1911 in 9mm Solved?


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schmeky
September 17, 2006, 11:03 AM
I want to acquire a 1911 in 9mm but everything so far is very expensive. I understand the new Taurus 1911 will be available in 9mm. Who is actively stocking these guns and has anyone seen one for sale in 9mm?

The price and the warranty makes this look like the logical choice at this point.

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hexidismal
September 17, 2006, 11:12 AM
Just out of curiousity .. why do you want a 9mm 1911 ? I've wanted to ask someone that for awhile now.

shadco
September 17, 2006, 11:40 AM
Just out of curiousity .. why do you want a 9mm 1911 ? I've wanted to ask someone that for awhile now.

Let's say for example you like the 1911 form factor, ergonomics, and let's say the SA trigger feel, is there anything else out there in 9 format that gives the same?

Let's say you like to shoot a lot it costs around 10 cents a round to shoot decent 9mm factory loads, .45's cost at least 20 cents. same amount of shooting half the cost or twice the range time for the same cost.

Mine

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schmeky
September 17, 2006, 05:21 PM
Shadco,

Couldn't have said it better myself. By the way, that's one SUPER FINE STI you've got there. I love the 1911 platform, feel, trigger pull, etc.

Besides, I don't have a 1911 in 9mm, the best reason of all :neener:

buzz_knox
September 17, 2006, 05:38 PM
Why?

You get all the benefits of the 1911 in a caliber that, for some, is easier to control, can be more accurate (due to flatter trajectory), which is easier to feed, and which is more easily converted to other calibers (for those jurisdictions that restrict the number of firearms one can own).

The only drawback is that 1911 9mms aren't size efficient, but that isn't that much of a detriment really.

robertbank
September 17, 2006, 05:45 PM
I have the 1911 in the 9MM format by way of a STI Trojan. Great platform for a great cartridge. Using the 1911 format offers the shooter with a gun with very little recoi, extremely accurate and inexpensive to shoot. For the IDPA/IPSC shooter or just for plinking a great gun/cartridge combination.

Take Care

Bob

wdlsguy
September 17, 2006, 05:48 PM
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Critical%20Look%20at%20Star%20Model%20BM_files/image034.jpg

Northslope Nimrod
September 21, 2006, 11:47 AM
I too want a 9mm 1911.

BUT, I read in The Rifleman that Taurus will offer it in 9mm...but when I go to the Taurus web site, they only speak of the .45!

Can anyone verify this?
NEVER MIND! I FOUND IT. DO A PISTOL SEARCH FOR 9MM.

RNB65
September 21, 2006, 11:54 AM
Kimber lists a 9mm 1911 in their catalog, but they only make them very rarely and they are hard to find. I would love to have one.

Northslope Nimrod
September 21, 2006, 11:59 AM
I had my hands on a 4" Kimber 9mm in Impact Guns last January. It was on sale for about $650. I know it wasn't any more than that. I was tempted.

I thought they were going to make an ALL STEEL model? I can only see Steel/alloy on their site?
Anyone know anything about that? Looks like their .45's are steel but their 9mm's are steel/alloy.

Chupacabra
September 21, 2006, 12:54 PM
I'd love to have a 9mm 1911. Yeah, it's probably not very size efficient (The Browning Hi-Power is perfect in this regard) but it would make a great range or self-defense gun. Stupidly easy to shoot and the 9mm gets some nice velocity out of a 5" barrel.

BTW...Does anyone make a 1911 in .357Sig that isn't a custom job and costs a boat load of cash? I think that would be LOTS of fun. I know Kimber makes a 38super 1911, but it seems ammo isn't as common as 357Sig.

Geno
September 21, 2006, 12:58 PM
But, I want the Colt 9mm (.38 Super), the FINEST of the fine 1911 9mms. The first, the finest, the goal of all other 1911-wanna-bes.

:D

http://coltsmfg.com/cmci/38Super.asp

Doc2005

HorseSoldier
September 21, 2006, 03:42 PM
Kimber lists a 9mm 1911 in their catalog, but they only make them very rarely and they are hard to find. I would love to have one.

One of my local gun stores that does a lot of Kimber sales routinely stocks at least a couple different models in 9mm. That's where I got my Tac Pro II in 9mm, which has proven to be just a great gun so far.

