[huws]

what is the Future Soldier Weapon System?please give explanation .-------------asked by the Future Soldier Weapon Design Expert :neener:

[TexasRifleman]

The Democrats have this one in mind when they take office. They have been working on it for years.

http://www.blossomswap.com/images/flower-pictures/400/daisy.jpg

Here's President Hillary addressing the troops.

http://www.inminds.co.uk/R_pentagon.jpg

You didn't really want this to be a serious discussion did you?:evil:

[huws]

I :cuss: didn't really want this to be a serious discussion

[ozwyn]

Well.. I think most of the ideas we have in our head as to what it should be won't happen.

figure most solider weapon systems are based on:
1) the last war (which would be the current insurgency conflict)
2) best guess on the next war

Most of the stuff on the drawing board seems to have been thought up ion response to the 1991-2 gulf war. Lots of high tech bits designed to be extra smart, extra fancy and oh-so-slick for coordinating battlefield information.

In other words, a lot of stuff which may be prone to failure with current generation electronics, and of mixed-to-no value in a situation with a lot of close urban fights, ambushes, suicide attacks with a eye on budget concerns.

I would argue that for the kid of fighting this current war entails, the rifle may not be the first or even fifth item on the list of tools to upgrade. Development dollars are better spent in more practical (lightweight, effective) personal body armor, more improvements in first aid technologies, threat identification capabilties(any technology that can identifiy an insurgent from a civilian effectively would be pure gold right now), etc.

that's my wild guess.

[orangelo]

Do a search for Project Manager Soldier Weapons. They are the eggheads of the Dept of Defense and they work with manufacturers to design/build all kinds of neat gear.

There's talk about a powered exoskeleton/armor for US soldiers that would also increase their strength. Enough to carry 250 lbs of gear along with a man-portable version of the XM307 25mm cannon.

Here's a small pdf article from Small Arms Review on PMSW.
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/GIguns.pdf

These guys at JSSAP are working on a lightweight replacement for the old M60 and M249 light MGs.
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/spieg.ppt
The new design will make use of lightweight materials like titanium and may use caseless or polymer cased ammunition to reduce weight.
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004arms/session6/spiegel.ppt

Who needs spies any more when the DoD puts all this good stuff on the internet?

[ozwyn]

I am still abit skeptical on the exoskeleton idea and some of the titanium ideas.

One, titanium is so much lighter than steel you end up with more recoil and therefore less control over a weapon on full auto. Its not that new and not really that sensible a choice of material to work in either, particularly given some of the manufacturing issues known to occur with the stuff.

Two, if the government doesn't want to spend 1500 a soldier for current tech body armor, why would it invest 100k+ per soldier in a effective exoskeleton system? (not to mention maintenance issues, repair costs, and the price of battlefield system failures)

three, caseless ammunition has been tried a few times and dropped a few times for a number of reasons. (cost, sensitivity to hostile conditions, etc)

Unless there is a revolutionary breakthrough in both the technology itself and economical manufacturing in military scale, I think those are all dead ends.

[Steamship Trooper]

Based on my recent expereince, the next soldiers weapon will be digitized, weigh about 100 lbs (90 of it battery), Microsoft compatible, and will enable the REMFs to turn off the Joe's weapon when the integral camera doesn't show the ROE compatible image :)

The soldiers weapon in the war after that will probably be a sharp rock on a stick...

[up_onus]

rail guns? lasers? microwaves? in the distant, or even not so distant future, i see all 3...

[Phil DeGraves]

Considering the PC Police & Politicians, the only weapon we wil have is a Arab/English dictionary with the phrase "Why can't we all just get along?" Oh yeah, and the words to Kum By Ya in Arabic.

[trainwreck100]

Personally, I don't like the idea of having any electronics on board like many of the ones on Discovery's FutureWeapons do. Think about how often computers freeze up, think about how often a 1911 freezes up. Which one do you want to walk around the wall with? Seems to me that the AR's with grenade launchers worked very well, and the Garand even better, so why not leave it like it is?

Greg

[Ric]

the future soldiers weapons will be the same as todays and the past wars, a well trained soldier with a clear mind and a weapon he knows how to use.

