Mystery rifle, can you help me identify it?


September 15, 2006, 07:39 PM
My grandfather gave it to me when he moved. Its a simple .22lr autoloader and feeds from a tube magazine. It has an old steel tube Weaver 4x power scope that I took off to take the pictures.
I've got no idea who made it or if someone ghost-built it for someone else.
at any rate, here are the pictures. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

I have fired it a few times, and while the irons are so-so, its a tack driver with the scope on.
An oddity is that when you fire, the bolt is held back until you release the trigger. Also, the cocking knob can be pushed in and used to either lock the bolt closed (it will fire like that) or open. Bolt does not hold open on the last shot.
Ranger 101-16 is the only marking that might be identifying.

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September 15, 2006, 08:16 PM

The Ranger name was used by Sears, Roebuck and Co. The rifle was made for them by Savage/Stevens Arms Corp. It is known as the model 87, 87A, 187, etc. I have a Springfield/J.Stevens Arms model 87A, and it is also a tack driver.


September 15, 2006, 08:16 PM
OK, found a little more information.

Its got a patent number on it.
Patent 2,094,577 issued to a N.L. Brewer in 1937.
Savage arms is mentioned on the first page of text.

Only thing that strikes me as off, is that the pictures depict a bolt action. The trigger assembly is similar.

no mention of model number.

September 15, 2006, 08:18 PM
Thank you very much USSR. :cool: :cool:

September 15, 2006, 08:56 PM
Looks almost exactly like a Stevens Model 87D I used to have. The only difference is the cocking handle (and the markings). The cocking handle was much smaller on mine. I used if for a while then gave it to my dad. It was reliable and very accurate. He still uses it for a truck gun.

It was hard to get used to the bolt staying back until you let go of the trigger. It would shoot long rifles in semi-auto. You could also use short, long, and long rifles when you pushed in the knob. That made it work like a bolt action.

Hope this helps.


September 15, 2006, 09:14 PM
ah, now the lock on it makes more sense.
Do you have to lock it forward to use long and short?

September 15, 2006, 09:20 PM
If my memory serves me correctly, yes you do have to push the knob in to shoot each round of long or short. You just operate it like a bolt action. Cycle it by hand to load one in the chamber, push the knob in to lock it, then shoot. Then pull out the knob, cycle the bolt to eject the empty brass and load a new round. It has been a while now but it seems like if you shot shorts without pushing the knob in, it would not cycle completely and the empty brass would hang up inside the action.

BTW, I miss my old 87D. I'll get another one some day. It was a really good rifle.

Hope this helps.


September 15, 2006, 09:28 PM
Its an immense help, thank you so much. :)

September 15, 2006, 10:51 PM
I don't know what the difference is, but other than the stock color it looks just like my Savage 6A.

And yes the bolt has to be engaged each time you shoot with shorts.

I have had mine since I was 18.
I bought it in a pawn shop for $10 in '80 or 81.

I shot a snake swimming upstream in the head with a downward 45% angle shot from the top of a bank, back then
I could not even see the snake now

September 15, 2006, 11:46 PM
it is a Savage, they are easily id'd by the vent ribs on the left side of the receiver. They are supposed to fire s,l,lr's, I have bought 2 , in hopes they would. i would so love a semi auto firing a tube full of shorts! But they never do act , with being a jammo matic.

September 16, 2006, 12:04 AM
The action looks exactly like the Savage 6a I just purchased a couple of weeks ago. I've shot a couple hundred rounds through it without a single problem. As with Joab, my stock is a bit darker--actually I think it is walnut. I was very impressed with the accuracy with simply the iron sights.

September 16, 2006, 02:28 AM
I'll get a couple shots of the scope my grandfather had mounted to it.
Some ancient steel tube Weaver. This rifle is easily more accurate than my 10/22.

I got it when he moved 2 years ago and it hadn't been fired since he retired from LAPD in 1974.

