Mosins but they sure do shoot. I love the smooth 2 stage triggers on the Finns.

[Mauserguy]

Okay, here is my submission.
Mauserguy