[romma]

Arm the military with "throw pillows"... We don't want to fight wars to win anyways. :uhoh:

[AJ Dual]

Atonomous mini-robot swarms that sniff out the ammonia in human sweat, 98.6 body-temp IR emissions etc. perhaps they'll have image or speech recognition abilites to recognize enemy uniforms, language and weapons. They'd jump out of the shadows and explode right under your helmet. These would be rollers, crawlers, and flyers the size of rats and birds, maybe smaller.

When you add psychoactive drugs, bio-weapons, destructive nano-robots and other nasties that could be delivered into your body by such devices, the victims of the simple exploders would be the lucky ones...

Think hand-grenades and mines (and worse) that go looking for you…

Of course there will be swarms of anti-robot-robots. And maybe even anti-anti-robot-robot-robots...

If humans will still even dare occupy such a battlefield, the exoskeletal armor combat suit sounds like a good idea to me, no matter how expensive it is.

[knuckles]

Think about how often computers freeze up

Keep in mind that the code that would run on such a device would be highly specialized and not prone to 'freezing' like a Windows PC. It's kind of like the opposition 'fly-by-wire' was met with by most veteran pilots when it first came out. No one wanted a computer between them and the flight surface. Now many of the planes we fly on daily basis have fly-by-wire.

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there are very large :confused: difference .

[huws]

Well future :neener: guns are "secure", "invisible' , and "perfect'

[MrZ]

One, titanium is so much lighter than steel you end up with more recoil and therefore less control over a weapon on full auto.

Lighter machine guns are EXACTLY what we need, and it irritates me to no end that we will spend MILLIONS of dollars on one aircraft, but we won't spend the cash to develop a light weight machine gun. Machine guns used for sustained fire (like the 240) and as automatic rifles (249) are generally fired from either bipod or tripod, so recoil management wouldn't be so bad if they were lighter. Individual weapons (M4) are generally used in the semi mode simply because outside of close quarters, automatic fire is a waste of ammo for anything but suppresion...and suppressive fires are best left to our 249's and 240's.

Two, if the government doesn't want to spend 1500 a soldier for current tech body armor, why would it invest 100k+ per soldier in a effective exoskeleton system?

You wouldn't HAVE to equip every soldier with an exoskeleton in order for them to be effective. 3 per rifle platoon would make me happy, and I would put them to good use.


HERE IS THE TRUTH concerning the future of American warfare!!!

"...the next soldiers weapon will be digitized, weigh about 100 lbs (90 of it battery), Microsoft compatible, and will enable the REMFs to turn off the Joe's weapon when the integral camera doesn't show the ROE compatible image

It's a damn shame too...

I was looking through an army times magazine at the barber shop (which, by the way, is a P.O.S. rag I wouldn't use to line a bird cage with) and saw some idiots great idea about a future individual weapon system. It had all kinds of stupid crap you DON'T need and a CAMERA was one of them. Soooo, in the future, if this goes into production, not only will our troops be killed because of ridiculous ROE, but they will also be killed because they know EVERY shot will be reviewed by some sorry arse lawyer which will make them hesitate. Hesitation gets you killed in a fight...

In my opinion, the weapon of the future will not be projectile based, but energy based. This will, in turn, make armor obsolete, which will allow soldiers more freedom of movement until they come up with some other heavy armor to stop the energy based weapons...and the circle will complete itself again.

[tellner]

At the rate we're going we won't need weapons. The kill-crazed kooks who run the government will just murder everyone who talks funny or looks vaguely brown and we will all be at peace.

[Autolycus]

I think most future wars will be fought in predominatly urban areas with insurgency groups and not many uniformed personnel. I suspect that military training will start to gear up the following types of training.

1) Close Quarters Combat (SWAT style tactics)
2) Prisoner Detention
3) Small Unit Tactics
4) First Aid
5) Urban Fighting
6) FIghting from a vehicle
7) Police Style Patrols and training
8) Weapons familiarization (Pistol, Shotgun, and SMG will become more commonly issued weapons)
9) Explosives Detection will probably be a much sought after skill and more common I would assume.

The equipment will start to take a more urban style role...