September 19, 2006, 07:22 PM
Hello All,
This is my first post to this forum. I was doing a search for the Savage 6A and landed here. Yours is a close clone of it except for color. I was wondering how old these guns are. My dad bought the one I have for my older brother back in the mid to late 50's. My brother doesn't shoot or hunt, so I inherited it. My two boys grew up shooting bulk 22 rounds through it and I also shot it a lot back in the 60's.
Mine says on the left side of the receiver "Long rifle only as automatic". It fires on and on without any jams using long rifle ammo. I gave it a good cleaning and gave it a deep Remington type blue. I grew up with those iron sights and it hits everything you shoot at. I took it to the rifle range over Labor Day and gave it another good workout. I only shoot jacketed rounds through it now after getting most of the lead out of the rifleing from years of my sons shooting bulk ammo through it. They cleaned it, but their definition of clean and mine is a bit different.
Bottom line is, it's a tough rifle and still shoots well after 50 years. I'd be interested in how a scope was mounted to it. Did a gunsmith do the work on yours or did your grandpa say? I think mine is worthy of some work along those lines. I'd love to see a new Burris or Leupold scope atop that 6A, but only because my eye sight isn't what it used to be. :)

September 20, 2006, 09:50 PM
Used to have one years ago, definately a Savage/Stevens. Nice little gun........

September 23, 2006, 08:55 PM
Hello everybody!

This is my first post. I found this forum while trying to find an answer to my question.

My dad had one like that and it was not used for maybe 30 years. He gave it to me a few years ago saying it did not work but that it was a nice rifle and that I should have it repaired some day. This morning, just for kicks, I gave it a good cleaning and oiling. Then I went and fired a couple hundred rounds with it this afternoon and I really had fun. Can't remember having that much fun shooting a rifle for a very long time. I didn't know I had such a good little rifle in my basement.

The only thing is it misfired a few times. I messed with the aft screw cap or whatever it's called, and eventually it fired flawlessly. There is an indexer on that cap, and I think it has something to do with how hard the firing pin hits the rim, but I can't see why. I don't understand what it does exactly.

Can anybody please explain what that adjustment does?


September 24, 2006, 09:40 AM
As far as I know that is some sort of variation of a breech plug.

I never thought it had any other purpose than an easy way to take down the rifle for cleaning

September 24, 2006, 08:06 PM
If you're talking about the threaded "cap" on the end of the receiver, removing this (by turning counter-clockwise) allows you to remove the spring and bolt. It would be a good idea to do this, spray the bolt and the inside of the receiver thoroughly with brake cleaner, then lightly oiling them and putting it back together.


September 24, 2006, 08:12 PM
i used to have one of those. i miss it. my buddy who got it loves it to no end.

September 24, 2006, 08:46 PM
USSR found the words that I could not.

The failure to fires could have been ammo related
Were you using Remington bulk Pack?

September 24, 2006, 09:04 PM
Those are awesome, super reliable rifles that are absolutly awesome tackdrivers. I've got one, it rocks. I take it into the field more than any other .22 that I own.

I've never had a fail to fire in mine, you might check the firing pin, to see if its worn or chipped,

I've had a few jams while using .22 short ammo, the cases can get stuck if you don't lock the bolt closed when you are in battery.

Don't sell it, you'll regret it if you do. I'm keeping mine forever.

September 25, 2006, 03:33 AM
Thanks for the replies.

It had not been fired for 30 years. I cleaned it thoroughly when I got it out of storage. But some parts inside you cannot get at and you have to rely on soaking in varsol. I liberally sprayed G96 Complete Gun Treatment for good measure, then mopped up as much as I could and it left a thin film and a nice smooth movement. Didn't think about brake cleaner, but I will try it next time.

As for ammo, it was indeed a Remington bulk pack. I suspected those, and at that price I can accept a couple of jams.

Under the flange of the breech plug, there is a small spring loaded ball bearing that clicks in notches at the end of the barrel. I guess it is there simply to prevent the plug from getting unscrewed but at first it looked like an adjustment, although for the life of me I couldn't figure out what it could do.

Thanks again

May 9, 2007, 04:40 PM
I recently bought a rifle exactly like this at a local gun shop as my first rifle. I paid $80.00. It's exactly like the Marlin 80 I was looking for, so I grabbed it.

It seems to be in good condition, no rust anywhere. Also no serial number.

The woman at the gun shop said every shooter should own a gun without a SN. Don't know why she said that.

Good to find out I got an accurate, reliable rifle.

