Gun dumb man! what stupid people have said about guns


May 11, 2003, 08:33 PM
What are the stupidest things you've heard someone say about guns? This is a follow up to the other thread, which had me in stitches. Here's my two.

"Oh yeah, the desert eagle. Thats the one that fires 3 times at once, right?"

"Yeah, the M60. Gotta love those .50 cal machine guns."


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May 11, 2003, 09:54 PM
"why would you need a gun?
you have the police"
kinda off topic a little but still dumb

May 11, 2003, 10:07 PM
very dumb.. very dumb indeed....

Art Eatman
May 11, 2003, 10:38 PM
I knew a gunsmith who built up an Ackley Improved '06. He swore he could hold on a deer's back at 600 yards and hit the heart. He got mad when I asked how high he moved up for the second shot which actually hit the heart. :D

Or the guy who came to my uncle, complaining about the sight-in on his scope. He'd missed a deer at "300 yards". He got plumb irate when my uncle sat down at the 100-yard benchrest to check the rifle: "Yeah, that's 300 yards!" Yes, well...

And the oldster who'll tell you, "Aw, you can't hit anything with one of them Colt Ottomatics!"

:), Art

May 12, 2003, 11:56 AM
I was at a gun shop this past weekend and while waiting for the dealer to get on with my paperwork there were a few people to my right examining an AK. The person examining the rifle, about 5'5"-5'6" 225-250#, made the comment, "Do these kick as bad as the AR? Cuz I know them things will knock you on your (butt)."

Had to think about baby seals being clubbed to keep from laughing.

Mr. Bombastic
May 12, 2003, 12:25 PM
Girlfriend: "Guns are bad".

Me: "How can guns be bad? They are innanimate objects. Only sentient creatures can be either good or bad. Why do you think guns are 'bad'?

Girlfriend: "Because guns are designed to kill people".

Me: "So do you think swords are bad too?".


Me: "That doesn't make much sense now does it"?

Girlfriend: "FASCIST!".


I think I'm slowly winning her over!

Mike Irwin
May 12, 2003, 12:36 PM
The .280 Remington is vastly superior ballistically to the .270 Winchester...

May 12, 2003, 12:51 PM
If calling you a fascist is progress, I'd hate to see where she started at. :uhoh:

Anyways, lesee here...

I once had a fellow insist that, while in the Air Force, he learned to hit targets at three hundred (300!) meters with the Beretta 9mm pistol. No, I'm not making this up. Also talked about how he thought it was ironic that the military issues a handgun that has more stopping power than the issue rifle.

Uh...5.56mm is no powerhouse as far as rifle rounds go but it beats 9x19mm 124grn in my book. I also asked him about the elevation required to hit a target at 300m with a 9mm round with a nominal muzzle velocity of 1150-1200 fps...

May 12, 2003, 12:56 PM
Well just to give you an idea. The Beretta 92 has a barrel that is slightly tipped downward. If you aim at a target 200 yards out and level the sights the bullet will hit the dirt halfway out.

(Just by coincidence I tried this yesterday :D )

May 12, 2003, 01:01 PM
I'm not saying it's impossible, but anyone who thinks that 9x19 is more powerful than 5.56x45 probably doesn't have enough weapons skill to accomplish a 300 meter shot with a 9mm pistol with fixed sights.

May 12, 2003, 01:07 PM
I'm still trying to find load data for the .357sig plus-plus-P-plus-plus, that certain LE agencies apparently use.

Closest thing I can find is called "double charge".

May 12, 2003, 01:48 PM
Man... I though I read an article where most folks in the Air Force 'qualify' by shooting either a 38 Smith, a 1911 or an M9 at 25 meters... As I recall, they had to get about 6 shots in the 10 ring out of 25 shots.

And I've done a fair amount of shooting my M9 wannabe Taurus PT99 at 50, 75 and 100 yards and believe you me... that 100 yard target is a heck of a challenge... even for someone with quite a bit of experience of 100 yard pistol shooting. I think at 300 meters, it would have at least 50 ft/lbs of energy remaining or just barely enough so the target might realize he was hit with something. :p

I have met a fair number of shooter that don't seem to know the difference between feet and yards. Makes me wonder how they ever hit anything past 100 yards with a shotgun slug. :rolleyes:

May 12, 2003, 01:56 PM
Woman at gun shop, "I want a small gun because it has less recoil." While looking a a full sized Glock to a Compact Glock, both in 9mm.