1) Carbine type weapon or even an SMG for some units (M4, MP5)
2) Shotguns for door breaching will become a more issue weapon
3)*Pistols will go up to a larger caliber (.40 or .45) due to the ability to holster and for prisoner retention.*
4) Handcuffs will become a more issue item for prisoner extractions and arrests.
5) Body Armor will become a more importantly issue item. (It is now but I mean larger emphasis will be placed on getting it out to military personnel right away).
6) Flashlights and radios will become a much more common item. By radios I mean they will probably become more of a throat mike type of device.
7) Some sort of handheld explosives detection equipment will probably be issued or developed then issued.
8) Explosive Detection Dogs (like Police K9s) will become a much more seen item in the miltary.
9) Some sort of Armored Personnel Carrier will become the modern standard. I think the tanks and artillery will become less prevailant. (No offense to artillery men or tankers).

I believe the emphasis will be more on Urban Warfare and police actions. My thoughts are meant to reflect this.

Patrols of city blocks will become the norm as it seems to be in Iraq (through my observations). I suspect that soldiers will be taught more about the local language and customs so they can make informants and friends easier. The equipment will become lighterweight and more bang for your buck. I belive that mil personnel want lighter gear and the gear to do more. Lighter armor that protects them better. It seems like common sense but common sense aint so common.

I have never had the honor of serving my country in the military. All of these are my own observations on what the military may look like in the next 10-15 years.

[Autolycus]

Forgot to add that robots will probably be a lot more common the battlefield. I suspect that anything which removes the actual human from danger on the battlefield will become more common. I hope so at least.

ETA- Not that I want to start the war with the machines that the Terminator films talked about. More along the lines of Maximum Overdrive.

[GRIFFIN1]

Phase Plasma Rifle with a 40 watt range

[Kaeto]

BOLO combat unit. With a quarter sun fusion powerplant and 10 megatonne per second firepower. :what: :)

[CannonFodder]

Glitterboys!

[DRZinn]

1) Close Quarters Combat (SWAT style tactics)
2) Prisoner Detention
3) Small Unit Tactics
4) First Aid
5) Urban Fighting
6) FIghting from a vehicle
7) Police Style Patrols and training
8) Weapons familiarization (Pistol, Shotgun, and SMG will become more commonly issued weapons)
9) Explosives Detection will probably be a much sought after skill and more common I would assume.1-5 have been taught for quite a while, but you're probably right that that's where the emphasis will shift to. Fighting from a vehicle is easily taught: don't. You use it to get out of Dodge or you get out of it and seek cover, then you're back to other tactics. I'm not sure what you mean by "police-style" patrols, but I would love to see (and in Iraq right now they probably are seeing) a lot more familiarization with enemy and specialized weapons systems.
1) Carbine type weapon or even an SMG for some units (M4, MP5)
2) Shotguns for door breaching will become a more issue weapon
3)*Pistols will go up to a larger caliber (.40 or .45) due to the ability to holster and for prisoner retention.*
4) Handcuffs will become a more issue item for prisoner extractions and arrests.
5) Body Armor will become a more importantly issue item. (It is now but I mean larger emphasis will be placed on getting it out to military personnel right away).
6) Flashlights and radios will become a much more common item. By radios I mean they will probably become more of a throat mike type of device.
7) Some sort of handheld explosives detection equipment will probably be issued or developed then issued.
8) Explosive Detection Dogs (like Police K9s) will become a much more seen item in the miltary.
9) Some sort of Armored Personnel Carrier will become the modern standard. I think the tanks and artillery will become less prevailant. (No offense to artillery men or tankers).1-3: Quite right. Handcuffs will not be issued, but flexcuffs already are. Every person there already has body armor, and to my knowledge every one has it before they go. I know every Marine has it even if they don't go. Flashlights and radios are already becoming more common. Flashlights less so, because IR illuminators are a better choice, but every Marine fireteam leader and above has a radio, most with a headset.

Handheld explosive detectors already exist, but I don't know how well they work. I don't know about dogs, but you're right about the APC's, too.

I believe the emphasis will be more on Urban Warfare and police actions. My thoughts are meant to reflect this.Yup.

I suspect that soldiers will be taught more about the local language and customs so they can make informants and friends easier. The equipment will become lighterweight and more bang for your buck.Already happening. In fact, every Marine officer graduating The Basic School will now be responsible for one of 17(?) "micro-regions" in the world, charged with learning the culture and language of that region. And in my short time over there less than three years ago I saw improvements in equipment from the time I arrived until the time I left. I'd love to get my hands on some of what they've got now!