June 21, 2007, 12:33 AM
I have a Stevens Model 87D 22 ,Stevens put out the 87D long before they were bought out by the Savage company and became Savage Stevens ,My rifle is marked stevens only,It is an awesome rifle,accurate way beyond any 22 I have ever had,I have the Ruger 10/22 stainless and ill take my old stevens hands down for reliability and accuracy anytime,I have shot this rifle for 40 years easily and it was handed down to me from my grandfather who bought it new when i was a little kid ,and I still remember the day he bought it ,and how prould he was of it then as it was a semiautomatic .Parts are drying up as savage stevens company was sold to someone who no longer supplys or does any work on any of the guns produced by stevens or savage stevens ,unless the guns were produced after they took over the company ,so for parts you have to buy used ones or if anyone is making aftermarket parts now,its a sad situation.I have shot complete bricks of ammo and more before cleaning this gun and had no jams or misfires useing winchester wildcat ammo (which is dirty fireing),All other ammo except remington has worked flawlessly ,for some reason the remington ammo I ever used jammed and I did not get consistant power out of the ammo ,it sounded like there powder load was not consistant resulting in crappy accuracy ,I have not bought any of the remington since,but i could shoot that gun untill it was filthy and it did not jam and accuracy was always top notch.the ranger gun I saw mentioned is not the same as the 87D but looks similar ,it looks more like a carbine model rather than a long barreled rifle like the 87D,there are also other models of the 87 made eariler than the d model in the early 50s,My gun was bought in the early 60s and i will never sell it,its way to fun to shoot and is very easy to clean ,the knob on the back of the reciever is how you break the gun down ,you unscrew that and the bolt,fireing pin come out,you have to remove the charging bolt out of the side of the bolt to remove the bolt completly ,then you can clean the barrel from top to bottom ,its a very simple gun to clean ,I have found the simpler the action is in a gun the more reliable and accurate they seem to be ,just my opnion ,I prefer the AK-47 and the sks to the M-16 or AR-15 as if your out in the woods or anywhere else you do not have to worrie about the little spring loaded small springs getting lost when they shoot out of the gun ,or the many other small parts you dont have to worrie about in the Sks or AK,I compare the ease of maintaining my 87D and relibility to them .Another advantage is cost for the 87D which was 47 bucks new when mine was bought ,the AK and SKs are also very ,very cheap to produce compared to the AR-15,thats why everyone in the world seems to have one,Smal

November 10, 2007, 04:06 PM
It's good to find some info on this gun. I've got a Stevens Model 87A. In semi-auto mode it nearly always jams on the last round. I am using .22LR (though I was using Remington bulk stuff, have moved on to other since then). In any event, I took it to a gun shop and they said that the spring loaded rod was not long enough? So they set me up with another rod ($45) and sent me on my way. But it still jams on the last round. I've taken it completely apart, cleaned it, reassembled it and used Remington Drilube on it. Still jams on the last round. Any thought/suggestions?
Thanks in advance...

November 11, 2007, 05:55 PM
The Stevens 87B, was my very first rifle that was a pawn shop buy
for $20, in 1956. I don't recall what the clip just forward of the magazine
tube is called, but it stops the round just prior to the shell lifter lifting the
cartridge into the chamber. Pops into a couple of slots that are the
bottom of the receiver. Easy to replace and usual clears feeding jams
when replaced. Unscrew the knurled cap at the end of the receiver,
bolt and firing pin slides back and out Pin is T shaped at the end and
just lays in a groove on top of the bolt. No tools needed to replace
the firing pin. Try Gun Parts for those you need. The above clip on
end of the mag tube is some kind of spring steel:D

November 11, 2007, 10:19 PM
I know what clip you are referring to (looked it up in gun parts and is called "Cartridge Guide Spring"), although I didn't know what it's function was before you mentioned it. When I took it apart yesterday, I noticed it. I'll see about getting a replacement. Why would I need to replace the firing pin?
Thanks for your response..