Exmasonite
September 21, 2006, 03:57 PM
there's also the new Springfield EMP coming out shortly...

www.springfield-armory.com

Shipwreck
September 21, 2006, 04:22 PM
As for the Taurus, realize that the gun was just recently rolled out - It was supposed to be out last year really. They started advertising the thing last fall, at least.

So, it may be some time before U see one in 9mm. probably at least the end of the year, I would imagine. They are probably still knocking out any bugs in the 45 and in their production line.

Shawn M.
September 21, 2006, 04:50 PM
I understand the desire for a 9mm 1911, but my own choice (if I could afford one) would be a Hi Power in 9mm.

HorseSoldier
September 21, 2006, 05:14 PM
I'm a big High Power fan also, but it's not really the same as a 9mm 1911 in a lot of ways that matter (grip dimensions and feel, specifically). It's a fine pistol, but it's not a substitute for a 1911.

Lloyd Smale
September 21, 2006, 06:19 PM
I bought a trojan to shoot ppc with for the lighter recoil. Dont know if it was the ticket for that or not as my scores are just as high with the .45s but its become probably my favorite gun. ITs a ball to shoot its extreamly accurate and dead reliable.

jaysouth
September 21, 2006, 09:42 PM
I shoot 9mm on account of arthritis. I am good for 50 rounds of .45 or 200 rounds of 9mm per day.

I had a full house BHP that I thought was the motherlode of 9s. Then I got my hands on an STI Trojan($800 less than the custom HP). There is no going back to HPs or .45s.

Anybody got a Les Baer 9mm that they want to part company with? I am looking for a Super-tac. Quit holding my breath, but I still hope.

Actually, dollar for dollar the STI may be more gun for the money, but it still ain't a Baer.

Wags
September 21, 2006, 10:25 PM
I own a Colt Combat Commmander (steel frame) 1911 in 9MM and cannot say enough good about it. I am mainly a BHP guy, but this little guy is hefty, great trigger, accurate, easy to operate and the added weight does help on the stoudter loads. I know most think it's under powered for it's size, but majority of 1911 folks would like to own one. They do bring a premium in price over the 45ACP also. I've also found that mine works best with Springfield Armory Metalform magazines.

Skywarp
September 22, 2006, 12:37 AM
Personally the 38 super is more appealing in a 1911 frame.

hso
September 22, 2006, 12:47 AM
Some folks starting out point a 1911 perfectly, but aren't ready for the recoil of a .45. Since no one makes a 9mm that points like a 1911 that isn't a 1911 that leaves people using one of the 9mm 1911s.

That's why a friend of mine just got a Kimber ProCarry II in 9mm. She points a 1911 better than anything else, but wasn't crazy about the recoil so she is using this. And doing very well also. She intends to get a matching .45 and keep the 9mm as well to use as a training gun.

I'm thinking about having a P14 gunsmith frame in the white made up into a 9mm just for fun.

silent one
September 22, 2006, 11:56 AM
I have a Norinco .45 that I converted to .9mm simply by installing a Springfield top end on, and it shoots better than I can. I picked the .9mm set up at a local gun show. It included the barrel, ejector, slide with bushing, and two mags. All I had to do, was change the ejector, and everything else mated perfectly. The best part is, I can convert it back to it's original .45 configuration simply by replacing the original parts, and it's good to go. Two guns for the price of one.;)


"Semper Fi"


SILENT ONE

anthillsinrome
September 22, 2006, 12:08 PM
I'm eager to buy a stainless Taurus PT1911 in 9mm, but haven't seen any around. I'm wondering when they'll start showing up...

el44vaquero
September 22, 2006, 12:47 PM
I just bought a Springfield 1911 9mm Loaded. It's a great shooting pistol. Since they take a .45 barrel blank and machine it out to 9mm, you basically have a heavy 5" barrel to shoot the 9mm out of and it does great! I know I could get double stack 9mms in the same size, but it wouldn't be the 1911 design that I love so much. I enjoy being able to know what's wrong with my pistol and knowing how to fix it, and the 1911 allows me to do that the majority of the time without a trip to the local smitty.