[hqmhqm]

There was a great comment I read about the idea of little miniature mobile robots. Someone said that one of them coming at you with carrying a hand grenade was humorous, but two dozen of them coming at you was not funny at all.

[huws]

In my opinion, the weapon of the future will not be projectile based, but energy based. This will, in turn, make armor obsolete, which will allow soldiers more freedom of movement until they come up with some other heavy armor to stop the energy based weapons...and the circle will complete itself again.

In my opinion, the weapon of the future will be not worn armor clothing, the weapon will be invisible, u can see the rival,but the rival can not find u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:neener:

[huws]

the future weapon need not :confused: armor clothing, the weapon will be invisible, u can see the rival,but the rival can not find u

[Sean Dempsey]

Our soldiers will be ADVANCED WARFIGHTERS.

http://m3.idg.se/blog/public/images_upload/060301-graw-dh.jpg

[greg700]

I think that there will be lots of new gadgets, but the core weapon of the military will still have a soldier-operated trigger and fire traditional ammunition for many years to come.

An all out war with another superpower would most likely be conducted without much high-tech on the front lines...no satcoms, fancy video equipment, robots, etc. They are too easy for an equally advanced country to take out.

[huws]

It is right that the core weapon of the military will still have a soldier-operated trigger and fire traditional ammunition for many years to come.but if a new weapon is not issued , anyone do not understand its principle.:neener:

[jwhisler]

I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.


Albert Einstein

[huws]

QUOTE]I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.


[/QUOTE]
may be you are right.:neener:

[Waitone]

http://www.defensetech.org/
Great site for monitoring defense stuff, warts and all.

Israel's army is much further along in infantry modernization. Future soldier technology is deployed. One of the great concerns over Israel's performance in the last dustup with Hezbollah was the Israeli army evidently lost sight of how important tactics were in fighting war. A number of the most obvious screw-up were result of political decrees, but nonetheless some observers conclude Israel (in some cases) substituted technology for battle skills.

The US is on a trajectory to use more and more technology instead of boots. At some point there is a cross over point where more technology does not necessarily mean better combat effectiveness. Good example is level of automation in the navy. Sure a sub could be run with fewer boots on deck, but what happens when the SHTF and you vessel doesn't have sufficient boots on deck to do damage control in a meaningful manner. By going to highly automated vessels are we saying our navy will be composed of disposable vessels?

[huws]

http://www.defensetech.org/
Great site for monitoring defense stuff, warts and all.

Israel's army is much further along in infantry modernization. Future soldier technology is deployed. One of the great concerns over Israel's performance in the last dustup with Hezbollah was the Israeli army evidently lost sight of how important tactics were in fighting war. A number of the most obvious screw-up were result of political decrees, but nonetheless some observers conclude Israel (in some cases) substituted technology for battle skills.

The US is on a trajectory to use more and more technology instead of boots. At some point there is a cross over point where more technology does not necessarily mean better combat effectiveness. Good example is level of automation in the navy. Sure a sub could be run with fewer boots on deck, but what happens when the SHTF and you vessel doesn't have sufficient boots on deck to do damage control in a meaningful manner. By going to highly automated vessels are we saying our navy will be composed of disposable vessels?

for my bad English,I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

[owen]

I think the biggest advances, for the US, are going to be in Logistics. We've had few years of experience driving convoys through hostile territory, supplying a vast network of farflung outposts.

I think the place to look is DARPA's robot truck competitions. At the moment the ratio of support to combat arms in the US is 10 to 1 or worse. A fleet of robot trucks, depots and dumps and a sift to JIT pull type inventory control could make a huge difference in the ratio.

In the end there are two conditions to be met: Will your soldiers fight, and can they fight.