January 9, 2008, 12:53 AM
Howdy, I have the same model rifle. It was my Father and his brothers before WWII and after my Father passed it became mine. The rifle had a broken guide spring for many years and so jammed continuously. So because of that I remember as a kid that the rifle was usually given to me to shoot by default so I learned how to clear the jams and disassemble the rifle just to get to shoot it. I remember the sights were not the best but if you did your job it would place those rounds where you wanted. My Uncles didn't want it after my Father passed because it still jammed so by default I ended up with the "rifle that always jammed". But after some years and a bit of research I finally figured out why the rifle jammed and found the replacement part, I was also able to identify the gun maker too. If you get a catalog from "Gun Parts Corp." you will find that it was made by "Savage Arms" as the model: 6A, 6AB, 6B. IT was also listed as a Stevens or Springfield model: 87A, 87AB,87B, 87AT, 76A. Today the rifle runs like a champ and unlike the "old" days the rifle has yet to jam on me since I replaced the guide spring! I hope that answers your question.------Steve

May 13, 2008, 10:48 AM
Hello, new member here looking for info on this exact rifle. My son had it given to him recently and wholla, jamming like crazy. Does anyone have any pic's of the spring guide. I have torn it apart and am in the process of cleaning it(boy it's a mess). I don't see anything broken, except does anyone know if both extractors need to fully move, or just one? Thanks for any replies.

May 14, 2008, 11:53 AM

May 26, 2008, 09:34 AM
btt thanks

December 1, 2008, 03:56 PM
HUGLE-go to and you can look it up by manufacturer then by model. They have an exploded schematic with part numbers that match their stock....pretty simple stuff.

I have Savage/Stevens 87A and it shoots like a dream.
I spent several hundrted dollars on the then "new" Remington Viper and I damn near had to use a "come-a-long" to pull the trigger. Sold it for half of what I had in it (scope-case-sling,etc.) about 6 months later.

I did some landscaping for a pawn shop and instead of getting paid cash I saw this .22 on the shelf, worked a deal and voila! Best damn shooting .22 I have ever had. No problems with jamming....I clean the poo out of it about every 4 the stock, still looks like crap. but if I had to choose one gun to go into the field with, you can bet I will choose the crappy looking Savage/Stevens everytime.

December 1, 2008, 04:53 PM
This is a very good reason buy a copy of Numrich Gun Parts Firearms parts catalog!!

Highland Ranger
December 1, 2008, 05:42 PM

Looks like its worth $69

February 3, 2009, 01:24 AM
Well, actually I paid $200 for this EXACT rifle and a Marlin and got a free Savage shotgun in the process. You do the math.

The stock wasn't as pretty as the initial pictures in this post and I've taken it apart, stripped, stained and am in the middle of a nice Tru-Oil finish right now.

Wish I hadn't gone as dark as I did, knowing this just might have been worth more in the lighter shade, but what the heck, it's mine for now.

Haven't fired it as of yet, too durn cold here in Iowa, but I will post a picture up of the finished job.

It IS a Springfield/Stevens Model 87A. Probably came from Sears & Roebucks.

Izaak Walton
February 3, 2009, 08:13 AM
J. Stevens Arms Company
Chicopee Falls, Mass. U.S.A.
Model 87A
Thatís what mine says.
Tack driver is a worthy name as well.

Izaak Walton
February 3, 2009, 08:16 AM
J. Stevens Arms Company
Chicopee Falls, Mass. U.S.A.
Model 87A
That’s what mine says.
Tack driver is a worthy name as well.
Whoops Double Tap

February 12, 2009, 12:08 AM
Got it done the other night, here's the pictures.:)

February 12, 2009, 12:09 AM
are here..

February 12, 2009, 01:33 AM
Made my first kill with a rifle like that, blonde stock and all. Mom still doesn't know: a robin out of the apple tree in the front yard, 1960.

The first meat I brought home for the family was with that rifle the same year: pigeons out of the top of the barn--aerated the roof while I was at it.

You can still get parts for these rifles. Or you can buy another like it and use it for your parts gun.

I hope you enjoy that rifle. They are a dream to play with.

February 27, 2009, 05:43 PM
Picked up a Springfied-Stevens Model 87A at a garage sale today. The gun is very clean and I look forward to shooting it.

Good thread guys, answered the questions I had.