BullfrogKen
September 22, 2006, 06:57 PM
hexidismal said: Just out of curiousity .. why do you want a 9mm 1911 ? I've wanted to ask someone that for awhile now.


Economical
Better at minimizing shooter fatigue in a 1000 rd course
You can convert it to 9x23 (or any 9mm size bore really, like 38 Super) and have a really good firearm/caliber package

Tim Burke
September 23, 2006, 07:36 AM
Lots of logical reasons for a 9mm 1911.
While I carry, train, and usually shoot a 45, my 9mm 1911s are awfully fun.

Newguy1
September 23, 2006, 08:36 AM
I am really interested in a 9mm 1911. I have never shot one, but I do have a several questions?

What is the mag capacity of a 1911 9mm?
Does it use different mags?
Are there any 1911 style 9mm that are scaled down to around 9mm?

Tim Burke
September 23, 2006, 10:53 AM
What is the mag capacity of a 1911 9mm?9(+1)Does it use different mags?Yes.Are there any 1911 style 9mm that are scaled down to around 9mm?I believe the Star Model B would fit that description.

sheffieldshootr
September 23, 2006, 11:05 AM
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/sheffieldshootr/9mmsingleactions-1.jpg

Colt 1991A1 - Stock except for AO express sights (discontinued in 9mm now).

Browning Hi Power - Belgium 1973 year of manufacture - a little surface rust because it rode in a truckers glove compartment for years - excellent internals and bore - price was right.

Star Super B - Just had to have a Star 9mm and these were new in box.

tdyoung58
July 27, 2008, 07:17 PM
Would like a 1911 in 9mm as well, been looking at the kinbers, mainly because I want a 4" barrel



anyone found any information (link) for a Taurus version of one?

M203Sniper
July 28, 2008, 01:22 AM
September 17th, 2006 08:03 AM

Gotta love that search function.


Don't get a Kimber, you'll be disappointed. ($$$) ;)

steelyblue
July 28, 2008, 08:29 AM
I am very dissappointed with my Kimber 9mm. It goes bang like every other Kimber I have. My Kimbers all fail to fail for thousands of rounds. If you don't like them don't buy them. All the reports of guys buying multiple problematic Kimbers just tells me that they have other issues than gun issues. I bought a Springfield lemon and will never own one again. I'm not disappointed with SA, I just learn from my mistakes. I have a Kel Tec that seems to be running perfect too, and a Charles Daly with a Ciener Kit. All these guns have had poor reviews and all are great in my capable hands:cool:

HorseSoldier
July 28, 2008, 12:59 PM
I had a Kimber Tac-Pro II in 9mm for a while. It ran like a top and was ridiculously accurate.

It was made before the current round of internet tarring-and-feathering of Kimber, so maybe it was better than their current production. Or maybe they're current stuff is just as good. I haven't bought anything from them in 3 years or so.

Phil DeGraves
July 28, 2008, 01:10 PM
The 1911 is a great platform. The 9mm is an inexpensive pistol round. What else do you need to know?
Kimber makes several models: Custom II Target (full size)
Aegis (all three sizes)
Tactical Pro (Midsize)
By the way, how much is "too expensive?"
I have a Colt Commander pre 80 series 9mm with night sights, extended thumb safety and beavertail I could be talked out of.

Tom Servo
July 28, 2008, 01:34 PM
In a lightweight frame, I find the 9mm to be a good fit for the 1911. I had a LW Commander in .45 that, despite being similar in weight, had much more muzzle-flip than my Sig P220.

9mm ammo is cheaper these days, and I have no reservations about its effectiveness.

Sure, I love the Hi-Power, but I get slide-bite from it.

My only problem with the current selection of 9mm 1911's is that they all seem to be tricked-out, heavily modified "modernized" guns, like the Aegis and EMP. If I'm getting a 1911, I'd like it to be more traditional.

MagnumDweeb
July 28, 2008, 02:06 PM
I had an Arcus 94C in 9mm(Browning Hi-Power clone) and thought it was a good gun but my cousin had finally become a Florida resident and she got into guns firing it regularly twice a month with me and fell in love with it. She gave exactly what I got it for (trade value) and I thought I wouldn't miss it because "hey it's only a 9mm and I love my .357 snubbies". I also ended up selling my snubby .357 Rossi(she fires .38 special out of it and bought it off me for the value I got it for, for CCW she's bound to get) and now while I love .357 snubbies am planning to pickup another couple this year I miss my 9mm.