In both Gulf Wars th US proved that the soldiers can fight, and that the logistics system was (as usual, throughout all of history) the weak point. Remember the "Operational Halt" outside of Bagdad? Dollars to donuts it was to allow the tail to catch up to the warfighters

[panzermk2]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e169/panzermk2/fn_tw_f2000.jpg

[panzermk2]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e169/panzermk2/f200039nw.jpg



http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e169/panzermk2/combat80bd.jpg


And of course the rifle replacing the M4

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e169/panzermk2/SCARslick.jpg

[DRMMR02]

I'm not sure about the next infantry combat rifle, but they are developing some VERY interesting things to deal with IEDS. Large microwave emmiters and Electrolaser technology will allow us to quickly deal with IEDs from a safe distance. We already have the ability to produce many different laser or other energy weapons, the big roadblock is in power generation/storage. Once the next breakthrough in battery technology is made, you can look forward to energy based weapons taking on a much larger role. And it might not be so far off. Think about it, before 1903, powered flight was considered magic and impossible. 15 years later planes were used in combat in the first Wolrd War. Less than 30 years after that, they planes a very major role in who won the Second World War. And less than 25 years afer that, human beings were walking on the moon. That's flight going from the stuff of childrens fantasy books to "One small step" in 66 years. Are energy weapons 100+ years away? I very much doubt it.


For now, I'm still wondering why they abandoned this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/CymPimpin/200605082014_XM8.jpg

That is one sweet looking rifle. Any ideas why it was dropped?

[owen]

because it wasn't funded

[Gifted]

Advances in materials technology are quickly coming to par with weapons tech. It's probably possible now to put a soldier in a suit of armor that makes all small arms up to .50 irrelevant. While this may not be practical, making them bullet-proof is not difficult.

So, now you have a trooper that can't be killed easily with regular small arms. Heavy, crew served weapons or highly specialized ammo for penetrating the heavy armor would have to be used. Eventually, specialized weapons would come out, but they'd be short ranged due to the power needs, and need lots of ammo. You'd probably carry a shield, which would be made of slightly different materials, and provide additional protection.

How's that?:neener:

[Brass Fetcher]

How will all of the preparation for fighting locals in a city help us if something ever starts with a larger army?

[DRMMR02]

I've wondered that myself. The looser of each war is the side still trying to fight the last war. Failure to adapt tactically and strategically is much more lethal than any technological edge. Let's say we do adapt well enough to win the insurgent war. What happens when Red China starts to flex it's muscle?

[Fu-man Shoe]

Unfortunately, in the case of "what will we do when we wake up to the
reality of a hostile China" scenario, I am afraid we will learn (the hard way)
a valuable lesson about exactly why a consumer/service based economy
is not a viable strategy for a nation in the long run.

fu-man shoe

[saspic]

The robots are already here. From the people who brought you the Roomba:

http://irobot.com/sp.cfm?pageid=109

Here's a bit about the "Future Combat Systems:"
http://irobot.com/sp.cfm?pageid=219

iRobot was selected in 2003 as a “best of industry” partner for the U.S. Army’s groundbreaking Future Combat Systems (FCS) program. As a key player in the Army’s transformational FCS program, iRobot’s Government and Industrial Robots division is developing a next-generation Small Unmanned Ground Vehicle (SUGV), a portable, reconnaissance and tactical robot that can enter and secure areas that are either inaccessible or too dangerous for humans. SUGVs act as eyes and ears for soldiers, providing real-time intelligence and complete situational awareness while keeping troops out of harm's way. The under 30-pound SUGV evolved from the rugged 48-pound iRobot PackBot® Explorer, which includes highly integrated COTS sensors.

"Robots like the SUGV are transforming the way wars are fought today in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, and well into the future, helping to ensure that our soldiers can react quickly and decisively to unforeseen challenges," said Vice Admiral Joe Dyer (U.S. Navy, Ret.), president of iRobot's Government & Industrial Robots division. "The FCS program is at the forefront of a revolution in military technology, and iRobot is honored to be entrusted with such an important component of the program."

[EvisceratorSrB]

Sound waves might be used. Now I know ALL of you might say " oh that was on future weapons"... but I actually learned about it through a documentary on Nazi weapons. They made a device that could literally kill you, because of the DB's created, which equal the pressure of you on the bottom of the ocean, and then lifted to normal air pressure, hundreds of times in a second. Imagine that. Your eyes would just fall out or some other ungodly thing. Food for thought.