March 26, 2011, 02:09 PM
The reason the bolt stays open until you release the trigger is the "teeter totter" style trigger sear you see when you take the rifle down for cleaning. When you pull the trigger, it teeters and the spent cartridge is ejected. When you release the trigger, it totters as the bolt goes back into battery. One note of caution with this style trigger assembly... As it gets older and worn, the catches on the mechanism may fail to engage causing your rifle to fire fully automatic until the tubular magazine is empty or it jams. I've seen this occur on two Springfield Model 87As in the past 20 years. This is a dangerous condition because the operator can not stop the runaway. Just keep it pointed in a safe direction until its empty. I strongly recommend you have a good gunsmith check this out and correct it as needed. I have had mine since I was eight years old and my grandfather had it for years before me. This is a wonderful firearm that should last generations with proper care. One other note: There is a single rib on the ejection side of the receiver. If you are experiencing stove pipe type jams on your rifle, I have seen where some have removed that rib for extra clearance. It seems to work fine and I see no drawbacks to making this modification.

Harley Quinn
March 26, 2011, 02:13 PM
I have the:

It is a tack driver also, great target sights, might be a reason too:)

March 26, 2011, 03:18 PM
Ok, so I thought of one more item of interest concerning the Model 87A. Because the bolt can be locked closed and operated as a bolt action, this rifle lends itself very well to sound suppression. <deleted> I'm only saying this rifle can be made extremely quiet.

March 26, 2011, 03:38 PM
HUGLE-go to and you can look it up by manufacturer then by model. They have an exploded schematic with part numbers that match their stock....pretty simple stuff. It is simple if you know what to look for. For Stevens Model 87a parts you have to look under Savage Model 6a schematic. My 87a is jamming so I replaced the cartridge lifter(a common cause),it still jammed then I discovered the cartridge guide spring was missing(not all models have one). I just bought the cartridge guide spring from Numrich for $11.70+$6.50 shipping. It arrived today. Surprise !! It still jams with LR cartridges.

March 27, 2011, 03:56 AM
This particular rifle appears to have been sold by Sears, based on the Ranger name and the number format. It was made by Savage/Stevens.

Carl N. Brown
March 27, 2011, 10:54 AM
My step dad had a Savage Model 6 and it was a fun gun to shoot. Especially at dusk, you could see fire at the vent slots on the left side of the receiver. (Those slots let powder residue blow out of the receiver and seem to reduce the need for thorough cleaning.)

The springloaded ball in the receiver is intended to help keep the end cap from unscrewing.

Semi-auto with .22 Long Rifle (with the bolt handle pulled out), bolt action with .22 Short and .22 Long (with the bolt handle pushed in closed).

When it fired semi auto, the bolt locked open, and when you released the trigger it snapped forward to feed a round. With an empty magazine, you could fire, leave the bolt open by holding the trigger, drop a round in the chamber, and release the trigger, then fire as a single shot. Ads from the 1930s billed it as Triple Action: semi auto repeater, bolt action repeater or singleshot. By the 1960s, it was being made as a .22 LR semi-auto only, with no forward lock hole drilled in the receiver.

Refering to Numrich Arms Gun Parts catalog: Savage Models 6A, 6AB & 6B. Also made under the Stevens and Springfield brand names as Models 76A, 87A, 87AB, 87AT and 87B (tube magazine) and 85E, 85KE "clip fed" (box magazine version). It was also made for various chain stores under their house brands.

J.B. Wood, "Troubleshooting Your Rifle and Shotgun", shows the Stevens 87-A and mentions it as identical to the Savage 6A or Springfield 187.
- Imbalance in springs in the firing mechanism can lead to full-auto fire.
- Once the cartridge lifter or carrier is worn, it may cause misfeeds. The lifter has a little toe at one end, once that wears down, the lifter has to be replaced.
- There is a cartridge guide spring that looks like a collar and then there's the carrier spring, U shaped with coils on either side. If those two are properly tensioned and adjusted the gun will run smoothly; getting them properly tensioned and adjusted is no fun (been there, done that). A later redesign did away with the guide spring.

Millions were made over a period of decades, so it is not necessarily a bad gun, but a lot of gunsmiths are familiar with them. That is also why you will find walnut stocks, hardwood stocks, long and short barrels, different sights, bolt handles, etc.: millions were made over the years with changes in style.

The woman at the gun shop said every shooter should own a gun without a SN. Don't know why she said that.

If a .22 has no serial number that means it was made before 1968, when by federal law all new guns had to have serial numbers entered on the federal 4473 sales transaction form. Which I suppose means if the great gun roundup promised by gun control advocates from Carl Bakal through Norval Morris even happens, there won't be any record of millions of pre-1968 .22s and shotguns.