Over heard at a fast food place:
Guy number one, "So what caliber is an M60?"
Guy number two, "M60, well that would be a 60mm."

Baba Louie
May 12, 2003, 02:09 PM
After watching me shoot the Poly-Tech 762 for a while, the infamous "What does anyone need one of those things for anyway?"

My pat answer is the old, "If I have to explain the 2nd amendment to you, you won't understand anyway"


May 12, 2003, 02:16 PM
I said, "After I get my C&R license, I'll still have money ... "

May 12, 2003, 02:29 PM
I shoot trap and ipsc for my local gunshop and I'll show a few guns now and then to customers and one time this rather tall man came in about 6'4" 250lbs african american, and he said "yo, I wanna glock 9" I said "ok sir, do you have a specific model you want?" he replied "nah man jussa glock 9, like dat one!" (pointing to a kimber 1911) before I could think of something to say about his ignorance he then pointed out one of those mossberg shotguns with the pistol grip and the air cooled 18" barrel and said "aw man I want one uh those" and asked if he could hold it, before I could react one of the employees at the shop asked him if he was a felon and he replied "yea man I just got out for assault with a deadly weapon and aggravated assault" the employee quickly asked him to leave...

it amazes me how ignorant and apathetic some people could be. and then to have the nerve to call a kimber a glock! ....people these days....:banghead:

May 12, 2003, 02:41 PM

Oh! So that's a glock. You know, those things are made out of ceramic. Go right thru a metal detector.

:me: :banghead: :cuss: :fire:

May 12, 2003, 04:14 PM
"Desert eagle never made a 357 and never will the Germans would never stand for it"

Overheard at an indoor range. About 3 of us stepped back to see who was saying this all holding our mouths.:barf:

The lady wearing a leather jacket that said to me its wrong to kill animals for humanistic gains.

I did not challenge her, it would be against my morals to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

May 12, 2003, 04:15 PM
I heard this on The History Channel, they were doing a history of the guns of WWII and they had a vet talking about the Colt .45. He said that most people couldn't shoot the 1911 very well because they shot it from the hip and the right way to shoot a .45 is to "come down on your target. Yuo can't miss". What the heck does that mean?

I have seen this vet before on other History Channel shows and he never sounded stupid before. Just because he was a Ranger (or whatever) doesn't make him an expert on everything.

Did anyone else see this guy?

Mike Irwin
May 12, 2003, 04:22 PM
He wasn't sounding dumb. He was just a man of his times.

"coming down on the target" mean to sweep the sights down across the target, settle the gun and aim, and then pull the trigger.

That used to be a fairly common theory and practice for target shooting, that you got a steadier, more natural hold if you dropped the gun down onto the target instead of bringing it up. Supposedly the muscles used to stop the descent of the gun did a better job of holding the gun than using the muscles that controlled the rise yadda yadda yadda...

So no, he wasn't sounding stupid.

If you go to a match with some older (even some younger) shooters, you'll see some of them using this technique.

May 12, 2003, 04:28 PM
yea I saw that guy, it sounded wierd to me at first but he knew what he was talking about... I clarified it with my grandpa who is a koren and veitnam war vet.

May 12, 2003, 04:33 PM
come down on your target

Well, after your first shot, where is your gun going to be?

Sure ain't gonna be below the target, with recoil.

Apple a Day
May 12, 2003, 05:55 PM
Coming down on the target:
My father does the same thing. He was in the Air Force between Korea and Vietnam. He'll let the muzzle slowly drop across the target, then squeeze. Not really my style but it works okay for him.

Captain Scarlet
May 12, 2003, 06:36 PM
I was looking at AK's in a Califonia gunstore before they got
banned and another customer walks up and starts talking about
his AK47, he says his was converted to "FULL AUTO" ! then he
says he almost got shipped out to Vietnam but by the time his
unit was ready to go the US started pulling out of Vietnam.