[Macpherson]

This one, just with more bells and whistles added to it.

http://www.nd.edu/~bhenness/m4carbine.JPG

[huws]

The robots are already here. From the people who brought you the Roomba:

http://irobot.com/sp.cfm?pageid=109

Here's a bit about the "Future Combat Systems:"
http://irobot.com/sp.cfm?pageid=219

iRobot was selected in 2003 as a “best of industry” partner for the U.S. Army’s groundbreaking Future Combat Systems (FCS) program. As a key player in the Army’s transformational FCS program, iRobot’s Government and Industrial Robots division is developing a next-generation Small Unmanned Ground Vehicle (SUGV), a portable, reconnaissance and tactical robot that can enter and secure areas that are either


but the robot does not see the invisible weapon.this ie very clear to everyone.:neener:

[mljdeckard]

Energy weapons shouldn't be underestimated. Imagine a silent rifle, for which gravity, humidity, windage, etc are no longer a significant factor? It would be limited only by magnification and power-source factors.

Of the several "New for sure next generation I know because I have an uncle who works in the Pentagon infantry rifles", I like the SCAR the best. But, honestly, I don't think any of these newer designes are so compelling as to scrap the M-16/M-4 entirely.

I think that all soldiers who are not in direct combat and need primarily a defensive weapon, they should keep M-4s for the time being.

[huws]

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Energy weapons shouldn't be underestimated. Imagine a silent rifle, for which gravity, humidity, windage, etc are no longer a significant factor? It would be limited only by magnification and power-source factors.

Of the several "New for sure next generation I know because I have an uncle who works in the Pentagon infantry rifles", I like the SCAR the best. But, honestly, I don't think any of these newer designes are so compelling as to scrap the M-16/M-4 entirely.

I think that all soldiers who are not in direct combat and need primarily a defensive weapon, they should keep M-4s for the time being.
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thank you ,the weapon is beautiful , but is not practical!!!!!!!.


----------------------answered by Lee Yintao the future weapon design expert from China.:confused:

[panzermk2]

which one? the SCAR is already replacing the M4.
The F2000 is already under full deployment

I also don't understand your use of Practical ?
The F2000 has many ground breaking features including the soft spent casing eject, it's lighter and you do keep your hand on the pistol grip when fireing the launcher unlike the M4

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Mel Gibsons line in Braveheart.
You dropped your rock

[TooTaxed]

Something along the lines of the current Chinese army small arms family. They rigorously tested the Russian 7.62 x 39 and 5.4 x 39 cartridges, and the American .223, then developed their own 6.8-mm short cartridge with ballistics and wound characteristics better than all, plus their own small arms semi-auto and full auto family to use it. They probably have the most modern small arms of any country in the world right now.:what:

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Posts: 591 Something along the lines of the current Chinese army small arms family. They rigorously tested the Russian 7.62 x 39 and 5.4 x 39 cartridges, and the American .223, then developed their own 6.8-mm short cartridge with ballistics and wound characteristics better than all, plus their own small arms semi-auto and full auto family to use it. They probably have the most modern small arms of any country in the world right now.
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it does not like what you said.:confused:

[brerrabbit]

I am kinda thinking crew served laser cannon.

Hear me out, I am not talking cutting laser, but a variable width high energy beam capable of permanently blinding the enemy out to several hundred yards.

I am talking about a power output high enough that it will still cause optical damage even with eyes closed and hands over the face . The good guys can use filtered visors that will make them immune to the effects of the beam, sidescatter and such.

Setting certain pulse frequencies could cause epileptic fits even in people that are not epileptic.

Use a laser design that allows the frequencies to be changed fairly easily to prevent the enemy from being able to adapt to it with their own countermeasures.

Because of the power requirements, It would probably have to be vehicle mounted.

Think about how the tactics would change if the enemy cannot shoot back because of either blindness or fear of being blinded.

[Pat Cannon]

Something I'm sure they could manufacture now is the special grenade, for clearing a building with minimum casualties, portrayed in Heinlein's Starship Troopers: It screams loudly in the appropriate language, "I am a thirty-second bomb! Twenty-nine! Twenty-eight! ..." (Heinlein didn't mention it, but a good feature would be a remote-control override and/or a change-of direction sensor for when somebody tries to pick it up and throw it back).