March 27, 2011, 02:38 PM
It is simple if you know what to look for. For Stevens Model 87a parts you have to look under Savage Model 6a schematic. My 87a is jamming so I replaced the cartridge lifter(a common cause),it still jammed then I discovered the cartridge guide spring was missing(not all models have one). I just bought the cartridge guide spring from Numrich for $11.70+$6.50 shipping. It arrived today. Surprise !! It still jams with LR cartridges.Jimmy Ray, you were dead on with the guide spring, it was probably needed anyway, that is the only part I have had to replace on mine. I'd say your problem is either a lifter spring (if you haven't already replaced it), action spring (same here), magazine spring, or the tube being out of alignment (check all that all the hardware is tight). Good luck, mine (a 24in. bbl'd 87D) is one heck of a shooter.


March 27, 2011, 05:55 PM
Hey Guys,

For a boatload of info on the "gill-guns" (patents, timeline, variations, etc.), take a look at my ongoing stickied database thread in the Savage forum on RFC here:

You are all welcome to post info. on your guns there.

Regards, Hud

March 27, 2011, 06:02 PM
"gill-guns"Oddly enough,my Steven's 87a doesn't have the "gills".

March 27, 2011, 06:13 PM
it is a Savage, they are easily id'd by the vent ribs on the left side of the receiver. They are supposed to fire s,l,lr's, I have bought 2 , in hopes they would. i would so love a semi auto firing a tube full of shorts! But they never do act , with being a jammo matic.
Its not desinged to operate as a semi-auto with shorts or longs, which is why the barrel is stamped "semi-auto with .22 LONG RIFLE only"

March 27, 2011, 06:15 PM

You're right. They didn't all have them.
Early 6's (no letter), early Sears Rangers, & some two patent 87A's didn't.
If you go to the link that I posted, at the bottom of the first post is a link to a spreadsheet (too big to post directly) where you can see all these different features.


March 27, 2011, 07:34 PM
Hud, thanks for all the info on these crazy boogers. I positively love mine, and wouldn't mind getting my hands on a clip fed variant if I can find one for a fair price (last one I saw was in poor condition and the guy wanted $200-250.00).


Jim K
July 29, 2013, 10:36 PM
I am glad that so many folks like those guns and have had no problems. I once swore that the next one to come in the door would get tossed out, along with its owner. In my experience they worked OK until they didn't and it was all downhill from there.


July 30, 2013, 09:19 PM
jbolick055, is that a Savage or a Stevens? I thought the Savages were all model 6's, and Stevens (along with Springfield, J.C. Higgins, Western Fields, et cetera all taking the model designation "87"), though I may be mistaken.

Value is always dependent upon condition, but most of these rifles have had fairly hard lives (in other words: they have been well used) and therefore exhibit a bit of wear. I would estimate that most are worth in the $75-125.00 range, perhaps more if your example happens to be in better condition or a more desirable variant. As far as age, I'm not certain, but the 87A's are an old model probably dating between the late 30's and early 60's if that helps any. I would consult someone more knowledgeable at ( for additional or more accurate information.


July 30, 2013, 11:12 PM

July 31, 2013, 02:05 PM
Montgomery Wards also marketed this model as a Western Field Model 87.

I learned to shoot with this rifle as a toddler in the 1950s since this was my Dad's rifle he owned for quite a long time. His was a removable 10 round magazine model, not tubular like most others I've seen.

I always thought it was a clever design allowing closed-bolt single shot (action required pulling the charge handle straight out and operating like a straight-pull bolt action). I thought it was cool that the bolt stayed open until the trigger was released when shooting in semi-auto mode.

Later on in life I found it strange that other semi-auto .22 rifles I shot didn't do that thinking they all did like the Western Field.

My Dad always worked the triggers of each rifle he owned wanting to smooth them out. He over-did this one a bit and on occasion it would go full auto and empty the magazine right now. It always caught me off guard and I remember the muzzle rising a bit to this day.

After he retired and my folks moved to Oregon he traded it in on a new 10-22. If I had known he was going to do that I would have bought the Western Field from him for the value of the 10-22.

I've got a lot of fun memories of shooting that rifle.


July 31, 2013, 02:24 PM
The round knob on the back of the bolt reminds me of the Japanese service rifles used in WWII.

July 31, 2013, 02:36 PM
Moved question new thread in correct forum.

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