I noticed there is always some jerk that starts saying his gun is
Full Auto? must be an undercover BATF agent trying to make a
conversation? I hear this bs all the time at gunshows. :cuss:

May 12, 2003, 06:45 PM
I work with a guy who claims to have been in the Navy and to have shot the "military version" of the 5.56. Apparently it's different than the civilian version, a 95gr bullet or some crap like that. Same guy also claimed to have jumped from the deck of an aircraft carrier into the water while at port.:rolleyes:

May 12, 2003, 11:39 PM
The M-16A2 is capable of underwater firing, and the SKS is a very unrelible, problematic rifle.

2nd Amendment
May 13, 2003, 03:34 PM
I noticed my dad does that same thing, coming down on the target. Was Corp in the late 50's to mid 60's and learned it there, so I started tinkering with it...and I'm not sure. I do seem to shoot a little better... *shrug*

May 13, 2003, 05:37 PM
I going to have to try coming down on my target also. Hey, if it works, great. I am allways open to new things that might improve my shooting. I just thought it sounded like BS because I have never heard of any modern self defense technique like this.

May 14, 2003, 02:41 AM
That's because as you're coming down on the target, you're obscuring it from your view. That's bad if the target is trying to kill you. :)

It's also wasted movement to draw your sidearm from your belt and bring it up and past the line of sight to the target, only to bring it back down again to get your sight picture. Poor efficiency.

May 14, 2003, 06:21 AM
My favorite was the esteemed Ms. Fienstein. During the debate over the assault rifle ban she was explaining why those scary looking rifles were more dangerous than "normal" rifles.

"The assault rifle can be fired from the hip while other rifles are aimed from the shoulder".

I don’t remember if somebody asked her why you couldn’t fire a regular rifle from the hip or aim an assault rifle from the shoulder. If they did I’m sure her answer exhibited as much logic as her first statement.

May 14, 2003, 07:08 AM
Sports Afield did an upland hunting segment several years ago and bemoaned the shortage of production 16 gauge shotguns, saying somehting to the effect of the major gun makers deemed the 16 "too perfect, with no room for improvements or enhancements", making it unprofitable to produce...:confused:
That's logic for you: you perfect an item, then discontinue it because you can't profit from correcting its defects or shortcomings.

May 14, 2003, 07:47 PM
In the mid 1950's I was in the USMC.
After qualifying with the M-1 rifle (I shot expert, BTW - Just had to brag), our company was given a familiarization run with the 1911A1 and the BMG.
The instructor told us to aim at the top of the silhouette target, and squeeze the trigger while slowly coming down on the target. His point was that we would be much more likely to hit a vital area with this method, especially with an unfamiliar weapon.
45 Colt

May 14, 2003, 08:10 PM
After buying my first glock i had to show my dad. The first thing he said was "wow look at that finish, you know they do that so you don't have to wipe off finger prints, you can't find finger prints on that finish". :uhoh:


May 15, 2003, 12:14 AM
"I don't see why people buy assault weapons and nuclear arms for fun, a family could have a domestic incident that could get out of hand and they may use those weapons." — Canadian Prime Prime Minister Jean Chretian

(I have searched high and low on the internet trying to find either a printed source for this quote or some indication that it's bogus. So far, I haven't found either. It just sounds stupid enough to be true...)

May 15, 2003, 12:25 PM
Overheard by a gunshop employee "if you shoot them with a 9mm, they will eventually bleed out" ***, this was in comparison to the .40 cal a customer was looking at when he asked the difference. I forget the employees exact words, but he made it sound like if you shot they with a .40 they would die instantly, but if you shot them with the 9mm it would take much longer. What an idiot.

May 15, 2003, 06:27 PM
Anything that comes out of Feinstien's mouth.

May 15, 2003, 08:51 PM
customer: "Do you have the guns that shoot the bullets that kill people?"

clerk: "No sir... I'm sorry, but you have to be law-enforcement or military for one of those. We only carry the type that make holes in paper..."

May 16, 2003, 12:36 AM
former roommate: "The AK-47 is such a crappy weapon."

me: "What do you mean?"

fr: "You can't hit anything with it and it jams all the time."

me: "It jams all the time?"

fr: "Yeah, I know some people that fired some once and they couldn't even get a shot off."


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