[The Grand Inquisitor]

The problem with our military is that they always want to integrate the next generation of technology with the previous generation of equipment.

I once had a lovely young female Army officer ask me how she would go about "ramming the power" when I asked how much RAM her computer had.

Her job was coordinating technology integration.


And this wasn't in 1980...this was around '01 or so.

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Posts: 121 I am kinda thinking crew served laser cannon.

Hear me out, I am not talking cutting laser, but a variable width high energy beam capable of permanently blinding the enemy out to several hundred yards.

I am talking about a power output high enough that it will still cause optical damage even with eyes closed and hands over the face . The good guys can use filtered visors that will make them immune to the effects of the beam, sidescatter and such.

Setting certain pulse frequencies could cause epileptic fits even in people that are not epileptic.

Use a laser design that allows the frequencies to be changed fairly easily to prevent the enemy from being able to adapt to it with their own countermeasures.

Because of the power requirements, It would probably have to be vehicle mounted.

Think about how the tactics would change if the enemy cannot shoot back because of either blindness or fear of being blinded. [/QUOTE]

it is difficult to realize your idea for long time.

replied by Lee Yintao,a weapon design expert from China.[QUOTE]



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QUOTE]The problem with our military is that they always want to integrate the next generation of technology with the previous generation of equipment.

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it is better to make a weapon ,user does not wear any bullet-proof vest while using.

replied by Lee Yintao,a weapon design expert from China

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Lee Yintao,a weapon design expert from China.:uhoh:

[XDKingslayer]

Glitterboys!

It's quite possible I'm the only one that knows what you're talking about.

[Strings]

I REALLY shouldn't post this (again)...

Why would we replace the AR system as our combat rifle? It's been in service long enough that we've worked most of the kinks and bugs out (i think the op-rod uppers are the last bit needed). It's infinitly configurable (can work as standard rifle, carbine, PDW, marksman's rifle, and squad automatic), available in many different calibers simply by swaping uppers (.22lr, 5.56mm, 7.62x39, a couple different 6.something offerings, and .50 Beowulf), and most currently in service already know how to operate the bloody thing. So I have to ask again: WHY do we want to replace it?

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Drag it around a sand box with rag heads blasting away at you with rifles that never jam and always go bang. You will learn real fast why. The greatest thing to come along in a while for the AR is a FN-FAL gas and rod system. I think the guys in the funky sided building decided why stop at the gas/rod system lets adopt everything from FN. The SCAR platform is really just a mildly updated FAL.

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XDKingslayer
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Glitterboys!

It's quite possible I'm the only one that knows what you're talking about.
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u are right,:neener:
i am thinking to chanllenge the Cornershot made by Israel.:cool:

replied by the future weapon design expert , Lee Yintao frome China.

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Strings
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Why would we replace the AR system as our combat rifle? It's been in service long enough that we've worked most of the kinks and bugs out (i think the op-rod uppers are the last bit needed). It's infinitly configurable (can work as standard rifle, carbine, PDW, marksman's rifle, and squad automatic), available in many different calibers simply by swaping uppers (.22lr, 5.56mm, 7.62x39, a couple different 6.something offerings, and .50 Beowulf), and most currently in service already know how to operate the bloody thing. So I have to ask again: WHY do we want to replace it?
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WHY do we want to replace it? because the shooter is easy to hit by straight shot.he must wear a bullet-proof vest in combat.

replied by the future weapon design expert , Lee Yintao frome China.. .:(

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Lee Yintao,wireless TASER design expert from China.:neener:

[Rock_Steady]

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Glitterboys!


It's quite possible I'm the only one that knows what you're talking about.

You know, I had thought I was the only ex-rifts player here - good on ya.

But I think good vibro knife teamed with my coilgun would do me well - the sonic boom might be a bit irritating.......

replied by the current weapon using expert , not Lee Yintao from China.

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Glitterboys!
It's quite possible I'm the only one that knows what you're talking about.

You know, I had thought I was the only ex-rifts player here - good on ya.

But I think good vibro knife teamed with my coilgun would do me well - the sonic boom might be a bit irritating.......

replied by the current weapon using expert , not Lee Yintao from China.
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it is very clear that u are the current weapon using expert,but i am the current weapon making expert Lee Yintao from China.:neener:

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