[CB900F]

Just an open question to the membership. Who, besides me, would like to see Kahr bring out a hammer fired gun? For all those who want to ask 'why' please just put a cork in it & post it on another thread. It's intuitive - if you don't understand, you can't understand. Sort of like trying to explain the purpose of the 2nd amendment to Rosie.

Thanks, 900F

[Gewehr98]

But could you imagine the amount of work that would have to go into the redesign?

And what flavor of hammer-fired? SA? DA? DAO? Where will the safety be mounted? I think the beauty of the current Kahrs is their simplicity, and the elegance inherent in that simplicity. I'm a big fan of my old K9, and that's saying a lot from a died-in-the-wool 1911 person.

[Andrew Wyatt]

a cocked hammer would make it longer, and a safety would make it wider, for not much of a tangible benefit. if i wanted a fill size holster pistol, i'd just carry my 1911, which is what i do.

[Gary A]

I also prefer hammer-fired pistols but a Kahr with a hammer would be an entirely different design. The Smith 39xx series is close but larger. The P239 is larger. The Kel-Tec fits the size category and is hammer-fired but...I doubt you would consider it in the same quality class. The new CZ Rami should be interesting if it ever is available. All steel, hammer-fired. Probably thicker through the grip than the Kahr. I don't have any pistols in that class but would probably pick the P239 for myself. I'd like to see one of the new FN double-action Hi-Power compacts.

[Handy]

A hammer and either decocker or safety could be added without much change in the pistols size. Use a P99 decocker or the safety used on that tiny Russian .22 (Special guest at the range thread).

However, the grip would get bigger to accomodate the mainspring, which is currently in the slide.

If you want to see how trim a hammered gun can be, look at a 70 year old Tokarev.

[CB900F]

Fella's;

After all, the Kahr T-9 is big enough to accomodate the changes, and still smaller/slimmer than the H&K USPc I'm carrying now. I'd like to think about getting a 'summer' gun. I'm impressed by the Kahr's reputation for quality & reliability, but it'll be a late day etc. before I carry a striker-fired carry gun. And I'd like it to be a USA product.
900F

[Mike Irwin]

Well, I don't understand your adversion to a striker-fired gun, by viva la difference, as the Frogs say.

But, to answer the question, the sole reason I got my Kahr is because it is hammerless, so no, I wouldn't be particularly interested in it.

I'm assuming that you mean Kahr bringing out a hammer version of their K9/P9/T9 type guns, right?

[Snowdog]

It's intuitive - if you don't understand, you can't understand.

Right....

Why? ;)

When I purchased my K9 as my first CCW handgun, it was after a tight race with a Sig P239. I figured, besides being more ergonomic in my opinion, that the striker-fired option was intrinsically more reliable when firing close to clothing, something likely to encounter in an emergency draw.

I wouldn't mind if Kahr offered something with a hammer, as all their K or P products tend to be excellent examples of quality firearms, but I don't think I'd seriously consider it for carry (my K9 will probably be my mainstay CCW handgun 'till I die).

[MacPelto]

I'm pretty sure that they make the Auto-Ordnance 1911's...which are hammer fired.;)

That being said, I don't think a hammer is necessary, just a shorter trigger reset! I would love a kahr with a glock/xd trigger, or a real single action trigger.

[CatsDieNow]

It's intuitive - if you don't understand, you can't understand.
Well, no it's not intuitive. I had no idea there was even such an animal as a hammerless handgun. I guess I thought it was internal or something. Single-action, double action only and the like are still a big mystery to me. That's why I read these forums - to learn things.

I may be temporarily ignorant, but I'm not stupid. :mad:

[bad_dad_brad]

I do love CatsDieNow's innocence. Just an observation. One of the all time great internet monikers as well. I really like cats though. I don't like it when they die. Sounds cool nevertheless.

I am a big fan of quality striker fired pistols like the Glock and Kahr. They seem so modern, but striker fired firearms have been around a long time. A bolt action rifle for instance, is essentially a striker fired weapon.

In a pistol, there are a lot of advantages. A Kahr is a Kahr because it is striker fired, as is a Glock. It is inherent in the design. I don't think you will ever see these pistols firing with a hammer.

Although shrouded revolvers have hammers, the weapon is un-encumbered by that hammer, which is just one more thing to catch on clothing. For concealed carry, I like a hammerless striker fired pistol or hammer concealed revolver design. Just my preference.

For CatsDieNow, here is an attached exploded view of a Glock, a similar mechanism to a Kahr's. No hammer. Just a striker and a spring.

[amprecon]

Another vote for striker fired...........wait, there's no poll here! Anyway, I think it's more personal preference than anything else. Maybe I won't understand the fascination with hammers, but I do know, the Glock goes bang when I pull that trigger.
I like it's lack of controls and simplicity, which seems goes hand-in-hand with these types of weapons.

[CB900F]

Bad_Dad_Brad;

Torn between maintaining the 'high road' & swinging for the fences, when all of a sudden - it aint necessary anymore. Thanks
900F

[WhoKnowsWho]

No thanks, I think Kahr and think striker fired... it would be like picking up a striker fired revolver or something... I think the shrouded hammers look funny enough, though functionally, they are great.

A Kahr with a hammer would add more parts, mating surfaces, and mass. I have plenty of other hammer guns.

[9x19]

Not for me, striker fired works if properly designed, as my Kahr K9 and various Glocks well prove.

What about the "Needlessly Overpriced Rohrbaugh"? Is it striker fired as well?

IF so, take a look at the Firestar. :D

[M1911]

I've got 3 Kahrs and 2 Glocks. While I prefer 1911s, that's not because they are hammer-fired. The strikers on the Kahrs and Glocks work just fine. I don't care for the Glock trigger, but the striker works fine.

I can't imagine either Kahr or Glock making a weapon that has a hammer.

[Handy]

One of the main advantages of the Kahr line is the offset feed ramp, which allows the trigger bar to travel higher and further in than other designs.


This is not so much a striker/hammer debate. All I think CB900F was after is, "Wouldn't it be cool if a someone made a gun like a Kahr that worked like a Sig?". And since Kahr has a patent on the offset ramp, they would have to be the ones to do it.

Borrowing the Kahr barrel and using the P99 decocker and the mousetrap mainspring of the BDM or Steyr GB, it would indeed be possible make a gun that works like a Sig 239, but is much smaller and thinner. If that doesn't appeal to you, fine, but it probably makes alot of sense to some of us.

I'd love a cockable DA/SA the size of a MK9. You would have a light SA for accurate shooting, and a little heavier DA trigger for safe carry. I sold my MK9 because the trigger was neither fish nor foul - it wasn't fun to shoot, and required a holster to carry.