I love the 1911 having shot my Uncle's wide array and collection of .45, .38 Super, 9mm(he has three in each frame size and their real tack drivers) and 10mm, and where my revolver love is in snubbies be it .357, .44 magnum(Bounty Hunter 3"), and eventually a .460, the 1911 is my favorite semi-auto. Granted I'll get a Glock in 10mm for capacity, but once I'm out of law school and a working professional I'm going to patronize Fusion Arms for custom kits so I can get an officer in 9mm/38 Super/9x23(get from another setup) and a 10mm in an officer.

The 9mm is not an epic man stopper but in a reliable platform like the 1911, in the hands of a capable and disciplined shooter, it can be a real tack driver to BUG my snubby .357 where steady and reliable accuracy is in greater demand than close-up personal need-that-stopping-power now. Plus 9mm is still significantly cheaper than most any semi-auto round with the exception of the .22lr which really isn't a semi-auto round. And better to get a hundred rounds of practice every two weeks than just 50 of .45.

ElrodCod
July 28, 2008, 04:00 PM
Rock Island Armory announced a 9mm commander at the S.H.O.T. Show. Nobody knows when they'll hit the shelves though.

Vermont
July 28, 2008, 05:20 PM
where are you getting decent factory loaded 9mm for 10 cents a round? That's what I want to know.

BlindJustice
September 3, 2008, 04:59 PM
The Springfield Armory Enhanced Micro Pistol - ENO has been out for
a while. It is a 1911 like platform but it is scaled down in magazine well
longitudinal length for the 9mmx19 & .40 S&W. Although the grip safety to
trigger length of pull is just a little shorter than a 1911, it is also reduced
in width to 1.2" compared to aprox. 1.4 inches for a 1911.
Specs:
Caliber: 9 mm
Capacity: 9 + 1
Barrel: 3"
Sights: 3 dot tritium
Weight: 23 ozs.
OA Length: 6.6"
Height: 4.8"
Trigger Pull: 5 to 6 lbs.
Magazines: 2

It has a forged slide, and alloy frame, frame mounted ambi safety,
skeletoned commander style hammer and trigger w/adj. screw for over travel - beveled mag well, three dot sights, w/tritium nihgt sigths
available. It is dehorned on all edges. The Barrel chamber fully supports
the cartridge case, and the barrel has a long ramp so that there is no frame to rame transition. It has a dual recoil spring captive like an FLGR but a plastic tool is provided to aid des-assembly/assembly. It comes with a holster and double mag pouch.

$1,000

I made the mistake of handling one about 10 days ago - I easily got a full grip with all fingers, which is more than I can say for some compacts.
durn if it hasn't found it's way to the top of my "I want next" list.

Randall

golden
September 5, 2008, 07:47 AM
PARA ORDNANCE makes a Commander size 9m.m. called the LTC. I have not shot it, but I have not heard any complaints about their guns and my SSP was beautifully made.

Jim

fletcher
September 5, 2008, 08:24 AM
Springfield Armory also offers their "loaded" 1911s in 9mm. Very good guns, and run ~$800 new.

krs
September 5, 2008, 09:57 AM
I have two Colt commanders in 9mm, a LW and a combat (steel frame). They're both great.

If I wanted another one I'd likely buy a 38 super Colt and a 9mm barrel to fit up and have both calibers. A nice enhanced lightweight Commander, fit the 9mm barrel, then send the whole kit off to be Birdsonged or Ionbonded pure and completely black. Black gun, black barrel, black, black, black.

It's very simple.

rkamp
September 5, 2008, 05:06 PM
My first hand gun was a 9mm Browning Hi-Power. I soon got into 1911's, and my battery today consists of a 10mm, 22lr, and two 9mm's. My stainless Kimber II is my primary defensive and range pistol. I shot a Hi-Power for the first time in a while the other day and let's just say I am glad to have a couple of reliable and accurate 1911 9mm's in my battery. I like phat butts, but not on a pistol.






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